It's all been a lie.....
You can lock it now.
WAT
'Not head gm!'
??
explain more guys im new
I quit as staff. Just hasn't been changed on forum yet. About the lies, some people know, most will find out.
BOT DRAMA.
OOH.
LET IT OUT, GRAMPS.
quitting over guild drama
omg c'mon gramps >_>
What happened?
SILENCES FAULT
Damn :/ I see your reason
it's coz of gp transferring, ken u should stop this thing really, the guild system lost it's meaning
It's not "guild drama" and also not silences fault. I just see no reason to continue playing for a guild rank that has no meaning anymore.
Quote from: Gramps on July 01, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
It's not "guild drama" and also not silences fault. I just see no reason to continue playing for a guild rank that has no meaning anymore.
What about exp Rank? I have no competition then? :)
If we're going to reset gp then while you're at it, decrease max guild size to 10/15 to increase competition.
Give guilds relevancy again.
Yes let us pull 3/4 of the members from all guilds that have 40-50
@This topic: stuff like this has been happening way before this, if you never noticed
Quote from: Dillh on July 01, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Gramps on July 01, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
It's not "guild drama" and also not silences fault. I just see no reason to continue playing for a guild rank that has no meaning anymore.
What about exp Rank? I have no competition then? :)
I don't care about exp rank, i have reset 5 or 6 times :P
@muncay, pm's.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 01, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
Yes let us pull 3/4 of the members from all guilds that have 40-50
*If GP gets reset.
why not reset guild rankings anyways?
before that though, patch all existing hacks. Start off on a clean slate.
I'd say the same for PvP/BvB/etc. but nobody seems to care about that at all :[
Quote from: Pokeh on July 01, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
why not reset guild rankings anyways?
before that though, patch all existing hacks. Start off on a clean slate.
I'd say the same for PvP/BvB/etc. but nobody seems to care about that at all :[
That's the only way to fix it, people will just quit though. Guess it will just run as an unfair game.
And all hacks have now been patched.
Don't reset... That will get people very irritated
I just want to see competition brang back. And 50 people in a guild is wayy too much. Maybe if the player base was like 600+ active players..
As for the guild resetting idea, I suggested this some month ago, I'd love that, but most people would QQ and ragequit.
@topic, Firey has accidently quit Sympathy once (he wanted to press review) and asked me to ask the Admins if his GP can be restored.
Allie answer was "We're not getting involved in guild matters anymore." Now I see Silence's GP getting moved all around.
So I kinda understand gramps even though his actions seem exaggerated.
Quote from: Zap1173 on July 01, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
Don't reset... That will get people very irritated
save all current stats and move them to an "Old Rankings" page or something and then reset.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 01, 2012, 07:30:09 PM
I just want to see competition brang back. And 50 people in a guild is wayy too much. Maybe if the player base was like 600+ active players..
Yes make it like 20 max.
I didn't exaggerate neo, grinding for a guild was the only reason i played. That's pointless now ;)
Quote from: NeoKiller on July 01, 2012, 07:44:16 PM
As for the guild resetting idea, I suggested this some month ago, I'd love that, but most people would QQ and ragequit.
@topic, Firey has accidently quit Sympathy once (he wanted to press review) and asked me to ask the Admins if his GP can be restored.
Allie answer was "We're not getting involved in guild matters anymore." Now I see Silence's GP getting moved all around.
So I kinda understand gramps even though his actions seem exaggerated.
The moving went on a long long time ago, when Allie found out about it she reset their gp, kenny just set it back to what it was, they aren't the only people to have done this
Resetting GP is debatable, but transferring GP is ****ing ridiculous. Whether or not it happened before is irrelevant, it makes no sense to keep it going.
You people seem to not understand about morality and principle, yea everyone here knows GP is just number and bragging rights, but the whole point is having it transferred and distributed so easily is just wrong, it's playing favorites, it's easy manipulation, it's bias and it's just because ICECOLD has money. Seriously it's the stupidest thing Red has done so far and now losing a great asset like Gramps would just make it even worse, reminds me of when Acclaim decided to **** up with some mod in 2moons (Turok) who was loved by the community and eventually had to quit because the owners of the game decided to reward a hacker because he gave a lot of money to 2moons.
It's bullshit and I think you guys really need to start looking deeper into things.
and some guy made a conspiracy video about 2moons cause of it.
When someone earns GP, they earn it for that guild. It's the guild's accomplishment, it works hard to recruit members and organize grinds. Every member works together for the sake of helping the team progress and rise up the ranks. It doesn't matter if an individual member made those GP by grinding, those points aren't theirs to move around - they belong to the guild.
It wasn't simply a GP transfer, it was guild point theft.
That GP shouldn't exist, it's just disturbing the balance of competition. Which is kind of what the point of guilds are all about.
There should be a weekly ranking for guilds, not overall ranking,
1st, 2nd and 3rd guilds in the ranking would get some prizes, not OP prizes, only a "well done, bro" prize.
I think it'd be cool. :3
@Gavin's sig, you can't undo every GP transfer so just reset it all.
@sora, first overall guild for the month gets a flag for all members?
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 02, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
@Gavin's sig, you can't undo every GP transfer so just reset it all.
@sora, first overall guild for the month gets a flag for all members?
A flag won't do anything Missy. >________>, sometimes it's better to flat out punish and break rather than give an unlimited number of chances. I may sound like a conspirator but at least I back it up. Only reason why ICE gets his GP transferred or anyone else that's up there in terms of money/power/authority/major popularity is because of all those reasons. It shouldn't be that way because it's just morally wrong, get it.
I like the idea of resetting everyone's GP right now but peeps are just gonna ragequit, you gotta nip this shit in the butt to create stability again, otherwise you're playing with a broken system and a ****ed up hierarchy.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 02, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
@Gavin's sig, you can't undo every GP transfer so just reset it all.
@sora, first overall guild for the month gets a flag for all members?
I don't know, anything would be cool. And also, there would not be a huge difference between one guild and another, since they all would have the same chance every week/month. It would be all about real hard grinding.
They took away the OPness of BS after people spent everything they had on it. Only a few rage quit.
And flags are cool.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 02, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
@Gavin's sig, you can't undo every GP transfer so just reset it all.
I'm all for a GP reset, but like Corr said, it'd just result in a lot of players quitting. The only two viable options we have right now are:
1. Undo the GP transfer and never do anything similar again. Then we carry on as usual.
2. Undo the GP transfer and never do anything similar again. Then (like Poke suggested) we save all the current rankings and post them on an "old rankings" page (name can be changed), and then we reset for a new season of GP rankings.
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I'm all for guild flags. That actually gives me an idea :0
*runs off to the Suggestions section*
yh reset the gp or take away the transfers!!!
OR DO A SEASON 2 GP LIKE GAVIN SAID :D
Quote from: Gramps on July 01, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
I quit as staff. Just hasn't been changed on forum yet. About the lies, some people know, most will find out.
ice got 22m gp all of a sudden brought back by kenny. he didnt grind that much because its 22m like srsly. the gp transfers are ruining the game...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGGGGGH
Actually he did have that much before quitting
Before quitting Aeon or quitting Silence?
aeon is gonna die.. lol
Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 02:44:38 AM
Before quitting Aeon or quitting Silence?
Silence I'm pretty sure, it could be a combination though, since I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know he had around 20 mil
i thought it was like 10m im pretty sure it wasnt 22m. but w.e ranks is gay this game is gettin ruined.
The ranks in this game never meant anything in the first place, they've been ****ed for a long time
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 02:49:26 AM
Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 02:44:38 AM
Before quitting Aeon or quitting Silence?
Silence I'm pretty sure, it could be a combination though, since I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know he had around 20 mil
Quote from: grant746 on July 02, 2012, 02:47:16 AM
aeon is gonna die.. lol
@muncay: That doesn't matter, like corr said GP are earned and are a guild's achievement, but if I may add GP is a individual achievement that every member contributes to their guild and if they decide to leave they leave with their achievements, or at least that's how I see it, and now taking out the unfairness to other guilds I belieeve it's also unfair for your members, ice left silence once as you said, if he rejoins isn't he supposed to start from 0? but oh no, in just couple hours master og ice and lady oq ice had 24mil gp aprox, that's no where fair if you ask me. Don't think I made sense honestly, Maybe i'm just too tired.. I know what I tried to say and I'm sorry if noone gets it (LOL)
@zalo: hater :<
@Thread: I understand the reason why gramps is doing what he is doing because this gp transfer thing is totally ridiculous! I personally don't care abt rankings much but there's alot of players who do and I find it quite unfair for this to keep happening.
some people care more about a dollar than anything. give them money and they will do what you ask.
Quote from: rettknight on July 02, 2012, 03:35:55 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 02:49:26 AM
Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 02:44:38 AM
Before quitting Aeon or quitting Silence?
Silence I'm pretty sure, it could be a combination though, since I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know he had around 20 mil
Quote from: grant746 on July 02, 2012, 02:47:16 AM
aeon is gonna die.. lol
@muncay: That doesn't matter, like corr said GP are earned and are a guild's achievement, but if I may add GP is a individual achievement that every member contributes to their guild and if they decide to leave they leave with their achievements, or at least that's how I see it, and now taking out the unfairness to other guilds I belieeve it's also unfair for your members, ice left silence once as you said, if he rejoins isn't he supposed to start from 0? but oh no, in just couple hours master og ice and lady oq ice had 24mil gp aprox, that's no where fair if you ask me. Don't think I made sense honestly, Maybe i'm just too tired.. I know what I tried to say and I'm sorry if noone gets it (LOL)
@zalo: hater :<
@Thread: I understand the reason why gramps is doing what he is doing because this gp transfer thing is totally ridiculous! I personally don't care abt rankings much but there's alot of players who do and I find it quite unfair for this to keep happening.
Why are people just now noticing this
^ Exactly what droidzylon said, and as I said before, it's not about the actual rank/GP, it's about the principle. You're characterizing people and giving them benefits for no real reason as opposed to someone who doesn't have merit.
Take for example I am a nobody in this game and I made 50million GP in my guild and I've been in the guild since day 1.
For some odd reason I quit by accident or a glitch happened or I was just on my period or whatever.
If I ask Fira/Kenny to reset my GP they would say no.
If ICE or someone with power or someone with a lot of money ask and is in the same situation as me then Fira/Kenny would be like "kay here ya go want some more to go with it?"
That's the major point. Reset GP, lets all start over, cause for the sake of competition, friendships/allies, pride, moral, and hax; These things need to happen. I don't believe resetting ICE's GP ONLY would do any good, because at one point something like this will happen again and has happened in the past. Reset, lets start over, clean slate. Game is active and people will have a new purpose. Too do this though we might have to minimize the guild capacities too 30 or 35. Fifty is just a lot for no real reason. Alt's and double clienting are gonna be exploited more and more.
I also think the "GM accounts" shouldn't be allowed in guilds for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 03:46:31 AM
^ Exactly, and as I said before, it's not about the actual rank/GP, it's about the principle. You're characterizing people and giving them benefits for no real reason as opposed to someone who doesn't have merit.
Take for example I am a nobody in this game and I made 50million GP in my guild and I've been in the guild since day 1.
For some odd reason I quit by accident or a glitch happened or I was just on my period or whatever.
If I ask Fira/Kenny to reset my GP they would say no.
If ICE or someone with power or someone with a lot of money ask and is in the same situation as me then Fira/Kenny would be like "kay here ya go want some more to go with it?"
That's the major point. Reset GP, lets all start over, cause for the sake of competition, friendships/allies, pride, moral, and hax; These things need to happen. I don't believe resetting ICE's GP ONLY would do any good, because at one point something like this will happen again and has happened in the past. Reset, lets start over, clean slate. Game is active and people will have a new purpose. Too do this though we might have to minimize the guild capacities too 30 or 35. Fifty is just a lot for no real reason. Alt's and double clienting are more exploits.
I also think the "GM accounts" shouldn't be allowed in guilds for obvious reasons.
ZeaL
What bout it?
Just seems to fit in here somehow, people being on their period and kicking everyone, like you said
i find this funny u guys are talking about guild accomplishments yet the gp being transfered it our gp earn just moved to an alt because people get bored of old guilds and want to try new ones..
Oh yea, forgot about that. :-*
Again, it's about the principle, not the guild achievements/ranks/points/etc.
but i agree reset gp and say there is a prize for first guild to blah blah gp i bet no1 will quit might be mad but not quit
just clear all guilds it will get rid of the inactive ones
oh one more thing not all of the gp is ice's its other peoples too
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 03:53:07 AM
Oh yea, forgot about that. :-*
Again, it's about the principle, not the guild achievements/ranks/points/etc.
Counter proposal: GP is based on sector, sector is based on amount of time spent on it, and the skill with which you can do it, so shouldn't the principle of the matter be that members have worked for their gp in some form or another, so no matter where they go they shouldn't lose it, lest you say that work never happened
Like Gavin said, leaving the guild is leaving everything you accomplished with it and shouldn't be something to regain (Paraphrase). If the work never happened the GP shouldn't be added. It's like getting something for nothing, ruins the balance of things. Also their are also other ways to get GP, even though the main one is sector/survival mode. Still can't count out the other ones when people got on for 6x or whatever and gained universal levels of GP. It's just wrong.
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:01:33 AM
Like Gavin said, leaving the guild is leaving everything you accomplished with it and shouldn't be something to regain (Paraphrase). If the work never happened the GP shouldn't be added. It's like getting something for nothing, ruins the balance of things. Also their are also other ways to get GP, even though the main one is sector/survival mode. Still can't count out the other ones when people got on for 6x or whatever and gained universal levels of GP. It's just wrong.
But GP is often gained as an effort by the whole guild (Grinding) it's selfish to say that a person leaving the guild should discount the efforts of others to help them level, gain gp, and prosper in general. I'd point to a game called Pandora Saga as having a guild system that's admirable, all gp gained by members is basically owned by the guild as a whole so no matter who quits the gp remains with the guild. It cuts guild drama/politics a lot because no one needs to fight over members, if a member leaves, then a member leaves, no big deal.
edit
Basically why should the actions of the few affect that of the many
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 01, 2012, 06:48:15 PM
If we're going to reset gp then while you're at it, decrease max guild size to 10/15 to increase competition.
Give guilds relevancy again.
I like that idea,so active members wont all go into 1 guild
Well this isn't Pandora Saga, this is Boutcheetah. It's selfish to leave the guild with that many points or whatever regardless so he/she shouldn't leave in the first place. But the person did. Besides, people can still get a huge amount of GP just by soloing, it's not totally a team effort (I.E sunshine or whatever had basically 2 members with a combination of a zillion GP, everyone else just put minimal to moderate GP). Also, by guild's owner? What if the owner decides to leave, no matter what's done their is always a drawback to these kind of things, because we all have human error and nobody on this forum whether is from the smart people or the owners can find a perfect system. No such thing. That's why I say we start from scratch, or let this bullshit continue to happen and piss off more great people in the game like Gramps.
idk i like zephers idea of the guild owning the gp not the players
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:14:19 AM
Well this isn't Pandora Saga, this is Boutcheetah. It's selfish to leave the guild with that many points or whatever regardless so he/she shouldn't leave in the first place. But the person did. Besides, people can still get a huge amount of GP just by soloing, it's not totally a team effort (I.E sunshine or whatever had basically 2 members with a combination of a zillion GP, everyone else just put minimal to moderate GP). Also, by guild's owner? What if the owner decides to leave, no matter what's done their is always a drawback to these kind of things, because we all have human error and nobody on this forum whether is from the smart people or the owners can find a perfect system. No such thing. That's why I say we start from scratch, or let this bullshit continue to happen and piss off more great people in the game like Gramps.
I'm not saying you're wrong I'm saying you're too late
It's never too late to restart man. Everyone wants to reset their life at one point in time, and if it was possible they would take the first opportunity to do it.
@speedy- who owns the guild? The guild leader? Zylon? That would just create more problems in terms of supremacy and power. Especially in a game like this.
how about the person who created the guild
@ muncay it's never too late to start over
and well everyone seems to forget that guilds are about devotion
you don't just join a guild and then up and go the next day
i've personally played bc for a quite a while and i've only been in 3 guilds
stayed in one of them till it died ... so yeah basically if you leave a guild then you arn't that devoted to it so your gp and accomplishments shouldn't matter ...
Quote from: speedy101 on July 02, 2012, 04:20:31 AM
how about the person who created the guild
Again, if the guild leader owned all the GP it would cause a lot of problems within other members (I.E someone who gets the most GP, while others do nothing then that person will feel used despite the notion that "everyone is one in a guild") It'd be a bigger **** up cause this game relies on everyone pulling their weight, that's why GP is gained and put on the board by the person who makes it. So people will notice who does the work and who just shows up.
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:22:50 AM
Quote from: speedy101 on July 02, 2012, 04:20:31 AM
how about the person who created the guild
Again, if the guild leader owned all the GP it would cause a lot of problems within other members (I.E someone who gets the most GP, while others do nothing then that person will feel used despite the notion that "everyone is one in a guild") It'd be a bigger **** up cause this game relies on everyone pulling their weight, that's why GP is gained and put on the board by the person who makes it. So people will notice who does the work and who just shows up.
guild leader doesnt own the gp the guild does. the leader just runs the guild...also you know who grinds in your guild and who doesnt if not it shows your not doing much
I mean you could do it, but you'd upset a huge portion of the community, I'm saying that if this had been done long ago, it'd work a lot better.
As for who would own it, no one needs to, let the guild own the gp, then there's a leader of the guild, who may lead the guild and have payed for it, but doesn't technically own it, as anyone can lead the guild if that person leaves. Basically gp would turn into less of just a point system, and more of just proving the legacy behind that guild.
That's why Gavin's idea is better.
Keep an OLD Rankings so people can piss their nostalgia juice out.
Then make a new one like a "S2" or whatever.
Again- Like mo said, guilds are about devotion, their are a lot of different people/personalities in this forum and some are more sensitive then others, it just wouldn't feel right to them if they don't see their own amount of GP they contributed on the members list. Legacy's have already been built in this game, it's been here for 3 years now.
An s2 could be good, as long as the old stuff wasn't complete;y trashed, I'd want memorabilia lol.
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.
Most of bc's success was built of of english/asian player's nostalgia for bots/bout
I see i caused a bit of a debate. Interesting breakfast reading :)
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 05:01:03 AM
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.
Most of bc's success was built of of english/asian player's nostalgia for bots/bout
Yea, and people gotta get over the nostalgia.
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 05:16:57 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 05:01:03 AM
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.
Most of bc's success was built of of english/asian player's nostalgia for bots/bout
Yea, and people gotta get over the nostalgia.
It's like asking someone to throw away their childhood memories just because they're moving on to new things lol, they don't need to throw away the memories to move on, they just need to move on. (So sleepy my eyes are blurred I'm going to bed)
/sleep
That's kind of what I said. >___>
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:30:15 AM
I mean you could do it, but you'd upset a huge portion of the community, I'm saying that if this had been done long ago, it'd work a lot better.
Simple solution: Split GP into season's/sagas/etc. The current GP would go into the ranks as the first season's standings, then we reset everyone's GP and that starts the second season. People would still be able to see their GP from the first season by checking the rankings. It would still be there so there'd be no reason for anyone to be mad about the reset.
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Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
Counter proposal: GP is based on sector, sector is based on amount of time spent on it, and the skill with which you can do it, so shouldn't the principle of the matter be that members have worked for their gp in some form or another, so no matter where they go they shouldn't lose it, lest you say that work never happened
No, that's bull. That defeats the entire purpose of the competitive guild system that was programmed into the game. Quitting a guild is supposed to be a sacrifice, you have to lose something to prevent people from just randomly guild hopping. =/
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:09:50 AMI'd point to a game called Pandora Saga as having a guild system that's admirable, all gp gained by members is basically owned by the guild as a whole so no matter who quits the gp remains with the guild. It cuts guild drama/politics a lot because no one needs to fight over members, if a member leaves, then a member leaves, no big deal.
Running a guild is supposed to take skill. Pandora Saga's system doesn't take very much skill at all given your description of it. You're supposed to be able to keep a guild together and only select a loyal few to join you, if you're not able to keep everyone together - you face the consequences. ie. a loss in GP. If there's no penalty for leaving, then there's absolutely no challenge.
When this game was created, it was designed with 5 competitive aspects in mind:
Sector - alive (5/5)
BvB - dead. (4/5 left)
PvP - dead. (3/5 left)
The competitive market/economy - dead. (2/5 left)
Guilds - dying (1/5 left)
Allie and Redeyes can't expect to maintain a game when only 1/5th of it is left standing. Who's going to want to play a game like that for an extended period of time? There's a reason the playersbase has dwindled down to so little, and it's because their's absolutely no challenge. None. At all. I stopped playing this game for over a year, I came back, and even on my level 10 I'm able to beat people that are over 10 times my level. Not because I'm good, I'm terrible compared to the average BOTS!! Acclaim player atm (rust D:), but because there's no competition here that challenges people to improve.
This entire game was designed with competitiveness at it's core, but it's shit like this that's stripping all that away. B.Cheetah had the potential to be even bigger than the original BOTS!!. We had an active staff team, the updates were player driven, we had total control over the game, etc. Everything was in our favor. But did we last? Nope. We had a large playerbase at the start while the game was competitive but when the game became les and less challenging as the days went by, people got bored and left.
The guild system is one of the few remaining reasons why people still play this game. Ruin that, and this game won't last. Hell, it
isn't lasting. If we want to save this game, we need go back to how things were when we all fell in love with BOTS!! and make things challenging again. And fixing the GP issue is the first step.
All hail the green god of bots related stuff ;)
greenman for admin!!
Quote from: grant746 on July 02, 2012, 02:47:16 AM
aeon is gonna die.. lol
lol wtf gtfo it's 50/50 and has like 5 people on waiting list with no inactives .-.
read a few tl;dr's. Gavin's post right up here ^^ is best post I see on thread x_O Guilds are the only reason I play. I'm all for a reset, it'd suck to lose the last week of no-lifing I did but it's wut's best for the game in the end imo :3
Restarting the GPs would bring back competition.
If you want to start a guild nowadays and you want it to be famous, you practically have no chance.
I mean look at the first 3 guilds for example, they have so many GPs that smaller guilds won't even bother trying to get close to them.
Resetting all the GPs would also give newer guilds a chance to stand out, would bring older and newer players to the game for the competition, to be #1.
It would be great if once every few months this would happen, the GPs would be reset, and everyone would compete once again to be #1.
This could also happen to the base rankings, the pvp rankings, the sector rankings and so on.
A reward could also be given, but being #1 in the rankings is enough for most of us.
Guild rankings resetting idea along with no GP moving ftw !!
Once you leave a guild your GP is lost forever, if you rejoin the same guild you restart at 0.
That's how it was in BOTS!!, that's how it is everywhere, and that's how it should be here.
Quote from: hawk5005 on July 02, 2012, 07:30:56 AM
Restarting the GPs would bring back competition.
If you want to start a guild nowadays and you want it to be famous, you practically have no chance.
I mean look at the first 3 guilds for example, they have so many GPs that smaller guilds won't even bother trying to get close to them.
Resetting all the GPs would also give newer guilds a chance to stand out, would bring older and newer players to the game for the competition, to be #1.
It would be great if once every few months this would happen, the GPs would be reset, and everyone would compete once again to be #1.
This could also happen to the base rankings, the pvp rankings, the sector rankings and so on.
A reward could also be given, but being #1 in the rankings is enough for most of us.
Damn that's a good point, I know for a fact people would love to come back and have a 2nd chance...
I totally agree with you gavin, I was shocked when at level 90 I beated a lvl 221 in PvP, it was like what? not alot of players offer a challenge like they did back then in BOTS. :/ I'm totally agree with the season 2 idea as long as characters aren't lost, like, guilds and stuff should get cleaned ffs it would make things better
Make the max guild members 20. All I'm asking.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 02, 2012, 12:13:52 PM
Make the max guild members 20. All I'm asking.
Don't think that'd be the best idea, starting over and making the capacity -30 will make some ppl mad, I kinda miss the 20 capacitybecause being in a guild would mean something more important than when you're in a 50/50 but still change is for gud so whatever comes i'll be cuul with it.
in singapore niqs 8)
wait so is gramps quitting or wat
Quote from: KillerPig on July 02, 2012, 01:42:32 PM
in singapore niqs 8)
wait so is gramps quitting or wat
texan in singapore. Read thread you poke.
-20 players max
-Reset guild rankings every 1 year on a fixed date. At the end, the top 3 guilds get some crazy ass ungiftable flags or some shit.
-Allow a bigger variation for gp attainability. **** sector, what about PvP/BvB? It shouldn't just be for "FUN LOL" cuz obviously that isn't working and bs is kind of a worthless prize atm. Allow gp to be obtained from PvP/BvB along with other stuff. Make it different from Sector where there's a goal to obtain while having fun. Something that Sectorers could get if they PvP'd, and something that non-pvp/bvbers could do without. (idk random ass item like b.s or maybe drops in pvp .__.')
Wasn't it 30 member on BOTS!!? Maybe we could reduce the limit by 5 ever 1-2 weeks to sort of ease into it. We could announce it in advance to give guikds time to sort things out.
Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 08:29:06 PM
Wasn't it 30 member on BOTS!!? Maybe we could reduce the limit by 5 ever 1-2 weeks to sort of ease into it. We could announce it in advance to give guikds time to sort things out.
I thought t was 20, maybe that was default
It was 10 originally, then they updated it too 30.
This is really something, when it comes to ICE most of you here go in labor and have a big ass BITCH FIT, it's like this when you leave ur home do you leave it unprotected? In fact I protected my home which is Silence. As far as money, all of you that speak on ICE and his Money are very stupid to me, I IN fact HAVE never said I had money all of that came from peoples stupidity of what there stupid ass thought.
A guild reset I'll agree on that when we reach our Main Goal, also the reset of guilds if you want to keep it fair, remove all GM Guns and really be fair.
MASTER OG ICE.
30 was kinda big in bots too. unless there were guilds like edx/etc. but making it 20 really gives it competition.
-20/30 guild slots
-guild reset
-more incentive to play pvp/bvb guild and gamewise
I'm guessing this is a repeat of past event and gramps ends up not quitting after all
Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 06:05:32 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:30:15 AM
I mean you could do it, but you'd upset a huge portion of the community, I'm saying that if this had been done long ago, it'd work a lot better.
Simple solution: Split GP into season's/sagas/etc. The current GP would go into the ranks as the first season's standings, then we reset everyone's GP and that starts the second season. People would still be able to see their GP from the first season by checking the rankings. It would still be there so there'd be no reason for anyone to be mad about the reset.
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Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
Counter proposal: GP is based on sector, sector is based on amount of time spent on it, and the skill with which you can do it, so shouldn't the principle of the matter be that members have worked for their gp in some form or another, so no matter where they go they shouldn't lose it, lest you say that work never happened
No, that's bull. That defeats the entire purpose of the competitive guild system that was programmed into the game. Quitting a guild is supposed to be a sacrifice, you have to lose something to prevent people from just randomly guild hopping. =/
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:09:50 AMI'd point to a game called Pandora Saga as having a guild system that's admirable, all gp gained by members is basically owned by the guild as a whole so no matter who quits the gp remains with the guild. It cuts guild drama/politics a lot because no one needs to fight over members, if a member leaves, then a member leaves, no big deal.
Running a guild is supposed to take skill. Pandora Saga's system doesn't take very much skill at all given your description of it. You're supposed to be able to keep a guild together and only select a loyal few to join you, if you're not able to keep everyone together - you face the consequences. ie. a loss in GP. If there's no penalty for leaving, then there's absolutely no challenge.
When this game was created, it was designed with 5 competitive aspects in mind:
Sector - alive (5/5)
BvB - dead. (4/5 left)
PvP - dead. (3/5 left)
The competitive market/economy - dead. (2/5 left)
Guilds - dying (1/5 left)
Allie and Redeyes can't expect to maintain a game when only 1/5th of it is left standing. Who's going to want to play a game like that for an extended period of time? There's a reason the playersbase has dwindled down to so little, and it's because their's absolutely no challenge. None. At all. I stopped playing this game for over a year, I came back, and even on my level 10 I'm able to beat people that are over 10 times my level. Not because I'm good, I'm terrible compared to the average BOTS!! Acclaim player atm (rust D:), but because there's no competition here that challenges people to improve.
This entire game was designed with competitiveness at it's core, but it's shit like this that's stripping all that away. B.Cheetah had the potential to be even bigger than the original BOTS!!. We had an active staff team, the updates were player driven, we had total control over the game, etc. Everything was in our favor. But did we last? Nope. We had a large playerbase at the start while the game was competitive but when the game became les and less challenging as the days went by, people got bored and left.
The guild system is one of the few remaining reasons why people still play this game. Ruin that, and this game won't last. Hell, it isn't lasting. If we want to save this game, we need go back to how things were when we all fell in love with BOTS!! and make things challenging again. And fixing the GP issue is the first step.
1. That would work for most people, but there will always be ragers "amg whered all my gp goes??"
2. I disagree, the competitiveness was only part of the guild system, a huge aspect of it was being in a group of friends whom you can have fun with, and feel as though you've accomplished something as a group. (some guilds have been created for the purpose of not being competitive lol)
3. Then I must be a god of guild leaders, considering the majority of my members that stayed or left to only come back without me doing a thing to bring them .-.
On that whole last part I'd have to agree, basically the same thing happened to acclaim, it was just the hackers that dealt the killing blow
Quote from: RAUDOG on July 02, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
This is really something, when it comes to ICE most of you here go in labor and have a big ass BITCH FIT, it's like this when you leave ur home do you leave it unprotected? In fact I protected my home which is Silence. As far as money, all of you that speak on ICE and his Money are very stupid to me, I IN fact HAVE never said I had money all of that came from peoples stupidity of what there stupid ass thought.
A guild reset I'll agree on that when we reach our Main Goal, also the reset of guilds if you want to keep it fair, remove all GM Guns and really be fair.
MASTER OG ICE.
That's the reason Gavin also suggested that GMs shouldn't be allowed to be on a guild on their GM accounts.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM1. That would work for most people, but there will always be ragers "amg whered all my gp goes??"
If they ask where there GP is, you tell them to check the old rankings, it'll still be there. If they don't like it, that's too bad since the majority of the more informed players don't like the way things are currently being handled.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM2. I disagree, the competitiveness was only part of the guild system, a huge aspect of it was being in a group of friends whom you can have fun with, and feel as though you've accomplished something as a group. (some guilds have been created for the purpose of not being competitive lol)
You disagree with what? I didn't say that competitiveness is the only reason guilds were added to the game, just that the system was designed with competition in mind. That's why there was such a small guild member limit (10 people), there were GP rankings, GP could be lost, etc. If comradery was the sole focus, there wouldn't have been such an emphasis on the competitive aspects of the guild system.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM3. Then I must be a god of guild leaders, considering the majority of my members that stayed or left to only come back without me doing a thing to bring them .-.
Ok, not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand but alright. :P
Quote from: rettknight on July 03, 2012, 01:21:50 AM
That's the reason Gavin also suggested that GMs shouldn't be allowed to be on a guild on their GM accounts.
That was Corr actually. :P
Quote from: GavinGill on July 03, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM1. That would work for most people, but there will always be ragers "amg whered all my gp goes??"
If they ask where there GP is, you tell them to check the old rankings, it'll still be there. If they don't like it, that's too bad since the majority of the more informed players don't like the way things are currently being handled.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM2. I disagree, the competitiveness was only part of the guild system, a huge aspect of it was being in a group of friends whom you can have fun with, and feel as though you've accomplished something as a group. (some guilds have been created for the purpose of not being competitive lol)
You disagree with what? I didn't say that competitiveness is the only reason guilds were added to the game, just that the system was designed with competition in mind. That's why there was such a small guild member limit (10 people), there were GP rankings, GP could be lost, etc. If comradery was the sole focus, there wouldn't have been such an emphasis on the competitive aspects of the guild system.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM3. Then I must be a god of guild leaders, considering the majority of my members that stayed or left to only come back without me doing a thing to bring them .-.
Ok, not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand but alright. :P
Quote from: rettknight on July 03, 2012, 01:21:50 AM
That's the reason Gavin also suggested that GMs shouldn't be allowed to be on a guild on their GM accounts.
That was Corr actually. :P
2. I was disagreeing with competition being the main focus, I believe the social part was the real focus, or else they would have given more weight on gp, such as rewards towards the guilds (thinking about the way other games developers handle it with guild buffs and stuff) as is unless you focus on rankings the only time you'll ever see gp is like a side note in the guild summary thing that some members don't look at lol
3. I was referencing the fact that you said being a guild leader is supposed to take skill such as holding members in your guild, and losing them is penalized by the loss of gp, considering my guilds long running track record with members and gp xD
Ice did that for you Muncay.
I do agree on the whole GM Gun thing, if this reset does happen I'll put my GM acc in Zylon Staff -- or I'll stop using my GM Gun at all. (even though we don't really use it for hardcore grinds, so it'd be for assurance)
ive been supporting a reset for over a year cuz of the hacks/etc. way back when there wasn't even a zylon shield.
it's not too late. doubt kenny has a problem with it, and allies gone till thursday and i'd love to see her expression when she gets back to see this :x
Quote from: Pokeh on July 03, 2012, 04:19:43 AM
ive been supporting a reset for over a year cuz of the hacks/etc. way back when there wasn't even a zylon shield.
it's not too late. doubt kenny has a problem with it, and allies gone till thursday and i'd love to see her expression when she gets back to see this :x
Another thing to think about is that we used to get more or less EXP at a lot of points, I don't think the EXP was determined back then. Now that the Admins have settled on a system a reset would work wonders imo~
Corr is awesome for coming up with this idea.
Just saying mang.
Gramps suggested it before he made this thread :P
Oye who deleted my post >:(
A gm gun isn't really op compared to a +7 elektra TA II skilled patch. They were before the bs nerf though. We could argue all day about this, but having a gm gun doesn't even come close to having over 20m gp a guild shouldn't have/END/not arguing over past crap.
Pig, i have quit, (dunno why i still have forum admin) i will only return if this game is made fair/point to this thread.
Ice, pointless post, reason above.
I came up with the idea 2 years ago when the new armors were introduced along with the EXP system.
Agreed w/Sean :P
I don't even have gm gun so I'm fine. :)
Quote from: Meteor on July 03, 2012, 05:40:18 AM
I don't even have gm gun so I'm fine. :)
niqqa msn nao niqqa
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:48:12 AM2. I was disagreeing with competition being the main focus, I believe the social part was the real focus, or else they would have given more weight on gp, such as rewards towards the guilds (thinking about the way other games developers handle it with guild buffs and stuff) as is unless you focus on rankings the only time you'll ever see gp is like a side note in the guild summary thing that some members don't look at lol
Ah, kk. Difference of opinions I guess.
Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:48:12 AM3. I was referencing the fact that you said being a guild leader is supposed to take skill such as holding members in your guild, and losing them is penalized by the loss of gp, considering my guilds long running track record with members and gp xD
Oh, duh. :-X
I support the idea of a GP reset. Start off from scratch would definitely make this game better and make a lot of players come back.
Quote from: Yz on July 03, 2012, 04:15:34 AM
Ice did that for you Muncay.
I do agree on the whole GM Gun thing, if this reset does happen I'll put my GM acc in Zylon Staff -- or I'll stop using my GM Gun at all. (even though we don't really use it for hardcore grinds, so it'd be for assurance)
I don't recall saying otherwise, I said I was the one that requested, but that might have been in a p.m, don't remember
so much drama y u no have a long ass bitch fit
Quote from: Nucleaon on July 03, 2012, 06:20:35 AM
I support the idea of a GP reset. Start off from scratch would definitely make this game better and make a lot of players come back.
And make the guild slots like 20 max
Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 01:38:11 AM
Quote from: 123bomb123 on July 02, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
@Gavin's sig, you can't undo every GP transfer so just reset it all.
@sora, first overall guild for the month gets a flag for all members?
A flag won't do anything Missy. >________>, sometimes it's better to flat out punish and break rather than give an unlimited number of chances. I may sound like a conspirator but at least I back it up. Only reason why ICE gets his GP transferred or anyone else that's up there in terms of money/power/authority/major popularity is because of all those reasons. It shouldn't be that way because it's just morally wrong, get it.
I like the idea of resetting everyone's GP right now but peeps are just gonna ragequit, you gotta nip this shit in the butt to create stability again, otherwise you're playing with a broken system and a ****ed up hierarchy.
@OG ice is true story ... lol ..
if u guys reset the gp and keum comes back he will suicide for sure
stop resaying the guild capacity holy crap we get 20/30 member and to ever who said take it down 5 members at a time why not just get rid of all the guilds and start new its the same as reseting it will get rid of inactive ones too
Quote from: speedy101 on July 03, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
stop resaying the guild capacity holy crap we get 20/30 member and to ever who said take it down 5 members at a time why not just get rid of all the guilds and start new its the same as reseting it will get rid of inactive ones too
waaat
I totally agree with Gavin's post a few pages back. All BoutCheetah is anymore is just grinding sector - I don't even really feel much nostalgia from Acclaim's BOTS, since, as Gavin said, only 20% of the greatness of BOTS is present in the current BoutCheetah.
My $0.02:
I think PvP/BvB exp should be drastically increased. You may say 'NO!! PEOPLE WILL ABUSE THAT AND LEVEL UP FAST!!'. Well, to that I say how is someone abusing PvP/BvB any different from getting a level 1, finding a friend that is 221, having them grind 228 in 2 minutes on hard and getting 10k exp. I'd rather have two revived modes that a small minority will abuse for exp than have one legitimately playable mode. For most people, I think, sector only has a limited amount of interest compared to the other two modes. I mean, for God's sake - you play the same identical thing EVERY time (which is the computer), when you could be playing against the other players of the game. I would take a game that everyone is maxed out in level and just PvP/BvBs much rather than a game with monotonous repetition of the same level, playing against the computer. How is that any different than a game in which it is easy to abuse the multiplayer part of the game? I mean, I don't even really know the rates in PvP/BvB as there is no one to ever play them in, but I know that they are not very high. What if you doubled, even tripled or quadrupled that amount? Especially in BvB, it is very difficult to get exp, which is why no on is ever in that mode. That would make GP and exp actually possible to attain in PvP, and you would actually have fun doing it. For example, an OK game of base would 15, maybe 20 minutes long. In that time, you would earn probably a few hundred, maybe a couple thousand (over-estimate), exp. If you spent 10 minutes of 228 on hard during 3x, you earn 40k+ exp, assuming you're taking 2.5 minutes each round. Because of this, there are virtually no new players (i.e. not from BOTS Acclaim) that want to spend a longer time obtaining almost no exp.
I think a reset of GP + 30 member limit would be best for guilds. It would probably be best to split the current amounts into some type of archived section, so that people that spent a lot of time would still have the proof of their hard work somewhere. However, now that BoutCheetah is much less hackable than before, the new GP amounts would be much more credible. A lower limit for max players in a guild would allow for more competition between guilds, as all of the more experienced players could not all be in a couple of guilds, so there would be more than two or three rivalries.
The market is beyond repair. +8 would be ridiculous, and when you have a paid section of the game, it is almost impossible to have a legitimate economic system. It just doesn't work.
Sooooo...... that's 4/5 ;o.
Example:
16:46 BvB game gives 110 exp
http://i48.tinypic.com/35lr9ky.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/35lr9ky.png)
1:38 Sector game, level 215 doing level 66 gives 120 exp
http://i48.tinypic.com/2rlyohi.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/2rlyohi.png)
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on July 03, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
I totally agree with Gavin's post a few pages back. All BoutCheetah is anymore is just grinding sector - I don't even really feel much nostalgia from Acclaim's BOTS, since, as Gavin said, only 20% of the greatness of BOTS is present in the current BoutCheetah.
My $0.02:
I think PvP/BvB exp should be drastically increased. You may say 'NO!! PEOPLE WILL ABUSE THAT AND LEVEL UP FAST!!'. Well, to that I say how is someone abusing PvP/BvB any different from getting a level 1, finding a friend that is 221, having them grind 228 in 2 minutes on hard and getting 10k exp. I'd rather have two revived modes that a small minority will abuse for exp than have one legitimately playable mode. For most people, I think, sector only has a limited amount of interest compared to the other two modes. I mean, for God's sake - you play the same identical thing EVERY time (which is the computer), when you could be playing against the other players of the game. I would take a game that everyone is maxed out in level and just PvP/BvBs much rather than a game with monotonous repetition of the same level, playing against the computer. How is that any different than a game in which it is easy to abuse the multiplayer part of the game? I mean, I don't even really know the rates in PvP/BvB as there is no one to ever play them in, but I know that they are not very high. What if you doubled, even tripled or quadrupled that amount? Especially in BvB, it is very difficult to get exp, which is why no on is ever in that mode. That would make GP and exp actually possible to attain in PvP, and you would actually have fun doing it. For example, an OK game of base would 15, maybe 20 minutes long. In that time, you would earn probably a few hundred, maybe a couple thousand (over-estimate), exp. If you spent 10 minutes of 228 on hard during 3x, you earn 40k+ exp, assuming you're taking 2.5 minutes each round. Because of this, there are virtually no new players (i.e. not from BOTS Acclaim) that want to spend a longer time obtaining almost no exp.
I think a reset of GP + 30 member limit would be best for guilds. It would probably be best to split the current amounts into some type of archived section, so that people that spent a lot of time would still have the proof of their hard work somewhere. However, now that BoutCheetah is much less hackable than before, the new GP amounts would be much more credible. A lower limit for max players in a guild would allow for more competition between guilds, as all of the more experienced players could not all be in a couple of guilds, so there would be more than two or three rivalries.
The market is beyond repair. +8 would be ridiculous, and when you have a paid section of the game, it is almost impossible to have a legitimate economic system. It just doesn't work.
Sooooo...... that's 4/5 ;o.
You are very clever, I totally agreed with you in the PvP/BvB rates increase part but Idk if it can get implemented, it would be fun, tho..
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on July 03, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
I totally agree with Gavin's post a few pages back. All BoutCheetah is anymore is just grinding sector - I don't even really feel much nostalgia from Acclaim's BOTS, since, as Gavin said, only 20% of the greatness of BOTS is present in the current BoutCheetah.
My $0.02:
I think PvP/BvB exp should be drastically increased. You may say 'NO!! PEOPLE WILL ABUSE THAT AND LEVEL UP FAST!!'. Well, to that I say how is someone abusing PvP/BvB any different from getting a level 1, finding a friend that is 221, having them grind 228 in 2 minutes on hard and getting 10k exp. I'd rather have two revived modes that a small minority will abuse for exp than have one legitimately playable mode. For most people, I think, sector only has a limited amount of interest compared to the other two modes. I mean, for God's sake - you play the same identical thing EVERY time (which is the computer), when you could be playing against the other players of the game. I would take a game that everyone is maxed out in level and just PvP/BvBs much rather than a game with monotonous repetition of the same level, playing against the computer. How is that any different than a game in which it is easy to abuse the multiplayer part of the game? I mean, I don't even really know the rates in PvP/BvB as there is no one to ever play them in, but I know that they are not very high. What if you doubled, even tripled or quadrupled that amount? Especially in BvB, it is very difficult to get exp, which is why no on is ever in that mode. That would make GP and exp actually possible to attain in PvP, and you would actually have fun doing it. For example, an OK game of base would 15, maybe 20 minutes long. In that time, you would earn probably a few hundred, maybe a couple thousand (over-estimate), exp. If you spent 10 minutes of 228 on hard during 3x, you earn 40k+ exp, assuming you're taking 2.5 minutes each round. Because of this, there are virtually no new players (i.e. not from BOTS Acclaim) that want to spend a longer time obtaining almost no exp.
I think a reset of GP + 30 member limit would be best for guilds. It would probably be best to split the current amounts into some type of archived section, so that people that spent a lot of time would still have the proof of their hard work somewhere. However, now that BoutCheetah is much less hackable than before, the new GP amounts would be much more credible. A lower limit for max players in a guild would allow for more competition between guilds, as all of the more experienced players could not all be in a couple of guilds, so there would be more than two or three rivalries.
The market is beyond repair. +8 would be ridiculous, and when you have a paid section of the game, it is almost impossible to have a legitimate economic system. It just doesn't work.
Sooooo...... that's 4/5 ;o.
Example:
16:46 BvB game gives 110 exp
http://i48.tinypic.com/35lr9ky.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/35lr9ky.png)
1:38 Sector game, level 215 doing level 66 gives 120 exp
http://i48.tinypic.com/2rlyohi.png (http://i48.tinypic.com/2rlyohi.png)
Totally agree with Jeff here.
Jeff has good idea ;)
actually read all that horry shi-
why is it that people only listen when someone with good grammar writes a paragraph :(
people have been suggesting more exp for pvp and bvb for aeons now >:(
Quote from: KillerPig on July 04, 2012, 09:27:31 AM
actually read all that horry shi-
why is it that people only listen when someone with good grammar writes a paragraph :(
people have been suggesting more exp for pvp and bvb for aeons now >:(
in italian its different aha
I think this is a pointless topic now, lock time.
@ ENES- Wait.. So you are telling me that after I had to leave ROSS ONLY LASTED FOR 4 MORE MINUTES....
/facetree. >_______________>
'ello corr ;)
Quote from: Corr on July 04, 2012, 03:32:32 PM
@ ENES- Wait.. So you are telling me that after I had to leave ROSS ONLY LASTED FOR 4 MORE MINUTES....
/facetree. >_______________>
Naw, I have pics that show our base had HP left and yours was dead, but it didn't kill your base :(. Ross is just that ****ing good...
Not that ancient yet, still know whats best for game/has all his marbles.
Honestly, I'm surprised you're only disappointed now. The whole guild system in Bots is just pathetic. Ranking a guild by points is a really stupid concept. All it does is show how much people play the game in the first place. You want guilds to be competitive over points? Imo, a guild should be competitive within itself over a specific game mode (sector, PvP, BvB). At least that way, the players actually do something interesting, have fun, and get better at the game.
/bai
Quote from: Epic xD on July 05, 2012, 02:53:21 AM
Honestly, I'm surprised you're only disappointed now. The whole guild system in Bots is just pathetic. Ranking a guild by points is a really stupid concept. All it does is show how much people play the game in the first place. You want guilds to be competitive over points? Imo, a guild should be competitive within itself over a specific game mode (sector, PvP, BvB). At least that way, the players actually do something interesting, have fun, and get better at the game.
/bai
one step at a time. bc can't handle excellency.
Quote from: Epic xD on July 05, 2012, 02:53:21 AM
Imo, a guild should be competitive within itself over a specific game mode (sector, PvP, BvB).
wtf ur suggestion is worse than the current one
U literally just said players in a guild should be competing with each other
Why not? Competing with fellow guild mates allows you to play a game mode and become better at it. When I played Evo, I really only played BvB with people in cb420swag because people outside of that guild were terrible (and still are).
Quote from: Epic xD on July 06, 2012, 01:42:25 AM
Why not? Competing with fellow guild mates allows you to play a game mode and become better at it. When I played Evo, I really only played BvB with people in cb420swag because people outside of that guild were terrible (and still are).
I have to agree with this. Its really fun to have guild pvp matches or base matches together and help eachother improve your skills.