[Rossbach]

Evade tag for pvp/ bvb to set it to 0-w/e.  

[ghostkid17]

He said 0-w/e which is like you could set it from 0 to (ex.) 1000

[sirhamtaro]

make this happen

[Cooky]

+1

anyone who says it would be unfair to surges...  remember theres a speed tag so yea

[Cooky]

was suggested back in october.. Allie said it wouldnt be very helpful ablnd tricky said -1 `leave surges alone` so unless they changed their minds this wont be added

[Helix-Live]

+1 Evade gets srsly annoying especially somewhere like holo

[zomniethe4]

You're basically equalizing all of surges abilities

[Purple]

Add one for tg, crit, and evade. That way people can't say "You're making {insert bot type here} shit."

[zomniethe4]

And TA, and TD, and TS, and every different stat that each bot posses. That way the ability to actually work for stuff doesn't mean much, right?

[Purple]

And TA, and TD, and TS, and every different stat that each bot posses. That way the ability to actually work for stuff doesn't mean much, right?

People wanna mess around in pvp sometimes. It's not always super serious and as far as i'm concerned this game gets horribly boring super fast. It needs something that can further re-playability and if that happens to be messing around in pvp, so be it.

[zomniethe4]

Speed, which is a controllable factor, and Ranged Attack; Let's be honest that that is nearly useless.

And of course people want to mess around, but if you want to mess around make everyone go naked or something. You're taking the main concept of each bots separate specialty and throwing it around like it's a halo custom game.

[123bomb123]

rams still have gr8 advantage cuz of their jump attk range.

[Pokeh]

+1

anyone who says it would be unfair to surges...  remember theres a speed tag so yea

speed tag is bs too lol

might as well make a td and no-trans tag too

[Cooky]

+1

anyone who says it would be unfair to surges...  remember theres a speed tag so yea

speed tag is bs too lol

might as well make a td and no-trans tag too

they should just make a tag for every stat honestly

[zomniethe4]

Then people wouldn't really make an effort to earn stuff in the game.

[Materger]

I think too many tags for stats is a bad thing.

-1

[Bombz]

+1 because you're ross. 

[Xx Itz Ian]

everybody forgot it's not a tag, it's a button 

+1

[Cooky]

Then people wouldn't really make an effort to earn stuff in the game.

yeah because pvp and base is all anyone ever plays

[zomniethe4]

Then people wouldn't really make an effort to earn stuff in the game.

yeah because pvp and base is all anyone ever plays

Why sector when you can have anything and everything in PvP and Base? Where the people that actually worked hard for their stuff basically wasted time.

[Cooky]

when I said every stat I had in mind just the special stats for each bot type (TA/TD/Crit  Evade/Speed/Ranged Attack  ST/TS/TG )

I should have been more clear

[Rossbach]

Ross is not trying to fk up the balance, Ross suggested this so he can do 1v1's with Imag where there is not 100+ evade chains and evade tele lag.  


No need to be a sarcastic **** and bring in every other stat, if you actually want that added go make your own topic. This is simply a topic about evade, and everything else is just plain spam.  

[Pokeh]

surge is speed and evade

allowing both to have tags totally undermines its existence. especially when surge was normally dominant in bots pvp.

[Rossbach]

surge is speed and evade

allowing both to have tags totally undermines its existence. especially when surge was normally dominant in bots pvp.

Don't you think that surges need to be nerfed tho? Besides it not like people are being forced to use the tags.  


People overate evade, only real bonus(s) is that you can lag tele and double jump if you evade, most people can get in 2-4 hits which is a down side, and if you evade and get away than the person who was attacking sucks (unless you lag'ed out).

[Cooky]

surge is speed and evade

allowing both to have tags totally undermines its existence. especially when surge was normally dominant in bots pvp.

if anything it would help balance the bot types because right now surge is by far most popular

right now in-game:

30 surges
12 rams
5 patches

[zomniethe4]

Nerfing surges down by increasing ram and patches of surge-like abilities wouldn't make any sense.

[Pokeh]

surge is speed and evade

allowing both to have tags totally undermines its existence. especially when surge was normally dominant in bots pvp.

Don't you think that surges need to be nerfed tho? Besides it not like people are being forced to use the tags.  


People overate evade, only real bonus(s) is that you can lag tele and double jump if you evade, most people can get in 2-4 hits which is a down side, and if you evade and get away than the person who was attacking sucks (unless you lag'ed out).

1. idk about nerfing. i only play an occasional game once in a blue moon and can't tell for shit how op things are
2. people wont be forced to use the tags. but once available they'll definitely be using them. it's very rare to see any room with no tags at all. with the most popular one being speed tag.

[Rossbach]

Nerfing surges down by increasing ram and patches of surge-like abilities wouldn't make any sense.

Not if you lower the evade below Patch / Rams amount.  

surge is speed and evade

allowing both to have tags totally undermines its existence. especially when surge was normally dominant in bots pvp.

Don't you think that surges need to be nerfed tho? Besides it not like people are being forced to use the tags.  


People overate evade, only real bonus(s) is that you can lag tele and double jump if you evade, most people can get in 2-4 hits which is a down side, and if you evade and get away than the person who was attacking sucks (unless you lag'ed out).

1. idk about nerfing. i only play an occasional game once in a blue moon and can't tell for shit how op things are
2. people wont be forced to use the tags. but once available they'll definitely be using them. it's very rare to see any room with no tags at all. with the most popular one being speed tag.

gz on 3k posts.

2. Ross was thinking about that also, a fair point, you could always ask them to change them / make your own room though. The speed tag has not been that bad, besides the op rams with Kowhax (Ross) (/restisnotreallydirectedatyoupoke) but then you could always take off the speed tag or heck, even make it so no one can trans, which is what Rams are only good for. People never complain that there are tags to mess with Rams. Oh, right, no one cares about Rams in pvp, it all about surges. You dare touch a surge and everyone freaks out like a caring mother who gets their children taken away from them. 

[Yz]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

[Rossbach]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

Yes because people work hard just for evade. That the whole point of sector is to get evade. All evade does is allow evade chains, waste of time, and creates lag.  

[Yz]

so people DON'T work hard to get Elektra +7 heads and tier 3 heads and the coins to afford an evade set? wow i'm not so intouch with the game anymore if that's how it is l0l

see the joke here is you're wrong

[Rossbach]

so people DON'T work hard to get Elektra +7 heads and tier 3 heads and the coins to afford an evade set? wow i'm not so intouch with the game anymore if that's how it is l0l

see the joke here is you're wrong

Ross never said they don't work hard for evade, just that sector is not there simply to just get evade. So this would not really change the reason why people Sector at all.

People work hard for E sets, it pretty much falls in as a collection fetish. Plus people apparently think evade is just that good, well actually it is considering the lag it creates.  

Evade sets are still better than special trans or crt, which are pretty much useless.  

You need the head for the t3 set bonus.


Plus nowadays you don't really have to sector, just spend real money. Sector is not simply about collecting shiz, well in Ross' eyes it means more than that, not that much to other people, but oh well, play it how you want to play. Sector is just there to piss people off and so they can get stuff and then just PvP / BvB. That is pretty much what this game is apparently.

[qolderman]

so people DON'T work hard to get Elektra +7 heads and tier 3 heads and the coins to afford an evade set? wow i'm not so intouch with the game anymore if that's how it is l0l

see the joke here is you're wrong

Ross never said they don't work hard for evade, just that sector is not there simply to just get evade. So this would not really change the reason why people Sector at all.

People work hard for E sets, it pretty much falls in as a collection fetish. Plus people apparently think evade is just that good, well actually it is considering the lag it creates.  

Evade sets are still better than special trans or crt, which are pretty much useless.  

You need the head for the t3 set bonus.


Plus nowadays you don't really have to sector, just spend real money. Sector is not simply about collecting shiz, well in Ross' eyes it means more than that, not that much to other people, but oh well, play it how you want to play. Sector is just there to piss people off and so they can get stuff and then just PvP / BvB. That is pretty much what this game is apparently.

Nice speech

[zomniethe4]

If you can have an evade tag,  I'm pretty sure people would switch to crt  and  speciall  trans  sets.

[Rossbach]

If you can have an evade tag,  I'm pretty sure people would switch to crt  and  speciall  trans  sets.

Go ahead, they are pretty much useless and it means people will then throw away their evade items in order to get crt/ sppecial trans sets, which means coins will be spent for the items thus it reduces inflation problem. Besides who is to say the evade tag will be on 100% of the time? Just because this tag is here does not render evade completely useless. 

[Pokeh]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

Yes because people work hard just for evade. That the whole point of sector is to get evade. All evade does is allow evade chains, waste of time, and creates lag. 

yeah but a surge with only speed (which is sort of pointless with the speed tag) and no evade is shit. i mean, rams and patches have their own advantages but surge is completely reliant on those 2 things.

[Rossbach]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

Yes because people work hard just for evade. That the whole point of sector is to get evade. All evade does is allow evade chains, waste of time, and creates lag.  

yeah but a surge with only speed (which is sort of pointless with the speed tag) and no evade is shit. i mean, rams and patches have their own advantages but surge is completely reliant on those 2 things.

Just because there would be an evade tag in just PvP does not mean surges suddenly become completely useless, they have their advantages when the tags are not selected, and they have their advantages in other game modes. Besides surges are not just simply speed and evade, but also their reach, and gun dmg. No one or at the most a little amount of people is going to go and pay to change their bot type from surge to a different kind just because of an evade tag. Take speed tag for example, speed is way more important than evade yet you still see more surges in game than other types. 

No more tags involving this stuff (imo). I say add more fun tags (like spec trans tag, one hit KO, stake) but adding this is too much. I have to agree with others, there will be no point in playing surge if all these tags for it are added.

"no one cares about Rams in pvp, it all about surges. You dare touch a surge and everyone freaks out like a caring mother who gets their children taken away from them."

[Yz]

all i read was the spec trans bit. spec trans means shit to a ram and u know that.

[Rossbach]

all i read was the spec trans bit. spec trans means shit to a ram and u know that.

And evade means shit to surge, besides the lag. 


It was fine back when evade was not so high, but not you can simply chain people where 1 hits them another is evade, and repeat. Only positive is if you can get out, usually if the attacker is crap or you teled out.

[Pokeh]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

Yes because people work hard just for evade. That the whole point of sector is to get evade. All evade does is allow evade chains, waste of time, and creates lag. 

yeah but a surge with only speed (which is sort of pointless with the speed tag) and no evade is shit. i mean, rams and patches have their own advantages but surge is completely reliant on those 2 things.

Just because there would be an evade tag in just PvP does not mean surges suddenly become completely useless, they have their advantages when the tags are not selected, and they have their advantages in other game modes. Besides surges are not just simply speed and evade, but also their reach, and gun dmg. No one or at the most a little amount of people is going to go and pay to change their bot type from surge to a different kind just because of an evade tag. Take speed tag for example, speed is way more important than evade yet you still see more surges in game than other types. 

No more tags involving this stuff (imo). I say add more fun tags (like spec trans tag, one hit KO, stake) but adding this is too much. I have to agree with others, there will be no point in playing surge if all these tags for it are added.

"no one cares about Rams in pvp, it all about surges. You dare touch a surge and everyone freaks out like a caring mother who gets their children taken away from them."

Ram has more reach than Surge imo. (or they're tied)
Gun damage is pointless if you only have 15-40 bullets. It's not like you're going to hit people all the time and rely solely on gun to win.

And people won't switch over to a different bot type because in the end, they're just tags and they can be avoided. Though they're still popular and being used often.

Speed is more important than evade. And the only reason surges still have an advantage really, is their evade. Everything else doesn't give them a cutting edge in competitive play.

[Rossbach]

It's just a stupid tag lol. Half of the tags Kenny put in like No Trans weren't even requested by the community, and they have better stuff to complain about in the game than a tag that affects Rams in PvP. Idk I thought the point of Sectoring was to work hard so you could afford the best stats in the game whereas now everyone's expecting a tag for it since Kenny made some other ones that were for 'FUN' not for eliminating the stat exactly. Besides if you're having a competitive 1v1 I'm sure the other person would strip their evade for you.

tl;dr no one wants bst tag and it's not even used for anything but hoverbyte, evade tag is dumb, people should work harder for their stats, 1v1s should have equal gear or they dont count

Yes because people work hard just for evade. That the whole point of sector is to get evade. All evade does is allow evade chains, waste of time, and creates lag.  

yeah but a surge with only speed (which is sort of pointless with the speed tag) and no evade is shit. i mean, rams and patches have their own advantages but surge is completely reliant on those 2 things.

Just because there would be an evade tag in just PvP does not mean surges suddenly become completely useless, they have their advantages when the tags are not selected, and they have their advantages in other game modes. Besides surges are not just simply speed and evade, but also their reach, and gun dmg. No one or at the most a little amount of people is going to go and pay to change their bot type from surge to a different kind just because of an evade tag. Take speed tag for example, speed is way more important than evade yet you still see more surges in game than other types.  

No more tags involving this stuff (imo). I say add more fun tags (like spec trans tag, one hit KO, stake) but adding this is too much. I have to agree with others, there will be no point in playing surge if all these tags for it are added.

"no one cares about Rams in pvp, it all about surges. You dare touch a surge and everyone freaks out like a caring mother who gets their children taken away from them."

Ram has more reach than Surge imo. (or they're tied)
Gun damage is pointless if you only have 15-40 bullets. It's not like you're going to hit people all the time and rely solely on gun to win.

And people won't switch over to a different bot type because in the end, they're just tags and they can be avoided. Though they're still popular and being used often.

Speed is more important than evade. And the only reason surges still have an advantage really, is their evade. Everything else doesn't give them a cutting edge in competitive play.

Hard to say. Surge probably has wider atk range, while ram is more of a strait attack.

Not if you have DM. Why do you think everyone raged about it in the past? Can still hit around 900 with it, which is basically the same as getting hit by a II skill.


If the skill is popular and is used, wouldn't you think that makes this suggestion somewhat of a success if it is implemented? Although that is kinda twisting the facts around, still wanted to say it.


Unless Ross is blind there is not really much point to evade besides the tele lag. People with high evade probably take more damage by having evade rather than not having evade due to chains IRO. 

[Pokeh]

you won't get hit by DM more than like twice if you're good enough and learned your lesson. ._.

Besides, most gun shots, even if they do it, miss with evade lol

i think it would be a huge success for all the patches, rams, and aussi ***s who want to play with less lag/tele in 1v1's.

No evade won't be popular among surges unless you have like a set 500 evade for every bot in the room. (ex: {ev500} or make a button for it. w/e)

Everyone would be using it and eventually surge would have to hide in a corner and never see pvp again because of the tags.

[matan124]

i agree with poke.
As someone that pvp almost everyday, ALL rooms in pvp now got bs which is ruin the point of being a surge.
Surge got his evade and rams got higher attack, bigger range, longer trans.... so it is not really fair, it is like using full TD VS a ram.
Also, most high tier pvpers will not use DM gun, i also stopped useing it.
btw, pvp is dead and most people sector, so the fact that there are more surges then other types is not all of it related to pvp.

[Rossbach]

"Surges are to damn op."


"NOOOO DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH SURGE!"


@poke

Not if you are a good shooter poke, Ross hits people multiple times with his DM.

Eh, lol true, gun spaaam. *Click*, aw. Well finally something that evade if good at.

It would also be a success for surges, considering the other surge would not evade tele. Ya fuk those aussi ***gs

Dunno if Ross is misunderstanding you, but he means if the tag is used a lot them it means it is a popular tag.

Surge would not really have to hide.


@mat

"most high tier pvpers will not use DM gun, i also stopped useing it."

Ross still uses his DM. Also why did you say you stopped using DM? That is completely irrelevant as you only stated high teir pvper do not use it, nothing about the mid-class.


"btw, pvp is dead and most people sector, so the fact that there are more surges then other types is not all of it related to pvp."

Thus the reason why this tag would not really "kill" Surges, as it is a PvP tag, not a Sector one.

[matan124]

"Surges are to damn op."


"NOOOO DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH SURGE!"


@poke

Not if you are a good shooter poke, Ross hits people multiple times with his DM.

Eh, lol true, gun spaaam. *Click*, aw. Well finally something that evade if good at.

It would also be a success for surges, considering the other surge would not evade tele. Ya fuk those aussi ***gs

Dunno if Ross is misunderstanding you, but he means if the tag is used a lot them it means it is a popular tag.

Surge would not really have to hide.


@mat

"most high tier pvpers will not use DM gun, i also stopped useing it."

Ross still uses his DM. Also why did you say you stopped using DM? That is completely irrelevant as you only stated high teir pvper do not use it, nothing about the mid-class.


"btw, pvp is dead and most people sector, so the fact that there are more surges then other types is not all of it related to pvp."

Thus the reason why this tag would not really "kill" Surges, as it is a PvP tag, not a Sector one.

Ok let me correct myself first - also mid tier pvpers usually dont use DM gun, and when i said that i stopped useing DM gun i didnt mean it like that, i meant that it is OP sorry if it sounded like i brag or somthing, i really didnt meant it that way \:

Also, for the people who does pvp it will kill surges, i mean seriously, bs made surges more then 50% less OP and you want to kill them completely? i think that the fact that you are a ram need to have somthing with it 
And no, i dont say that because i am a surge, you got bs so it is fair for all types since speed imo is the most important thing in pvp.
It is also summer now so pvp will be more active hopefully.

[Rossbach]

"Surges are to damn op."


"NOOOO DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH SURGE!"


@poke

Not if you are a good shooter poke, Ross hits people multiple times with his DM.

Eh, lol true, gun spaaam. *Click*, aw. Well finally something that evade if good at.

It would also be a success for surges, considering the other surge would not evade tele. Ya fuk those aussi ***gs

Dunno if Ross is misunderstanding you, but he means if the tag is used a lot them it means it is a popular tag.

Surge would not really have to hide.


@mat

"most high tier pvpers will not use DM gun, i also stopped useing it."

Ross still uses his DM. Also why did you say you stopped using DM? That is completely irrelevant as you only stated high teir pvper do not use it, nothing about the mid-class.


"btw, pvp is dead and most people sector, so the fact that there are more surges then other types is not all of it related to pvp."

Thus the reason why this tag would not really "kill" Surges, as it is a PvP tag, not a Sector one.

Ok let me correct myself first - also mid tier pvpers usually dont use DM gun, and when i said that i stopped useing DM gun i didnt mean it like that, i meant that it is OP sorry if it sounded like i brag or somthing, i really didnt meant it that way \:

Also, for the people who does pvp it will kill surges, i mean seriously, bs made surges more then 50% less OP and you want to kill them completely? i think that the fact that you are a ram need to have somthing with it  
And no, i dont say that because i am a surge, you got bs so it is fair for all types since speed imo is the most important thing in pvp.
It is also summer now so pvp will be more active hopefully.

Just wondering but did you notice the hidden text Ross posted with it? '(Look at Ross' post in quote.)

Anyways it is apparently not that OP according to what poke said as apparently you can only hit people 2x per game. Also the normal guns at best hit 300, which is little to none damage compared to what players hit and the amount of hp they have, it is not worth hitting them down giving them an invincibility time. So it is not that OP.

Ross already answered that 100x already, stated speed > evade. If you want to say that surge is ONLY evade and speed then the speed tag alone makes them 90% less OP. Also like Ross said before evade is pretty much crap, it is more like a gamble. "evade is crucial and can actually give the player a disadvantage or an advantage in PvP alone" ~ Imag. Evade is not always a good thing, so adding a tag to remove evade is not always a bad thing.  

"It is also summer now so pvp will be more active hopefully."

More people = more lag = more evade lag + more evade chaining= broken PvP.  


" i think that the fact that you are a ram need to have somthing with it "

What the ****, no, Ross has been mainly pvping on his surge "Briooo" now. It has nothing with the fact Ross' main which si for sectioning or lulz PvP is a ram, but that Ross wants to PvP people like Imag, on his surge account. Plus it is not about people having crap-load of evade but Ross having a crap-load of evade causing them to take about half of Ross' hp in 1 evade chain. What is Ross going to do? Strip his evade? Have to strip helm, lose HP and Halloween set bonus when fighting in a ffa with 7 lv 221's, nty. Ross is using a surge to PvP (Briooo) (and if his main was a surge he would say the same thing) that he would be happy to lose his evade, like Ross said, evade is crap, just leads to lag and then you have people like Corr raging and complaining at you about your lag, and it just creates a giant evade chain where you lose 50% of your HP in 1 go, while you sit there for 5 mins trying to get out.

"And no, i dont say that because i am a surge"

Is that why you thought of the above statement of random assumption? Where did Ross ever say that, he never said that.


"You got bs so it is fair for all types since speed imo is the most important thing in pvp.

Unless Ross is misunderstanding this, you are saying BS is fair now? Let me go find something. "bs made surges more then 50% less OP and you want to kill them completely?" First you say BS is bad for surges making them 50% less op, then you are saying it is fair because it affects all bot types? Evade tag would also be "fair" then as it can affect all bot types also.

[Rossbach]

This argument is still going on?

Yes, because the other people are too blind to realize evade is a giant piece of shit (or that Ross is apparently blind to see the polished side of this turd), and that is does not help surges that much. They cling on to evade too much and don't see the bigger picture.  


"evade is crap, just leads to lag and then you have people like Corr raging and complaining at you about your lag, and it just creates a giant evade chain where you lose 50% of your HP in 1 go, while you sit there for 5 mins trying to get out."



This is not what PvP or evade was intended for. All evade does is create meaningless lag that is bad for both sides. No 2 fully equipped Surges can have a 1v1 without evade lag so in a sense no 1v1 with evade is fair.

[hawk5005]

This argument is still going on?

No, you're looking at a different thread.
Useless post much. 

I kinda dislike this idea. Having a speed tag and an evade tag pretty much ruins the purpose of having a surge (Guns aren't taken into consideration because a ram can deal ~600 dmg and a surge ~900, so it's not too big of a difference). With speed and no evade rams will dominate these rooms as they have a bigger hitbox and can trans rape everyone. Even with no trans the base dmg a ram deals is higher than the one of surges.

The no trans tag that supposedly ruins rams actually ruins all the other bot types too because they can't trans either, and an experienced surge user should be able to run from a transed ram and then trans rape him. Whereas the evade tag only affects surges, because I've never seen an evade ram or patch before.

The evade tag might not seem too much of a big deal, but it's something that gives surges the edge in pvp. One evasion here, one evasion there and you might just evade 2k dmg that can turn the tide of battle in your favor.

Yeah I know that you're not gonna be forced to use the "button", however I'm pretty sure you'll see all the pvp rooms with no evade on.
Also just pointing out that the server is kinda slowly turning into a pvp-only server, as you can now use "buttons" to have pretty much every stat. You can use a level 1 character and win every game with speed and god tags on.

I'm tired and I may be wrong, but this is my opinion, and please don't drag me into this debate. @_@

[Rossbach]

This argument is still going on?

No, you're looking at a different thread.
Useless post much.  

I kinda dislike this idea. Having a speed tag and an evade tag pretty much ruins the purpose of having a surge (Guns aren't taken into consideration because a ram can deal ~600 dmg and a surge ~900, so it's not too big of a difference). With speed and no evade rams will dominate these rooms as they have a bigger hitbox and can trans rape everyone. Even with no trans the base dmg a ram deals is higher than the one of surges.

The no trans tag that supposedly ruins rams actually ruins all the other bot types too because they can't trans either, and an experienced surge user should be able to run from a transed ram and then trans rape him. Whereas the evade tag only affects surges, because I've never seen an evade ram or patch before.

The evade tag might not seem too much of a big deal, but it's something that gives surges the edge in pvp. One evasion here, one evasion there and you might just evade 2k dmg that can turn the tide of battle in your favor.

Yeah I know that you're not gonna be forced to use the "button", however I'm pretty sure you'll see all the pvp rooms with no evade on.
Also just pointing out that the server is kinda slowly turning into a pvp-only server, as you can now use "buttons" to have pretty much every stat. You can use a level 1 character and win every game with speed and god tags on.

I'm tired and I may be wrong, but this is my opinion, and please don't drag me into this debate. @_@

At least someone decent has posted.

300 gun damage can make a difference, if you shoot them a lot. Just like how you talked about evade, a shot here and a shot there, and they may have taken 2k more damage that can turn the tide of battle in your favor.

However "One evasion here, one evasion there and you might just evade 2k dmg that can turn the tide of battle in your favor." May not always happen, you may get free every so often mainly in a ffa but then you fight people like imag, they will evade chain you which makes you lose more hp that if you did not have evade.  


[12:12:23 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: how bout
[12:12:25 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: make it into a tag
[12:12:29 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: like evade tag then
[12:12:31 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: not remove from game
[12:12:33 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: completely
[12:12:33 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: that is what the post is
[12:12:37 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: oh
[12:12:39 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: then ya sure
[12:12:39 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: "Evade tag for pvp/ bvb to set it to 0-w/e. "
[12:12:39 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: do it
[12:12:45 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: i already sujjested it
[12:12:51 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: 4 pages into arguing with people
[12:12:55 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: lol
[12:12:59 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: well if i could post
[12:13:02 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: i'd side with you
[12:13:17 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: they say there is already a speed tag so adding an evade tag will ruin surges
[12:13:28 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: altho id say evade is not what makes surges op
[12:13:30 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: anyways
[12:13:32 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: you get the point
[12:13:59 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: ya
[12:14:00 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: i do
[12:14:19 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: regardless, it's a tag, so you have the option to make it evade or no evade
[12:14:19 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: lol
[12:14:25 PM] ℛ ☉ Ꭶ Ꭶ ☚: ya
[12:14:34 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: i dont see why people argueing
[12:14:40 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: you won'tk now if it ****s up surges
[12:14:42 PM] Sorra aaaaaaah: until you try

[Rossbach]

If this is added, people will complain or be happy for a bit, then no one will care. It is just evade after all.

^This.

Don't like? Don't play in rooms that have the tag. Like? Then go ahead and use it. Besides having 100000 evade might be fun for a lulz game, and to train your evade chaining skills, that you all love so much, and having 0 evade will make PvP more in a sence PvP, than just lag-ness.

[matan124]

"Anyways it is apparently not that OP according to what poke said as apparently you can only hit people 2x per game. Also the normal guns at best hit 300, which is little to none damage compared to what players hit and the amount of hp they have, it is not worth hitting them down giving them an invincibility time. So it is not that OP."

"300 gun damage can make a difference, if you shoot them a lot. Just like how you talked about evade, a shot here and a shot there, and they may have taken 2k more damage that can turn the tide of battle in your favor."

Lol am i the only one that see the conflict?

Anyway if you dont want evade so buy coins items without evade and use your ram\patch with bs and you are good to go.
If you dont like evade just dont use surge lol.
It is like chosing a type of bot and decide which stats you want and what you dont want to have.
The point of the game is to play with your bot dealing with the advantages and disadvantages, also tc was removed for a reason- people should play with 1 main bot type and deal with it for the good or bad like old bots.

"evade is crap, just leads to lag and then you have people like Corr raging and complaining at you about your lag, and it just creates a giant evade chain where you lose 50% of your HP in 1 go, while you sit there for 5 mins trying to get out."

what corr have to do with it? i dont care about him he just rage about everything, he can continue raging all he want.

Anyway this is just my opinion i dont want to argue anyway, good luck with your suggestion (:

[Rossbach]

"Anyways it is apparently not that OP according to what poke said as apparently you can only hit people 2x per game. Also the normal guns at best hit 300, which is little to none damage compared to what players hit and the amount of hp they have, it is not worth hitting them down giving them an invincibility time. So it is not that OP."

"300 gun damage can make a difference, if you shoot them a lot. Just like how you talked about evade, a shot here and a shot there, and they may have taken 2k more damage that can turn the tide of battle in your favor."

Lol am i the only one that see the conflict?

Anyway if you dont want evade so buy coins items without evade and use your ram\patch with bs and you are good to go.
If you dont like evade just dont use surge lol.
It is like chosing a type of bot and decide which stats you want and what you dont want to have.
The point of the game is to play with your bot dealing with the advantages and disadvantages, also tc was removed for a reason- people should play with 1 main bot type and deal with it for the good or bad like old bots.

"evade is crap, just leads to lag and then you have people like Corr raging and complaining at you about your lag, and it just creates a giant evade chain where you lose 50% of your HP in 1 go, while you sit there for 5 mins trying to get out."

what corr have to do with it? i dont care about him he just rage about everything, he can continue raging all he want.

Anyway this is just my opinion i dont want to argue anyway, good luck with your suggestion (:

"Lol am i the only one that see the conflict?"

"apparently not that OP according to what poke said"

The 2nd quote had to do with comparing surges to rams, not necessarily to do with DM, he was showing that surge does have an edge when it comes to using guns. So the 2 quotes are basically irrelevant. The same comparison in the 2nd quote can be sued for any gun, as for the "2k" damage Ross simply used the same numbers Hawk used.


"what corr have to do with it? i dont care about him he just rage about everything, he can continue raging all he want."

Corr was just an example you nub. Replace "Corr" with anyone if you really care, people always complain like mad when it comes to lag, even you, and yes Ross. Besides you avoided the whole point of what Ross said. 1v1 should not even count anymore considering how much it is altered by lag, heck did you know this game has a problem with rendering a persons position is different screens? You could see a person in 1 spot standing still but they are actually in a different spot, also don't get this confused with ping, that is a completely different addition onto the lag. If you want to test this out Ross can show you, this is not a rare occurrence it is always happening, where you see where they are is actually a lie. Never mind adding evade lag onto this broken laggy-ass game.

Evade is shit.  



"Anyway if you dont want evade so buy coins items without evade and use your ram\patch with bs and you are good to go.
If you dont like evade just dont use surge lol."


1. Like Ross said the other coin sets are complete crap, and yes sometimes Ross uses non-eavde sets at times. See below for the ram/ patch with BS.


"If you dont like evade just dont use surge lol."

*Hits head on desk.*

Won't even bother anymore explaining that Surges are OP in all game modes, even with the tags. Went though this 100x.  


This is just going in a circle, against: "evade will **** up surges," Ross: Evade is not even the main component of Surges and is more of a negative than a positive,  you fail to realize this.

Tired now from going on this loop over and over, Ross and everyone has said what they wanted to say already. Up to Allie now as she is actually a logical person.  

[Eat4two]

Evade is most cases devastating.

I don't see the problem if this gets added, it would just be an added feature to the game. Don't like it? Simply make your own room with the tags you prefer to have.

It's about preference, and this would be an extension of that.