As you all know, we've been conflicted regarding what to do with it.
It has become the most prominent currency in our game, primarily because of its severely op effects.
Due to its severely op effects, our game is far too easy. This must be fixed, somehow.
However, if we just remove it, the game will take a massive hit as it's no longer wanted, thus destroying the market, as well as causing players to quit for losing their stats and stract they've worked hard for.
Knowing this, I've been trying to think of a fix for months now.
However, nothing I can think of will work to satisfy the majority of the game, causing the least players to quit and fix the 'op'ness of this game.
I have failed. Maybe some of you can help me think of something.
If any of you can find a legit fix and it gets implemented into the game, I will give you any one perm item.
Anything that is not considered staff or obviously you shouldn't have (ie staff set or god parts).
How about you announce you will remove the effect of bs and people have time to change their BS for coins/gigas at a fixed exchange rate ?
Afterwards you can think of a new use for bs.
Ross likes the spend BS on forum for special items idea from the forum shop. (Not in market place.) Just like it used to be a long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long... time ago. Although that requires "special items" and shiz that will take a long time. Sooo Neos seams best although people wont like trading there BS for coins/ gigas when they spend so much time to sell that shiz for BS. Including real money.. Also if you do that it will further increase amount of coins and gigas that you where trying to get rid of.
Put stuff in market for BS. Decent things poeple will want to buy. Idk if it'll work but it's only a suggestion. Or maybe higher stats of things and get rid of BS fully (not meaning alot higher but just a 'tinch' so its not too hard).
Quote from: Rossbach on December 23, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
Ross likes the spend BS on forum for special items idea from the forum shop. (Not in market place.) Just like it used to be a long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long... time ago. Although that requires "special items" and shiz that will take a long time. Sooo Neos seams best although people wont like trading there BS for coins/ gigaz when they spend so much time to sell that shiz for BS. Including real money.. Also if you do that it will further increase amount of coins and gigaz that you where trying to get rid of.
They were trying to get rid of gigas because they lost their worth since BS became the main currency.
Remove the BS and the worth of gigas will increase again.
Of course people will be disappointed but there is no solution which will make everyone happy.
Even though I take benefit of BS since I have 3m, I don't like it because it is so overpowered.
I'd be happy when BS looses his effect, that'd bring a lot of fun back.
Once you hit a certain amount of gigas they become pointless too.. This is a tough one.
third the stat boost gain (from +3000 to +1000)
third that third^ to among all the key stats of the bot type
+333 to EV, SP, and RA for surge
+333 to SP, TG, and TS for ram
+333 to TA, TD, and CRT for patch
or just leave the +3000 statboost and give each keystat +1000
eh i dunno could work
Make it for its original purpose! Adds TG at start of game and TG overall!
1mil = +1.5k TG and start with 75% full Trans bar lul
/sleepy, more later
should also add ammo btw. add some new "powerup" mode for it just not a gruesome one
REMOVE
You can set a lower limit to where the bs stops benefiting a player (as well as curving the stats, if I knew them then I'd have a better suggestion). Something like 1mil BS, that way players who have a ridiculous amount would be more willing to spend them and disperse it into the market.
Alternatively, as previously suggested you could add items either on the main site or within the store in game where players can spend their bs.
The last suggestion is for players like me who aren't quite up to speed with this stuff. Possibly make BS more abundant? Both in PvP and BvB. The only way using them as a currency and allowing most players to get on board is to make them more available.
Change it to add HP, nobody minds a few more HP.
Or just lower the bonuses to 10%.
Make any II skills cost BS and remove the effects. Or make some other coin items cost BS. Don't really know what else to suggest. But I don't think anymore BS should be added.
suggestion 1.
what about make like an upgrade to the bot..
using bs to upgrade stats..
and you can max use like idk 1mill on your bot.
could be cool, then people got different stats.
and could be a use to our bot stracts.
(upgrade: hp, tg, ta, td.. etc..)
and make it be a max stat on each?
suggestion 2.
thinking about it. lol!
1st suggestion: Exchange BS for items? Maybe something rare like health/rebirth pack, Jura trans, Elite sets? Or even membership, for those who have 1mil bs and above gets permanant member? But for those more than 1mil bs and above gets to have extra perm jura, dark meto and stuff. I know this will affect what people will buy on forum but maybe u could make new items or exchange their BS for Gigas and sell things that used to be sold on forum to be paid with USD, Gigas and Coins?
Next suggestion: Make coins not gainable from sector and change BS for coins. This will make coin very valuable and people might trade their BS for coins on forum.
3rd suggestion: Add new items to shop? Like rebirth pack, Guild name-changer or direct combination coupon(make an armour +7 immediately).
4th suggestion: I consider this one special (no insults please ._.) Like let the players have custom armour for bs. Make it look all the same maybe something different from what he have in-game now (eg. metorium set). The stats will be chosen by u and like add-ons requires BS to add. EG. Adding 200 luck to my custom armour cost 20k bs, adding +5 to my armour needs 10k bs and +7 20kbs, naming your armour cost 5k bs.
5th suggestion: Make name-changer available to everyone but at a cost, even if your a member(Paid by bs)
6th suggestion: Like per 1000bs u spent away (trading/gifting not included), you get free 1mil gigas and when theres no more BS in game, gigas will be very valuable.
7th suggestion: Make coin items in shop payable with gigas and BS and durations like Permanant.
8th suggestion: I had one more but I forgot ._.
Edited: 8th was Transferring items, gigas or coins from low to high server at the cost of BS
Hope this helped! :D
-BW Black
I'll think in something and tell you about, Lady Boss...
If I read the thread correctly, I'll suggest:
Make the BS limit: 2.5m, and every 350 BS , 1 bonus stat.
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:03:33 PM
If I read the thread correctly, I'll suggest:
Make the BS limit: 2.5m, and every 350 BS , 1 bonus stat.
no.
i don't think it is gonna be used for stats. :/
Quote from: Mod Robo on December 23, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:03:33 PM
If I read the thread correctly, I'll suggest:
Make the BS limit: 2.5m, and every 350 BS , 1 bonus stat.
no.
i don't think it is gonna be used for stats. :/
Then it will be used for what?
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: Mod Robo on December 23, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:03:33 PM
If I read the thread correctly, I'll suggest:
Make the BS limit: 2.5m, and every 350 BS , 1 bonus stat.
no.
i don't think it is gonna be used for stats. :/
Then it will be used for what?
Thats why she posted this thread.
to find out what to do with it, and see if we had some good suggestions! :P
Quote from: Mod Robo on December 23, 2011, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: Mod Robo on December 23, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Energized on December 23, 2011, 04:03:33 PM
If I read the thread correctly, I'll suggest:
Make the BS limit: 2.5m, and every 350 BS , 1 bonus stat.
no.
i don't think it is gonna be used for stats. :/
Then it will be used for what?
Thats why she posted this thread.
to find out what to do with it, and see if we had some good suggestions! :P
Ohhhhh to find out what to do with the BS, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, silly me, thanks Robo
1. Continue to use BS for stats. Lower the max stats given to like 1/3 though.
2. Open a Botstract only shop on forums. This is sort of like a "GM Shop" in the marketplace that has several hundreds of items that are rare and only purchasable for Botstract. (Or coins, or gigas. whatever you want to flush out of the community.)
3. The name changer should have a botstract fee to use.
4. Botstract for membership? Kinda like the snowball idea but I doubt you'd like it since it'll lose money for you guys. Perhaps 1m BS= 7 Day membership or something?
(A lot of bs would be drained that way and only 7 day membership wouldn't cause you to go bankrupt. People would have a taste of membership like right now and it'll eventually result in them buying a perm membership.)
5. Have an online stat builder that mimics your current bot. Trade in a set amount of botstract for 1 stat point to use for any stat. A stat reset function could also be available also for a certain fee of botstract.
6. Use it for TG like tricky said.
7. Allow a fixed amount of botstract to be added to your account per PvP kill. Amount of botstract= Person killed's level.
This will almost completely kill botstract farmers who farm on lv1 accounts. And auto-add it to the person who killed you (I guess not pushed) so in chat it says "Allie has gotten 150 botstract for killing Admin Santa" or something. No Botstract hogs can take it if it's your kill, and farming would die.
All these suggestions could be added all at once, since I don't think any of the overlap. (or they do, correct me.)
Use it as currency for some items that are worth bs. Make the max bs 1m, giving the thats of extra 1k. (1k = 1 stat) For the extra bs people have, will have no effect and can only be used into currency. (for shop items)
EDIT: While it's still out in the shop, replace the Christmas shield/shoulder with bs. 50k bs each.
Just gonna say this. Items aren't to be replaced with BS cause no items which is NOT OP can replace the OP'ness of BS. There is also so much bs that those items will become overused.
1)
Add a feature that can upgrade a part in an extra tab in the shop?
The user could upgrade, say, gun damage by "x" amount of points (gun damage in this case, TG if it was a ram arm or such). To upgrade the part, you have to stick it in a certain slot in said extra slot and insert, for example, 1000 bot stract for one use of the "upgrader".
Each time you try to upgrade, the amount of points changes randomly so it could go lower. (to reduce the bs amount even further, make it difficult to get a high value item.) You can keep doing this until you create a good item.
This could burn the bs quickly and also, if a good part is made and sold, it could reduce the hefty amount of gigas everyone has.
2) when playing a game, pvp or otherwise, have a tick box in the lobby saying "I wish to use bs". However, since this is advantageous to you, have it take off a percentage of the bs (or a fixed number) everytime you play.
This way, the game should be fair because greedy people who want to keep bs make -for example- sector games the difficulty they should be, without the additional power of the bs. But also, those who aren't and wish to use the bs in the desired game mode, lose bot stract. In a situation such as an intense pvp match, playing with bs would cost them bs.
Hm?
Quote from: antisickness on December 23, 2011, 08:22:08 PM
2) when playing a game, pvp or otherwise, have a tick box in the lobby saying "I wish to use bs". However, since this is advantageous to you, have it take off a percentage of the bs (or a fixed number) everytime you play.
i like ;o
There is absolutely no way to keep everyone happy. I feel the admins / gms should decide this amongst themselves. I know the reason why this thread was posted was for help from the community but, no member of the community can decide something like this. Something like this should be decided on what staff thinks is best.
Quote from: asmit10 on December 23, 2011, 08:35:26 PM
There is absolutely no way to keep everyone happy. I feel the admins / gms should decide this amongst themselves. I know the reason why this thread was posted was for help from the community but, no member of the community can decide something like this. Something like this should be decided on what staff thinks is best.
We don't decide, we just give some ideas.
The final decision will still be made by staff members.
Quote from: antisickness on December 23, 2011, 08:22:08 PM2) when playing a game, pvp or otherwise, have a tick box in the lobby saying "I wish to use bs". However, since this is advantageous to you, have it take off a percentage of the bs (or a fixed number) everytime you play.
This way, the game should be fair because greedy people who want to keep bs make -for example- sector games the difficulty they should be, without the additional power of the bs. But also, those who aren't and wish to use the bs in the desired game mode, lose bot stract. In a situation such as an intense pvp match, playing with bs would cost them bs.
Hm?
good!
Quote from: Mod Robo on December 23, 2011, 03:30:38 PM
suggestion 1.
what about make like an upgrade to the bot..
using bs to upgrade stats..
and you can max use like idk 1mill on your bot.
could be cool, then people got different stats.
and could be a use to our bot stracts.
(upgrade: hp, tg, ta, td.. etc..)
and make it be a max stat on each?
suggestion 2.
thinking about it. lol!
I loove it.
make Bs Can be Upgrade A (+) Of Parts,,,
Quote from: ReSigNeRs on December 24, 2011, 03:42:37 PM
make Bs Can be Upgrade A (+) Of Parts,,,
I was gonna suggest this too but then the combination coupon is useless.
name changer costs bs
costs bs to get membership
have like a once in a lifetime chance to get rare stuff again like 14 day kowbat which costs like 1m bs each
Quote from: Pokeh on December 24, 2011, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: ReSigNeRs on December 24, 2011, 03:42:37 PM
make Bs Can be Upgrade A (+) Of Parts,,,
I was gonna suggest this too but then the combination coupon is useless.
aw
Bs for Upgrade The Stats Of Parts
Example: lvl 1 mohawk head has 27 efect of special trans, With bs we can upgrade the effect, from 27> 28/29/3/......
But still Dont Know For each 1 number,,,
Soryy,, bad english, u know me
Nah, Removed items like RB and HP packs + other rare items should only be the items sold for BS.
u can make like hp and rb packs in shop have to buy with bs and the more bs ppl have the harder the lvl is in sector. Also in pvp idk how tht would work for pvp but just a suggestion
Quote from: sasuke6548 on December 24, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
the more bs ppl have the harder the lvl is in sector.
THIS!! If you have tons of BS the game should be more difficult for those hardcore gamers like Ross.
Every 500k bs = 2x more difficult? idk,
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 24, 2011, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: sasuke6548 on December 24, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
the more bs ppl have the harder the lvl is in sector.
THIS!! If you have tons of BS the game should be more difficult for those hardcore gamers like Ross.
Every 500k bs = 2x more difficult? idk,
Gift it to a noob account or to yourself and relog.
Holy shit guy's c'mon D:
I get that the Botstract makes like 15 people in the game wayyy OP, but there are plenty of OP weapons and armor as it is. I think the fact that you can become OP if you put enough time into the game is what sets BoutCheetah apart from the other servers...
lol, remove
First of all,remove stats
Sell rares for bs
500k an item,more or less
Make perm items or 5 years items and make put it on shop for bs and + a few more stats to the item
Make OFFICIAL events and each person/100k,50k bs to join+collect chest to win rares
New items that are boosts,eg:100k bs for +100tg(30day boost)
3m bs = 1k extra stats. (3k = +1 stat)
Lower Dark Meto's damage back to 200. (Since it is majority used for OPness)
With the damage as 200, and the extra 1k stat, damage would be about 1.2k.
/ithink
Quote from: Toast on December 25, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
3m bs = 1k extra stats. (3k = +1 stat)
Lower Dark Meto's damage back to 200. (Since it is majority used for OPness)
With the damage as 200, and the extra 1k stat, damage would be about 1.2k.
/ithink
dislike.
Without BS dark metos dmg would be fine.
Or keep it the way it is but lower the dmg of dark meto to 200/250.
or remove bs
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
or remove bs
Quote from: Allie on December 23, 2011, 02:02:29 PMHowever, if we just remove it, the game will take a massive hit as it's no longer wanted, thus destroying the market, as well as causing players to quit for losing their stats and stract they've worked hard for.
if there's so much bs around it means its easy to get, as someone important said; if it's so easy to get so much bs then player didnt have to work very hard for them; bs can be removed, game can be fine and we'd have less new***s around which would make the game even more enjoyable for everyone
Remove the BS
If you have 1k bs, then it will change to 2mil gigas.
like if you have 1 mil BS then it will change to 2 bill gigas or 200 mil gigas
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 02:22:58 PM
if there's so much bs around it means its easy to get, as someone important said; if it's so easy to get so much bs then player didnt have to work very hard for them; bs can be removed, game can be fine and we'd have less new***s around which would make the game even more enjoyable for everyone
It was easily obtainable back then now the only way you'll get it fast is if you buy it for a high ratio and large quantity.
Also if you reduce DM people would rage cuz they also bought it for real money.
****.
lol im not even staff so i wont give a fak and watch what happens 8)
no seriously apply real life stuff to bc: when governments want to avoid something, they make it so people are discouraged from doing a certain thing; for example, in my country if you want to park your car in most visited zones of the main cities you gotta pay for the parking. this encourages people to use public transport/bikes/motorcycles.
my 5min idea for bs is: introduce a currecny that is even more worthy than bs and will last for a very small time, for example "BP - bonus points" 1000 bs = 1 BP; to get BPs you must trade a sum of bs via forum. BP add a shitload of stats and overpower the game more than bs. people will try to get those BPs like crazy and will give out all the bs; this way the game becomes much more op for a small time, as soon as most bs are out of the market you remove bs and bp both. it would also encourage players to play while those bp are up to get boosts for example more gp more levels more membership day orsomething. or you just remove bs lel
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
lol im not even staff so i wont give a fak and watch what happens 8)
no seriously apply real life stuff to bc: when governments want to avoid something, they make it so people are discouraged from doing a certain thing; for example, in my country if you want to park your car in most visited zones of the main cities you gotta pay for the parking. this encourages people to use public transport/bikes/motorcycles.
my 5min idea for bs is: introduce a currecny that is even more worthy than bs and will last for a very small time, for example "BP - bonus points" 1000 bs = 1 BP; to get BPs you must trade a sum of bs via forum. BP add a shitload of stats and overpower the game more than bs. people will try to get those BPs like crazy and will give out all the bs; this way the game becomes much more op for a small time, as soon as most bs are out of the market you remove bs and bp both. it would also encourage players to play while those bp are up to get boosts for example more gp more levels more membership day orsomething. or you just remove bs lel
This is basically the same like removing BS .-.
Quote from: NeoKiller on December 25, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
lol im not even staff so i wont give a fak and watch what happens 8)
no seriously apply real life stuff to bc: when governments want to avoid something, they make it so people are discouraged from doing a certain thing; for example, in my country if you want to park your car in most visited zones of the main cities you gotta pay for the parking. this encourages people to use public transport/bikes/motorcycles.
my 5min idea for bs is: introduce a currecny that is even more worthy than bs and will last for a very small time, for example "BP - bonus points" 1000 bs = 1 BP; to get BPs you must trade a sum of bs via forum. BP add a shitload of stats and overpower the game more than bs. people will try to get those BPs like crazy and will give out all the bs; this way the game becomes much more op for a small time, as soon as most bs are out of the market you remove bs and bp both. it would also encourage players to play while those bp are up to get boosts for example more gp more levels more membership day orsomething. or you just remove bs lel
This is basicly the same like removing BS .-.
What he said.
Quote from: Adamp on December 25, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: NeoKiller on December 25, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
lol im not even staff so i wont give a fak and watch what happens 8)
no seriously apply real life stuff to bc: when governments want to avoid something, they make it so people are discouraged from doing a certain thing; for example, in my country if you want to park your car in most visited zones of the main cities you gotta pay for the parking. this encourages people to use public transport/bikes/motorcycles.
my 5min idea for bs is: introduce a currecny that is even more worthy than bs and will last for a very small time, for example "BP - bonus points" 1000 bs = 1 BP; to get BPs you must trade a sum of bs via forum. BP add a shitload of stats and overpower the game more than bs. people will try to get those BPs like crazy and will give out all the bs; this way the game becomes much more op for a small time, as soon as most bs are out of the market you remove bs and bp both. it would also encourage players to play while those bp are up to get boosts for example more gp more levels more membership day orsomething. or you just remove bs lel
This is basicly the same like removing BS .-.
What he said.
so i thought this thread was about how to avoid bs to ruin the game, that metod is a bit messy but lighter for people who bought bs and stuff (another great idea!) rather than just removing bs lel
but then wen BP (Battle Points) are removed then people will rage
I suggest making an admin shop to get items cool items. To get these items you would have to pay bot-stract.
Items that can only be gotten with bot-stract.
I still like the idea of them running out as you play, faster than you can obtain them yourself.
Just take it away and tell everyone it was an accident. and can't be un-done
Sounds good.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 25, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Just take it away and tell everyone it was an accident. and can't be un-done
Sounds good.
LOL. **** the shop im with z on dis. 8)
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 25, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Just take it away and tell everyone it was an accident. and can't be un-done
Sounds good.
+1.
Bot stract buys you power ups.. like the ability to have a higher chance percentage of bombs in the game.. or higher chance percentage of trans up and so on.. ?
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 25, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Just take it away and tell everyone it was an accident. and can't be un-done
Sounds good.
lol. Too bad most people with a lot of bs forum.
shop idea is fkn retarded, BC has enough OP rares in-game.. i think theres like 5 perm juras already >.< + more
Quote from: Pokeh on December 25, 2011, 05:38:35 PM
but then wen BP (Battle Points) are removed then people will rage
people will know bp are going to be removed before bp are introduced in the game
Quote from: iwasbobo on December 25, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
I still like the idea of them running out as you play, faster than you can obtain them yourself.
this good idea
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 25, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Just take it away and tell everyone it was an accident. and can't be un-done
Sounds good.
this very good idea
Quote from: Iridion on December 25, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
or remove bs
best idea
make bs trade-able for gp/exp
fastest way to drain it.
but imo the game has a lot of unbalanced variables
some stuff's prices are wack while other stuff is really cheap
admins should re-think everything and balance them out and slowly migrate by exchanging stuff from the op version of the game to the stable version
Quote from: mo9 on December 26, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
make bs trade-able for gp/exp
fastest way to drain it.
but imo the game has a lot of unbalanced variables
some stuff's prices are wack while other stuff is really cheap
admins should re-think everything and balance them out and slowly migrate by exchanging stuff from the op version of the game to the stable version
I actually like the exp thingy. But the GP.. The richest guild would beat the hardest working guild.
Quote from: iwasbobo on December 25, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
I still like the idea of them running out as you play, faster than you can obtain them yourself.
This is the best idea I've ever heard.
Make it use, say, 1% of your current botstract to fuel your extra bonuses per game.
That is, for example, if you have 3,000,000 botstract entering a game, you'll lose 1% of it, making your botstract 2,970,000 after the game.
Quote from: Allie on December 26, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: iwasbobo on December 25, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
I still like the idea of them running out as you play, faster than you can obtain them yourself.
This is the best idea I've ever heard.
Make it use, say, 1% of your current botstract to fuel your extra bonuses per game.
That is, for example, if you have 3,000,000 botstract entering a game, you'll lose 1% of it, making your botstract 2,970,000 after the game.
That's what I thought in the first place. But 1% is extreme. But I would rather have it removed than using up the BS.
Quote from: Allie on December 26, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: iwasbobo on December 25, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
I still like the idea of them running out as you play, faster than you can obtain them yourself.
This is the best idea I've ever heard.
Make it use, say, 1% of your current botstract to fuel your extra bonuses per game.
That is, for example, if you have 3,000,000 botstract entering a game, you'll lose 1% of it, making your botstract 2,970,000 after the game.
It should only be for the losers, so if someone won they would still have their own bot-stract.
No Selene.
Well, it IS fuel, do it I say
yeahhh @ selene
what if they have 0 bs?
and what if they lose the sector game?
also 1% does seem a lot considering you'll lose 3mil botstract in only 100 games :/
Maybe a fixed amount is taken off. 1 bs if your lv 1. 200 bs if your lv 200.
also depending on what map your doing. if it's lv 55 you lose 55 botstract?
PvP you win the botstract= to the person killed's level. and they obviously lose that much bs.
Quote from: Pokeh on December 26, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
yeahhh @ selene
what if they have 0 bs?
and what if they lose the sector game?
also 1% does seem a lot considering you'll lose 3mil botstract in only 100 games :/
Maybe a fixed amount is taken off. 1 bs if your lv 1. 200 bs if your lv 200.
also depending on what map your doing. if it's lv 55 you lose 55 botstract?
PvP you win the botstract= to the person killed's level. and they obviously lose that much bs.
You don't lose 1% of 3Million....you idiot.
Game 1 you have 3,000,000 stract.
You lose 1%.
At the end you now have 2,970,000.
Game 2 you have 2,970,000.
You lost 1%.
At the end you now have 2,940,300. You only lost 29700.
Now let's say you have 42345 stract. You'll have 41922 at the end, because you only lost 1%, which is 423 stract.
Take away bs completely and those who aren't power whores will stay
Quote from: KillerPig on December 26, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Take away bs completely and those who aren't power whores will stay
Most of koreans and newcomers who barely got any bs.
Quote from: Pokeh on December 26, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
yeahhh @ selene
what if they have 0 bs?
and what if they lose the sector game?
also 1% does seem a lot considering you'll lose 3mil botstract in only 100 games :/
Maybe a fixed amount is taken off. 1 bs if your lv 1. 200 bs if your lv 200.
also depending on what map your doing. if it's lv 55 you lose 55 botstract?
PvP you win the botstract= to the person killed's level. and they obviously lose that much bs.
You won't lose it in 100 games. 1% of the amount every time.
Example: 3m bs - 30k = 2.97k - 29,7k = 2,94m.
But I agree with 1% being too much.
And addition to when you use it as fuel, if you have no bs, then your bot will get progessingly slower in the sector games. Also, it can increase the population for pvp when people have no fuel.
If you have 3m bs you loose 30k bs in 1 game, that's exagerated :o
30k bs is kinda a lot. Losing it in 1 min for clearing a map ?
I'd just wouldn't sector anymore...
Quote from: Toast on December 26, 2011, 07:27:54 PM
And addition to when you use it as fuel, if you have no bs, then your bot will get progessingly slower in the sector games. Also, it can increase the population for pvp when people have no fuel.
You would force grinders like me and Keum to pvp. I would rather quit. You would also have to play a looooot of pvp just to get enough to play 1 map..
Quote from: mhj on December 26, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Toast on December 26, 2011, 07:27:54 PM
And addition to when you use it as fuel, if you have no bs, then your bot will get progessingly slower in the sector games. Also, it can increase the population for pvp when people have no fuel.
You would force grinders like me and Keum to pvp. I would rather quit. You would also have to play a looooot of pvp just to get enough to play 1 map..
So what would happen if no-one had bs anymore? Might as well just give up your bs if it's gonna be removed anyways.
If this ever happened, I would just put my bot-stract on a different account.
Quote from: Toast on December 26, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: mhj on December 26, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Toast on December 26, 2011, 07:27:54 PM
And addition to when you use it as fuel, if you have no bs, then your bot will get progessingly slower in the sector games. Also, it can increase the population for pvp when people have no fuel.
You would force grinders like me and Keum to pvp. I would rather quit. You would also have to play a looooot of pvp just to get enough to play 1 map..
So what would happen if no-one had bs anymore? Might as well just give up your bs if it's gonna be removed anyways.
Quoteyour bot will get progessingly slower in the sector games. Also, it can increase the population for pvp when people have no fuel
Thats the part I hate if you in anyhow didn't understand that.
Quote from: Selene on December 26, 2011, 07:33:56 PM
If this ever happened, I would just put my bot-stract on a different account.
Precisely.
Having massive op stats comes with a price of a massive fuel consumption.
you ****ing gun 3000s without hacking, do you expect to lose as much as a person who hits 500s does?If you wanna retain your hitting 3000s, you must be able to obtain the fuel. Stract prices will rise, people will PvP more, the overall opness of the game drops as stract is slowly depleted.
imo you people who say the price of 1% is way too much just rely on your stract too much. You're the ones who can't play without it.
And furthermore, this is a discussion thread. I didn't say it's being implemented, I'm looking on ways this can be enhanced and worked on.
If you have a different suggestion go ahead and suggest it, but I'm pretty sure this will be implemented, I really like this idea.
Does that apply to all game modes ?
I have 3m bs and I would prefer just removing it lol
As long as noone has BS I don't care having it, too.
Quote from: Allie on December 26, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Quote from: Pokeh on December 26, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
yeahhh @ selene
what if they have 0 bs?
and what if they lose the sector game?
also 1% does seem a lot considering you'll lose 3mil botstract in only 100 games :/
Maybe a fixed amount is taken off. 1 bs if your lv 1. 200 bs if your lv 200.
also depending on what map your doing. if it's lv 55 you lose 55 botstract?
PvP you win the botstract= to the person killed's level. and they obviously lose that much bs.
You don't lose 1% of 3Million....you idiot.
Game 1 you have 3,000,000 stract.
You lose 1%.
At the end you now have 2,970,000.
Game 2 you have 2,970,000.
You lost 1%.
At the end you now have 2,940,300. You only lost 29700.
Now let's say you have 42345 stract. You'll have 41922 at the end, because you only lost 1%, which is 423 stract.
Ah, well. Regardless 1% is too much. This is coming from the guy that came back to BC when getting BS was hard. I don't have any OP gun's or anything either, and only about 250k stract.
But the main reason behind this is to kill bs in the community. And soo I guess it seems fair.
Though we need a more complicated system for PvP. You win, you don't lose any stract. Losers lose the stract= to their level automatically to who killed them rather than picking up stract manually. Suggested this before i think like 3 times so im sure you get what i'm saying even tho i make no sense right now :/
Also, low % chance of stract dropping in sector/base?
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Quote from: Pokeh on December 23, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
1. Continue to use BS for stats. Lower the max stats given to like 1/3 though.
2. Open a Botstract only shop on forums. This is sort of like a "GM Shop" in the marketplace that has several hundreds of items that are rare and only purchasable for Botstract. (Or coins, or gigas. whatever you want to flush out of the community.)
3. The name changer should have a botstract fee to use.
4. Botstract for membership? Kinda like the snowball idea but I doubt you'd like it since it'll lose money for you guys. Perhaps 1m BS= 7 Day membership or something?
(A lot of bs would be drained that way and only 7 day membership wouldn't cause you to go bankrupt. People would have a taste of membership like right now and it'll eventually result in them buying a perm membership.)
5. Have an online stat builder that mimics your current bot. Trade in a set amount of botstract for 1 stat point to use for any stat. A stat reset function could also be available also for a certain fee of botstract.
6. Use it for TG like tricky said.
7. Allow a fixed amount of botstract to be added to your account per PvP kill. Amount of botstract= Person killed's level.
This will almost completely kill botstract farmers who farm on lv1 accounts. And auto-add it to the person who killed you (I guess not pushed) so in chat it says "Allie has gotten 150 botstract for killing Admin Santa" or something. No Botstract hogs can take it if it's your kill, and farming would die.
All these suggestions could be added all at once, since I don't think any of the overlap. (or they do, correct me.)
being an attention whore reposting ideas but;
Stract can have mutiple uses so it could drain even faster. Almost 100% sure most of them can be implemented.
Quote from: NeoKiller on December 26, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
I have 3m bs and I would prefer just removing it lol
As long as noone has BS I don't care having it, too.
Yeah. I feel completely the same way. But people will quit if we just remove it.
This is like a slow progress for removing BS from game imo.
How do you gain BS in sector if the 1% idea was implemented?
Quote from: Pokeh on December 26, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
coming from the guy that came back to BC when getting BS was hard.
meh
Quote from: 123bomb123 on December 26, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
How do you gain BS in sector if the 1% idea was implemented?
You don't.
Either from PvP or other players.
That said, in the current system it'd be a better idea to not play with your bot stract in pvp so you can gain more than you lose.
That way being op in PvP comes with a price.
Even though i don't play much, here are some suggestions for the usage of BS.
The BS effects can be changed to that of increasing the possibility hitting the max dmg. What do i mean?
Eg. my dmg range is from 1 to 8. With more BS, there will be a higher chance of hitting 8 dmg for my hits and not 1 dmg instead. The max probability will be capped at a certain amount of BS so that max damage would not be dealt 100% of the time. This is to give it a bit of variety.
The second effect would be the charging up of the trans bar at the start of the game.
Eg. At X amount of BS, the trans bar charges up at a 105% rate instead of the usual 100 during the start of the game. However, after the player transes and detranses again. The trans bar will revert back to normal and it will not charge up at a faster rate. Thus the effect is of 1 time use per match only. There will be a limit placed of course.
A way for you to Drain BS
Maybe BS can also be used as a means of leveling up. When i say that, i do not mean trading BS for exp though.
Eg. You are lvl 7 and to reach lvl 8 , you need 15 exp. After sectoring, you gained 30 exp. Although your exp is that of a lvl 8, however you are still a lvl 7. You can't wear lvl 8 equipments unless you pay a certain amount of BS, where the amount could be X. X will be the square of the level. Thus as you want to level up higher, you will need to pay more BS in order for you to wear higher leveled equips.
I feel that with the change of effectsof BS, it will not be too op/game changing. But because it is a requirement for leveling up, it would still be valued although not as high as before. thanks if you read everything.
Remove the usual bs effects and place a new one which gives 2x exp for a certain amount of bs in a certain amount of games. Maybe only 1.5x.
Release kowbat in shop for 100k bs each and do 1% gameplay fee
hmm,
1.what you could do is lower the rewards for completing levels for those who have more bs. So those who have 3 mil bs are more effective but will get less xp/gigas/coins/gp. This will make people not want to use bs while still having it kept within the game.
2. Reduce the effectiveness of worn items/lower non bs improved stats dependant on how much bs you have. So you may have op stats in one aspect (e.g. gun damage for a surge) but will be incredibely weak in others due to your reduced stats. This would help balance out the OP-ness of stract by making you strong in one place but weak in others.
I Didn't Read Any Of The Suggestions .. Cuz There Is 7 Pages :D ..But I Will Suggest Somthing idk if Anyone Suggested it before .. i suggest to make some special items in the shop sold only for bs .. which will lower the bs of alot of players who search for specia items .. and maybe you can offer the people who have bs an exhange you give them example : you give them 2 mill gigas or 200k coins for some bs .. i think that would be helpful too .. & make some some featurs avaiable only for people who have 100k bs and better featurs for people have 200k bs and so on the highe feature will cost the best it will be .. soo people will seek for the best featurs so that they will pay the best they can :) .. i hope i was helpful with my suggestion.
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Quote from: Pokeh on December 23, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
1. Continue to use BS for stats. Lower the max stats given to like 1/3 though.
2. Open a Botstract only shop on forums. This is sort of like a "GM Shop" in the marketplace that has several hundreds of items that are rare and only purchasable for Botstract. (Or coins, or gigas. whatever you want to flush out of the community.)
3. The name changer should have a botstract fee to use.
4. Botstract for membership? Kinda like the snowball idea but I doubt you'd like it since it'll lose money for you guys. Perhaps 1m BS= 7 Day membership or something?
(A lot of bs would be drained that way and only 7 day membership wouldn't cause you to go bankrupt. People would have a taste of membership like right now and it'll eventually result in them buying a perm membership.)
5. Have an online stat builder that mimics your current bot. Trade in a set amount of botstract for 1 stat point to use for any stat. A stat reset function could also be available also for a certain fee of botstract.
6. Use it for TG like tricky said.
7. Allow a fixed amount of botstract to be added to your account per PvP kill. Amount of botstract= Person killed's level.
This will almost completely kill botstract farmers who farm on lv1 accounts. And auto-add it to the person who killed you (I guess not pushed) so in chat it says "Allie has gotten 150 botstract for killing Admin Santa" or something. No Botstract hogs can take it if it's your kill, and farming would die.
All these suggestions could be added all at once, since I don't think any of the overlap. (or they do, correct me.)
Suggestions 2 & 7 should be implemented.
Just make it so that all the special items (transform coupon,combine coupon,guild expand) cost bs and put the super doubler up in the shop for like 1mil bs... also u could try making an exchange thing up on the website so that u can exchange u bs for high amounts of coins and gigas?? You could also try putting +5-7 armor in the shop for bs... make a special shield that costs lots of bs but amzing stats and its perm... You can try putting event items on the shop for a high amount of bs.
Thats all i can come up with for now if i think of anything new ill post.
Good luck allie on decreasing amount of bs in the cyberspace of bout cheetah.
~AO Light
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 28, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Pokeh on December 23, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
1. Continue to use BS for stats. Lower the max stats given to like 1/3 though.
2. Open a Botstract only shop on forums. This is sort of like a "GM Shop" in the marketplace that has several hundreds of items that are rare and only purchasable for Botstract. (Or coins, or gigas. whatever you want to flush out of the community.)
3. The name changer should have a botstract fee to use.
4. Botstract for membership? Kinda like the snowball idea but I doubt you'd like it since it'll lose money for you guys. Perhaps 1m BS= 7 Day membership or something?
(A lot of bs would be drained that way and only 7 day membership wouldn't cause you to go bankrupt. People would have a taste of membership like right now and it'll eventually result in them buying a perm membership.)
5. Have an online stat builder that mimics your current bot. Trade in a set amount of botstract for 1 stat point to use for any stat. A stat reset function could also be available also for a certain fee of botstract.
6. Use it for TG like tricky said.
7. Allow a fixed amount of botstract to be added to your account per PvP kill. Amount of botstract= Person killed's level.
This will almost completely kill botstract farmers who farm on lv1 accounts. And auto-add it to the person who killed you (I guess not pushed) so in chat it says "Allie has gotten 150 botstract for killing Admin Santa" or something. No Botstract hogs can take it if it's your kill, and farming would die.
All these suggestions could be added all at once, since I don't think any of the overlap. (or they do, correct me.)
Suggestions 2 & 7 should be implemented.
THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING
Quote from: Pokeh on December 31, 2011, 04:07:11 AM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 28, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Pokeh on December 23, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
1. Continue to use BS for stats. Lower the max stats given to like 1/3 though.
2. Open a Botstract only shop on forums. This is sort of like a "GM Shop" in the marketplace that has several hundreds of items that are rare and only purchasable for Botstract. (Or coins, or gigas. whatever you want to flush out of the community.)
3. The name changer should have a botstract fee to use.
4. Botstract for membership? Kinda like the snowball idea but I doubt you'd like it since it'll lose money for you guys. Perhaps 1m BS= 7 Day membership or something?
(A lot of bs would be drained that way and only 7 day membership wouldn't cause you to go bankrupt. People would have a taste of membership like right now and it'll eventually result in them buying a perm membership.)
5. Have an online stat builder that mimics your current bot. Trade in a set amount of botstract for 1 stat point to use for any stat. A stat reset function could also be available also for a certain fee of botstract.
6. Use it for TG like tricky said.
7. Allow a fixed amount of botstract to be added to your account per PvP kill. Amount of botstract= Person killed's level.
This will almost completely kill botstract farmers who farm on lv1 accounts. And auto-add it to the person who killed you (I guess not pushed) so in chat it says "Allie has gotten 150 botstract for killing Admin Santa" or something. No Botstract hogs can take it if it's your kill, and farming would die.
All these suggestions could be added all at once, since I don't think any of the overlap. (or they do, correct me.)
Suggestions 2 & 7 should be implemented.
THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING
yea lets add some rare op items to the market so we can replace bs opness with items opness!
I got 3 steps to fixing it :D
1)
How about instead of bs being earnt through PvP, make it earn through dedication to the game. For example, it will be say 100 bot stract (or whatever) per day you sign in (have it work only once per ip address), and then after a week increase the daily income to 150, and so on. This will promote activeness to the game and more people will be 'forced' to play it to get their bot stract. This will stop bot stract farming, and it will mean the more bot stract a person has reflects their loyalty and dedication to the game.
2)
Next, a lot of the bot stract needs to be flushed out of the game.First, quite simply, everytime bot stract changes hand, someone buys something off another player, a specific amount of 'commission' is paid. For example, everytime someone trades/gifts bs, 20% of it will go. This not only gets rid of bot stract, but revives the economy by increasing prices. Next, simply set up a forum shop where you can buy gigas/coins for bot stract. This is a method of slowly taking bot stract out of the game. Personally, I think doing this is best, and if you were to do anything too major with bs, many people would quit the game, so simply slowly draining the bs is the safest and most secure method. I think this is a problem that will take time to fix, and there is no solution to fix it overnight.
3)
The final problem is the 'op' ness of things, thanks to the stat boosts. Nothing drastic can be put into place here, as it will once again scare away players. Remove the current stat boosts, as I find there is no solution that can be implemented by keeping this. My 2 solutions are:
1) As grim (i think) suggested, it could be used for hp boosts for all 3 bot types, although this might devalue the differences between them (if you get what i mean)
2) They affect what each bot type is mainly known for. Firstly, each bot type gets a multiplier of their current stat x their level. By this I mean:
Lvl 1 surge = base stat of - 1 x 10gun damage
Lvl 200 surge = base stat of - 200 x 10gun damage
Lvl 1 ram = base stat of - 1 x 10 trans gauge
..and so on (patch having ta)
This intensifies people to buy membership, for stat boosts. Then, bot stract affects each bot type directly, like the current system does. It will work like this:
Botstract on a surge effects their speed
Botstract on a patch effects their attack (basic)
Botstract on a ram effects their attack (trans) (NOT TRANS BOT ATTACK)
This is because surge is know for the speedy sort of bot, ram is the long trans bot, so it has higher damage as a trans, and patch is sort of the strong, ground mercenary, so it has higher basic attack. The effects of the bs on these won't be enough to overpower them, but enough to make a difference and inspire the gameplay
I hope you like my ideas and they may be implemented into the game, or if you dislike any steps of my 3 step solution feel free just to use the ones you think will work. Thanks..
~Socks
@iri: rare items don't necessarily have to be op noob
yes they do ):<
can someone tell me what is bad/potential flaws about my idea? (at top)
thanks.
/Stated on MSN with Allie, bonus BS drops when a person on the blue team kills some one on the red and vice versa. Or something along the lines.