[NeoKiller]

Please read before ticking an answer.
There was this match in the tourney Galacti vs Razor7.
Galacti won the first round, Razor the 2nd thus it was 1-1.
The 3rd one started and after 20 secs galacti said "brb i need surge for this" and suicided.
He was at 75% health and Razor was at 85% health (tho he took a hp pack).

There are some things to consider.
Galacti was a lvl 200 ram with metorium (ele +5) and Razor a lvl 221 Surge with ele +7.
Razor had a hp advantage in the match which he looses when it gets restarted since they both start at 100% again which makes it kind of unfair.
However isn't the tourney about to find out who's the best and not about who gets as far as possible because of a disqualification ?

So, what do you guys think?
Should galacti receive another chance or should Razor7 win by disqualification?

[Scythe]

In my opinion yes but he should have suicided after getting a confirmation of his opponent,take a screenshot of him agreeing

[Allie]

1. Metorium and Elektra have same HP, I voted for the following without even knowing that there was no hp disbalance whatsoever caused by level, but if there were, than by decision of galacti.

2. No, I voted that there should be no rematch because galacti knew he'd be playing as a ram when he hit the ready button. Because it was an official match, suicide is a form of submitting in defeat; which in this case results in a point on the other side (2-1).

3. I can see the other side of the argument, so you need not debate me. He decided he needs to power up, but choosing whilst in the midst of a fight was his downfall - he had plenty of time before he hit that ready button to figure "Hmm, in the last two games it would have been beneficial if I was surge, so maybe I should go surge." Instead, he waited until he got nervous in the last game (in which he was losing, if he wasn't afraid of losing [submitting defeat] he would not have committed suicide mid-game) to decide it'd be beneficial to be a surge.

Not my choice to decide, but the only reason it would get a do-over is because of who galacti is. That's my honest opinion.

[Yz]

Trying my best to not appear bias (eg not even making the decision myself) buuut he frapsed the fight, you were 85, nearly yellow, and that's after taking a HP. Just saying THAT part's wrong.

Galacti isn't getting special treatment, this is the first time stuff's like this has happened and I'm getting opinions for a decision.

[Corr]

I don't know who Galacti is so I'm just gonna say this:

Razor had overwhelming advantage to begin with, HP + the fact that surges always start off better due to speed (You never see a patch/ram have an advantage in the beginning of a match, only in the middle-end when their transes are up and running), Gal should get a rematch cause a) less HP, b)Armor and level, C) If this tournament is about who is truly the best then a rematch has to take place, you wanna find out who's best why ***** out. Why not accept the challenge and do a rematch. So and so thinks he's best, why not prove it by doing another match. That should always be in the mind of a PvPer, when I lose a match I don't exit and flame, I ready again and see if the guys chicken to fight again (If he won red, 99% of the time in this community the dude will leave and say ha I got advantage aka mystogen).

Be a man, not a wussy. Rematch.

Wanna make it more fair? Same armor, coinless. No Dark Meto, no hallo sets. Strictly legit.

**** yea.

[Corr]

Or you're just too scared to face him again.

[Corr]

Why don't you stop voting on alternate accounts and just play him already.

He had 1hp (Tricky had debug mode), while you had high red and you lost.

What are you so scared of?

[Meta]

Since Corr and Allie have basically said what I had in mind, and what I told Tricky through msn, I say Galacti should get a rematch, if razor wanted to be legit, he shouldn't be happy about the opponent suiciding in 3rd round.

+1 for rematch

[Adamp]

imo he should be given a rematch but he should have the 10% hp disadvantage from the start of the match

[Yz]

Im sorry I did not mean to vote, -1 for yes if you dont mind.

No because you voted on alts lawl

[Scythe]

i agree with allie

[zomniethe4]

He does not deserve a rematch. He knows he's going against some with a disadvantage on his side, yet he still chooses to use ram. They even played a little before he decided to change. I may not know much about pvp, but along with skill you need brain; That was a stupid move on his part.

[cybercjt]

He does not deserve a rematch. He knows he's going against some with a disadvantage on his side, yet he still chooses to use ram. They even played a little before he decided to change. I may not know much about pvp, but along with skill you need brain; That was a stupid move on his part.

agree with this.

[wxx]

I don't mind what happens. I took the chance of suiciding, and honestly I was hoping for my guild member and fellow "respectable" PvPer to want an honourable win. I am completely fine with disqualification, but I am disappointed that Razor7 did not even give me a chance to redeem my loss outside of the tourny. I mean, this was to decide who was the better PvPer, right? I know I would have put up a good fight in this tournament. I am hoping to catch the finalists online and 1v1 them to prove I would have done well. I guess we can't count on a guild members courtesy in PvP - but I already guessed this much before I left, as I was being slandered about my 'lack of skill' the entire time. I just wanted to leave asap, to be honest.

Thx, Galacti

[Rossbach]

It was his fault that he went into the game as a Ram and forgot to change to a Surge beforehand, and then suicideing "20 seconds in." For that Ross says he should not have a rematch, however we should also give him some leeway. There was no rule that stated if you suicide you lose, plus Razor should be more of a man and prove what one of them is really better instead of crying that he should be DQ, and the fact he suicided close to the start. However if Gal was to do a rematch, he should basically resume the match like it was before. Same armor and as a Ram, not a Surge.  

[KillerPig]

let him rematch, but it has to be as ram

u cant change in the middle of it wtf.
dont see a problem anyways since he beat razor the first game

[Corr]

Weed will lose.

Guaranteed, that's why he refused first, that's why he tried to vote no with alternate accounts, that's why Weed should be DQ'd for being a wuss.

[Pokeh]

let him rematch, but it has to be as ram

u cant change in the middle of it wtf.
dont see a problem anyways since he beat razor the first game

ya thats meeting halfway. +1 for this.

but there weren't any rules against changing skills/bot type in between matches and rounds so idk.

its happened to me before a bunch of times. (once in evo tourney, few times when i had kyurra and was doing some official god challenge, and a bunch of times normally.) i let it go, who cares if i know i'm going to win anyways. if razor is confident then it shouldnt be a problem, but it should come down to razor, and nobody elses opinion.

never played galacti but i think razor would win even if they had a rematch.


edit: i played galacti; a rematch is a must.

[wxx]

I have been PvPing many of the greats around here lately and I feel I have done well enough to be given another chance. I think it's a shame to be overlooked because of a mistake based on something that was never listed in the rules, and worse PvPers advance ahead of me.

Please give me another chance Allie.

[Yoshi91]

I agree with Ross and Pig. I'm voting for a rematch because I know Galacti had high possibility of winning, he just thought Razor was respectable enough to face himself(Galacti) with a fair surge.

Rematch Galacti should still be a Ram though, cuz like ross said, you can't just change bot at the very end. You decide the bot you want to pvp with from the beginning.

[zomniethe4]

you can't just change bot at the very end. You decide the bot you want to pvp with from the beginning.

Unless razor says otherwise, no rematch should be instated. Whether he's a ram or not. I highly doubt Galacti just suicided in the  towards the beginning of the match because he was a ram on accident or what ever case it was. He knew that he was losing and that there was a possibility that he was going to lose. No one is denying that Galacti is a bad PvP'er but you can't just leave a game to fix something like that. If you've beaten him once with ram you knew you could do it again and should've stayed the whole game if you really wanted to play as a ram. After the tournaments all over you can feel free to spar around with Razor or something because under the conditions that you left because of you shouldn't be given a rematch.

[Yz]

you can't just change bot at the very end. You decide the bot you want to pvp with from the beginning.

Unless razor says otherwise, no rematch should be instated. Whether he's a ram or not. I highly doubt Galacti just suicided in the  towards the beginning of the match because he was a ram on accident or what ever case it was. He knew that he was losing and that there was a possibility that he was going to lose. No one is denying that Galacti is a bad PvP'er but you can't just leave a game to fix something like that. If you've beaten him once with ram you knew you could do it again and should've stayed the whole game if you really wanted to play as a ram. After the tournaments all over you can feel free to spar around with Razor or something because under the conditions that you left because of you shouldn't be given a rematch.

I've been staying out until now, but you're saying some things that aren't true here.

I watched and filmed the 1v1 myself. Galacti wasn't losing, he was just like "oh wow this is gay I'd prefer surge for round 3" he had less HP at the time only because Razor took a HP, that really didn't affect anything though, Gala was still dealing much more DPS than Razor was.

Galacti expected PvP courtesy from a guild member, especially one who has posted consistently about "fairness in PvP" which is why he left without asking.

[zomniethe4]

you can't just change bot at the very end. You decide the bot you want to pvp with from the beginning.

Unless razor says otherwise, no rematch should be instated. Whether he's a ram or not. I highly doubt Galacti just suicided in the  towards the beginning of the match because he was a ram on accident or what ever case it was. He knew that he was losing and that there was a possibility that he was going to lose. No one is denying that Galacti is a bad PvP'er but you can't just leave a game to fix something like that. If you've beaten him once with ram you knew you could do it again and should've stayed the whole game if you really wanted to play as a ram. After the tournaments all over you can feel free to spar around with Razor or something because under the conditions that you left because of you shouldn't be given a rematch.

I've been staying out until now, but you're saying some things that aren't true here.

I watched and filmed the 1v1 myself. Galacti wasn't losing, he was just like "oh wow this is gay I'd prefer surge for round 3" he had less HP at the time only because Razor took a HP, that really didn't affect anything though, Gala was still dealing much more DPS than Razor was.

Galacti expected PvP courtesy from a guild member, especially one who has posted consistently about "fairness in PvP" which is why he left without asking.

If the hp didn't really effect anything than I don't see why he didn't continue to PvP :/

[Yz]

The HP didn't affect anything, I brought it up because it's untrue of me to say "Galacti was dominating" or something as Razor had more HP when Galacti left. But that's only because of the HP. Even if Gala continued he was confident he would win.

People come back to this with "Then why didn't he stay if he thought he would win?" because he was more comfortable as a Surge and didn't think his guildy would turn on him for a cheap win by dq.

[Trustinme]

i think they should do the rematch if razor is better then he should win again

[Yz]

People like you, who hate lag so much, ruin PvP for me.. I won't even dignify that post with a logical reply... just 1 thing..

two way sword, you just can't fight lag like the REAL pros can....

p.s shame on galacti and i for living in australia. we should be banned from online competition because of where we are born.

[wxx]

I thought good PvPers could fight lag. What has happened in a year, did the good PvPers quit and T-Bot nubs took over or something???

[zomniethe4]

The HP didn't affect anything, I brought it up because it's untrue of me to say "Galacti was dominating" or something as Razor had more HP when Galacti left. But that's only because of the HP. Even if Gala continued he was confident he would win.

People come back to this with "Then why didn't he stay if he thought he would win?" because he was more comfortable as a Surge and didn't think his guildy would turn on him for a cheap win by dq.

That's why you never let your guard down. In a tournament, especially official, people are going to do what they have to do to win. It's only understandable that Razor doesn't want to play again.
And I guess I'm not PvP minded enough to understand why he would still decide to leave. Did he say anything about suiciding or asking before he even did it?

And razor lag works both way so you were probably lagging just as bad to him as he was to you.

[Yz]

He said "I need surge brb" and jumped off. Woulda just gotten type-raped if he waited for an answer. But I was only arguing against Galacti losing the match, so I'll leave it there.

People like you, who hate lag so much, ruin PvP for me.. I won't even dignify that post with a logical reply... just 1 thing..

two way sword, you just can't fight lag like the REAL pros can....

p.s shame on galacti and i for living in australia. we should be banned from online competition because of where we are born.

Please dont turn it into this, I never said that I just said you should have no right to complain if you lose.

This tournament is rigged.

I don't recall Galacti or myself complaining about a loss. I do remember you insulting his skill and lag after each game though.

Please go back on topic. Stop bringing lag into this.
if this tourny was rigged I would have just said "Galacti gets another go" as soon as the incident happened... Ungrateful people >_>

[Yoshi91]

This tournament is rigged.

The heck. About your complain of another player's lag; everyone has to deal with lag, it's an online game and there's never going to ever be a game free of lag. You become a pro pvper by being able to withstand people's lag anyway. Don't nag about it. If you truly feel you're a better pvper than Galacti, have another go. Your complain about lag and unwillingness to do a rematch just make you seem like you really won by luck. By sheer luck that you beat against his lag and not fair and square.

Srsly, if you're not afraid, just have another go. I don't see where the problem is here.

[wxx]

Look its simple, if what happend doesnt count as win I dont even want to participate in this.

It is not that big of a deal to me I just wish to have what I rightfully won.

he never decided to jump off the map when he was winning.

Not that big of a deal? Then you would down me in HP like u think U can... Oh wait... you don't really think you can do that obviously.

I just know I would have gone very far in this tournament. If in the end I have to be d/qed then that's fine I can just slowly climb the ladder in PvP I mean I've already proven to be too good for Razor to PvP again so I'm on my way if this doesn't work out.

But change from PvP tournament title to something else, like [Non-Competitive] and add the rules that you are missing.

[123bomb123]

Wanna make it more fair? Same armor, coinless. No Dark Meto, no hallo sets. Strictly legit.

**** yea.

This, if we had a tourney with all the same parts and coinless with the only diff being bot type it would be pretty great and probably be a better way to determine who actually is the most skilled.

I think Galacti should get a re-match but yeah, like Pig said he should stay Ram and just fight. If he can win once then he can win again.

/inb4 Tricky secretly plays for Galacti and destroys Razor.

[wxx]

Don't know how a fair tourny would go with membership but that sounds fun. I am up for a rematch as a Ram if this will be accepted.

Z, that would not go so well, I feel Trick would hinder my performance.

[zomniethe4]

we could all pvp with naked lvl 1s

[wxx]

Well lets cut out all this childs play and get straight to the point Yz, what is your decision does galacti (who you treat specially) get special treatment?

Yz and Galacti have video footage, I am interested in seeing this two sided lag,

\because I never hit him while I was falling or once broke his guard it was solid as a rock it was basicly pointless for me to guard even after 3 seconds, and he always knew where I was, I barely knew.

and I dont wish to argue with anyone so this will be my last post in this thread.

Yz does not want to log on his account again so I will say it for him.

He has not made a decision, that's why this thread exists. He also said you do not know anything about lag, if you think that you didn't do those things. YOu are not MEANT to see yourself do these things. On my screen I only hit you next to me and never hit through Ur block, but I still believe that it happened bcuz that is what lag is. U don't see your own lag. All of your hits were lag hits and I do not mind one bit, because this is what an element of PvP is. A core component to be phrased better.

Yz will upload videos when we have settled what will happen, but refuses to upload if you will not face me again, as it was not a "proper tourny bout" if you won't defeat me by hp.

[wxx]

The match had barely began.

[Yoshi91]

Well lets cut out all this childs play and get straight to the point Yz, what is your decision does galacti (who you treat specially) get special treatment?

Just so you know... that totally -5646698478623123 in your rep. This whole topic and your whole crap just is ugh. what a omg.

Your rep's totally frikin lower then a buttpoo now.


DO YOU FRIKIN GET IT NOW, HE'S WILLING TO GO WITH SAME FRIKIN RAM ARMOR. JUST HAVE A STUPID REMATCH U LOSER.  BUTT POOP

[Pokeh]

p.s shame on galacti and i for living in australia. we should be banned from online competition because of where we are born.

ya shame on u

I thought good PvPers could fight lag. What has happened in a year, did the good PvPers quit and T-Bot nubs took over or something???

loooool ya good pvpers can fight lag but its just harder to win :p


btw im gonna disagree about the 2 ended lag sword thing cuz its usually true; not always.

[wxx]

Chains are usually not two-way, from my experience delay is basically all of the time.

Leroy, again, how could I be losing if the match had barely began. I was losing the first round for half the game and then bounced back, why would I care about how you got the first hit in. It is natural, Surges always are winning at first vs Ram...

[Yoshi91]

We already had the battle with him as ram,.

Let me correct you on that, sir no-sense. This whole topic was for a rematch, pure rematch. No topic of having Galacti be allowed turned into a surge was addressed. That's just your diluted opinion on trying to win an argument you've already lost. Again, shove some sense into yourself, the battle with Galacti as a ram WAS NOT FINISHED, thus, this topic came about. want me to repeat again? eh. just read it over.

[Rossbach]

What I do wish is for it to be fair.

*Talks about fair.*


*Has higher stats than Gal.*


*Uses mob in normal PvP.*


*Only reason he does not want to fight is lag.* Welcome to the internet.


*Says he is better than Gal with confidence.*


*Yet won't fight him again because he is scared of lag.*

[Pokeh]

Chains are usually not two-way, from my experience delay is basically all of the time.

Leroy, again, how could I be losing if the match had barely began. I was losing the first round for half the game and then bounced back, why would I care about how you got the first hit in. It is natural, Surges always are winning at first vs Ram...

ya like when i pvp half the ppl with my laptop basically as far away from my router as possible i get complaints that im teleporting when people are fine to me.

and for chains, when i x7 jrhar and he x2's me LOOL

[Pokeh]

Chains are usually not two-way, from my experience delay is basically all of the time.

Leroy, again, how could I be losing if the match had barely began. I was losing the first round for half the game and then bounced back, why would I care about how you got the first hit in. It is natural, Surges always are winning at first vs Ram...

That is a bold lie, I know for a fact we had the same HP the whole game and you only got the last hit.

I dare you to prove me otherwise, dont lie to me or the people that agree with this.

You were far beyong 75% and I dare you to prove otherwise. And I also dare you to prove I ate a hp in the 3rd round you say the match was so fast hp doesnt drop into a minute in.

Back up your accusations.

dude if your so uptight about this and sure your gonna win just do it

[wxx]

Wow... if you insist. Will edit this post with Round 1 screenshot at the end and Round 3 screenshot progressions.

[Yoshi91]

Hey, Razor. Can we stop talking about that last crappy unfinished match and just have another go so everyone can be happy and you be sastified to win again if you can?

Both of you same armor, same bot type. Everything the same. We cool?

[Yoshi91]

Wow, you're really new. Now answer my question from above. What do you have to complain about that offer?

[hawk5005]

You took screenshots during a game, I am asking for the video footage. You are obviously going to take screenshots from round 2 and how could you even take a screenshot.  

Dude just redo the round.
Stop going all NO I DID THAT U DIDNT DO THAT ADSNFGBDHFGBA
Feels like a court here, everyone arguing everyone about everything.

[wxx]

I am screenshotting the footage. With my Internet I would waste much time uploading it.

[mo9]

tough one
imo it was a stupid thing for gal to do but it's kinda un-fair to dq him
what does razor think
if razor wants a rematch then it's all dandy
if he doesn't i'd get why cause he kinda did win
best 2 out of 3 all over again

[Corr]

Weed is a scared cat.

That's all. He knows he can't beat Gaal again. So he's trying to liberate his way out of a match.

What a *****. :/

[hawk5005]

No, I am taking a stand. This is not fair, you cant just re-do and egg me on by insulting me and saying -1242442323.

I will gladly pvp him again but this match was one by me its best of 3 not 4 and anyone who says other wise has no morals

It was a mistake on his side. Everyone does mistakes.
Prove that you're better than him on an official tourney with actual rules.
You say you're good and you're better than him, prove it.
Galacti already agreed that he'd redo the round being ram, he also agreed that it was a fail on his side.
However that fail doesn't mean he has to be disqualified.

He is not being DQ, he is losing the match DQ is when you cheat or dont show.

My screen said win, I was winning he threw in the towel.

What's a valid win? A kill, not a suicide on the opponent for a mistake.

[wxx]

Just showing in First pic round 3 you took a HP.

Second pic is moments before I beat you on Round 1. Anyone else would have suicided, you had 2 jump atks worth of HP and all that evade, I had no evade and 1 HP left.

[mo9]

Weed is a scared cat.

That's all. He knows he can't beat Gaal again. So he's trying to liberate his way out of a match.

What a *****. :/

well if i win against opti i know for a fact i can never beet him again , so it doesn't really matter what people call me i'll gladly take the win
that's being smart....

i have no opinion on the subject yet

[wxx]

You are pathetic... How am I in the same guild as you? I told you already I am not uploading because it takes hours, we are only uploading if we have 3 rounds to upload to the Zylon channel. You KNOW this is round 3.

That's the sad thing... This is the dirtiest of play, and from a fellow guildy who thinks he is a good PvPer. I have screenshots, what do you have?

[Pokeh]

tricky u nig nog lock this and decide it with staff, your hosting tourney

[123bomb123]

This Razor guy doesn't care about winning with honor or any of that shit. He's like that guy from The Karate Kid trying to sweep Galacti's leg.

NO HONOR  =  NO RESPECT = N00B

[zomniethe4]

Just post the video footage dont hide behind it, just upload it and do other stuff, its not that had and a 5 minute match doesnt take hours to upload come on...

Depending on the person it can.

[wxx]

I can prove you wrong WITHOUT video. I have here, a screenshot of round 2 where you beat me, proving the screenshot I posted of you saying "ugh im upset" and getting a HP was done in round 3.

Tricky is asleep. I request a lock and review from the staff team please.

[wxx]

I showed screenshots of what you said in Round 1 where I beat you, of what you said in Round 2 where you beat me, and screen of you taking the HP in a separate round of you saying "ugh im upset" which was obviously round 3.

[mo9]

@gal just start uploading and w/e it's done post it
@leroy don't make a big fuss out of this

[wxx]

No, because I have the proof in the screenshots. There is no need whatsoever for an upload.

[mo9]

do it to shut him up , don't do it for the evidence

[wxx]

I posted round 2 where you beat me and you never said "ugh im upset" there....

[wxx]

This is round 2.

[123bomb123]

WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING TO.

[Yoshi91]

lolol Tricky told me he went to sleep.

[Yoshi91]

maybe next time you should make the right decisions and not be so careless.

What's your point?

[zcnmashleu]

If leroy does not wish to have the rematch, then so be it, he should still attain the win since the match has already started then.

[Allie]

Let's settle this like the adults none of u are..
Razor, pvp me. u win, you dont get rematch. Else, u do.

[123bomb123]

Let's settle this like the adults none of u are..
Razor, pvp me. u win, you dont get rematch. Else, u do.

Why do you have to involve your own PvP skills in this. You're just getting make this blow even bigger out of proportion than it already is.

[Yoshi91]

Let's settle this like the adults none of u are..
Razor, pvp me. u win, you dont get rematch. Else, u do.

lol, the irony. you're funny.

[Yz]

Locked.

Allie and I will sort this out when I wake up or she can do it alone. Galas sleeping also, we've been up all night even Shass only went to sleep like 2 hours ago >______>      <______<