After months, we in Administration have finally thought of a few ways that could possibly fix our overpowered Bot Stract issue.
We have multiple great ideas, many from you players in my suggestions (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,20891.0.html) thread, and have come up with a list of some ideas that could be implemented.
Please read through every idea before giving your opinion, as I'm taking every single one of your opinions into consideration when making this big decision.
First off, we have the "Fuel" idea.
In this idea, bot stract will be treated as a fuel, fueling your bot with the power it needs to gain the bonus it gives you.
This is the most logical idea, as it's just plain unrealistic to just gain the power without any fuel to do so.
In this idea, you will lose .7% of your bot stract every game.
.7% seems so large when it comes to big numbers, but you must remember that realistically, to give a higher bonus requires more fuel, thus more is lost when you reach higher numbers.
For example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain a large stat bonus in-game, however you will use up .7% of your bot stract, which is 18,069 stract. As a result, you'll have 2,563,279 at the end of your game.
However, if you only have 9,283 bot stract, you will only lose 65 bot stract, resulting in 9,218 bot stract at the end of your game. -iwasbobo
In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim
Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim
And then, of course, there's the option to do both ideas.
This means, swap the bonus to HP whilst also burning some stract every game.
I'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.
Fuel
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.
And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim
Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim
Those two ideas combined.
If this isn't possible, only the HP idea then.
If the fuel idea will be implemented there will be a huge drama.
HP Idea doesn't OP too much but is still a nice bonus.
Edit: Fuel idea doesn't really solve everything since you can still do 2,3k gun dmg in pvp...
Of course they looste the BS from time to time but people who do good buisness easily earn BS after loosing it again.
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.
And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.
^ That all of you who means HP is too OP. I vote both since Hawk isn't paying me as I wanted it.
If Both then HP won't be that OP again.
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.
And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.
Of course it is. But the only way to stop people from complaining is to have something be OP. Then you get the other players complain that its OP. You guys messed up by implementing it in the first place. Atleast with the fuel idea you could argue "Being op comes with a price".
Fuel.
I can't believe people are being such BS addicts. I have 2,2m BS on low and I will gladly give it up to make this game more equal. I just want it to be equal to all and not to be forced to use Surge. I wanna use Patch and Ram but Surge is so OP that it's useless to use the two other bot types. Stop being so selfish.
I vote for both. Based on what Hj said.
Fuel.
If it gets fuel I suggest 10% bs each game.
I dislike the idea of "fuel", because it uses up bs. For me, power and bonus really does not matter in this game. it will be unfair in pvp and in sector once yu reach max level, would exchanging bs for fuel really do anything much ?
The idea of hp is the same the system except different stat increase and max limit. If you are a good sector bot, hp doens't really matter because there will be at least one hp up or rebirth in the game. Seriously? just get better in the game
If this system were to be implemented, there should at least be a turn on or off button as not everyone wants to use bs as a fuel, well not all the time.
I vote for both ideas (Fuel+HP) to be implemented. I believe this would be more satisfactory toward both the people with tons of BS and those with only small amounts.
While the Fuel idea could help in the short term, it'll wear out the effects of BS in the long term. The HP idea wouldn't help out with depleting and cycling the BS much but it provides better chances for the poorer people to benefit.
I vote for fuel, the health bonus seems like it's only good in absolutely massive quantities.
Fuel + Health, in that situation it'll get rid of any possible real op'ness, because the only bonus it will give is to make your chance of living longer better; on top of that there will no longer be any differentiation between the bonuses for the bot types, so no one will be able to take advantage of anything that someone else can't. Finally when you add the fuel in to it you make it so every round you are risking an amount of your bs, so people would be more careful about using it, and there'd be less to go around.
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 30, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
Fuel + Health, in that situation it'll get rid of any possible real op'ness, because the only bonus it will give is to make your chance of living longer better; on top of that there will no longer be any differentiation between the bonuses for the bot types, so no one will be able to take advantage of anything that someone else can't. Finally when you add the fuel in to it you make it so every round you are risking an amount of your bs, so people would be more careful about using it, and there'd be less to go around.
This made me change my mind, I vote for fuel + health.
Fuel. :-X
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.
I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.
I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.
Quote from: xbaras on December 31, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.
I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.
I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.
.7%..
And you fail to see how it goes.
10 games isn't .7% x 10 = 7% of your bot stract gone.
It's .7% of your current stract.
Also, the activate fuel thing is retarded.
Choose between losing bot stract or not losing it without any other variables.
I can't believe you'd even suggest that.
Both could work hand in hand together.
Soo +1 for both.
Fuel. :P
Fuel exchange!
Fuel but no buying it with gigas..
Both of the ideas, becasue these solutions literally solve the BS issue we had.
The HP bonus won't harm anyone, and the fuel idea will keep the amount of BS balanced.
Great suggestions.
HP bonus
Fuel(will be wasted little by little each game)
Fuel exchange(people will have to waste their gigas to buy bs after they are out of bs,and if they are out of gigas,they will need to grind more)
My oipinion is the Giga suggestion.
Gigas are easy yo gain,and the more Gigas we gain, the more BS we'll gain.
But if the Giga suggestion will be made, the bonuses of the BS will remain the same?
Quote from: xbaras on December 31, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.
I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.
I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.
I agree with xbaras..
fuel + hp mixed togheter. thanks bobo! and grim ::)
people are underrating how OP hp will make a person lol
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:09:33 AM
people are underrating how OP hp will make a person lol
Not really, someone that suck at pvp will still suck at pvp after you give them more hp, the round will just last longer. o-o
people who own at pvp with more hp will be invincible tho
give opti +2000 hp and it'd be enough so that he could beat me 100% of the time imo instead of just 50%
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:29:25 AM
people who own at pvp with more hp will be invincible tho
give opti +2000 hp and it'd be enough so that he could beat me 100% of the time imo instead of just 50%
So it ensures that people that are good at pvp have a defense against lag and such, pretty much o-o; it's more of a reward
i don't understand what you're saying but anyway i vote for fuel
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:40:08 AM
i don't understand what you're saying but anyway i vote for fuel
I'm saying it'll give more to it's original purpose, it'll be a reward for those that love pvp o-o
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay
thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:42:52 AM
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay
thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~
the max hp a person could even get added would be 6k, 2k could make no one invincible in sector, and it'd only make a person invincible in pvp if they were actually good o-o
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:46:01 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:42:52 AM
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay
thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~
it'd only make a person invincible in pvp if they were actually good o-o
this is my point though? lol
Just stating the factors right now. I'm neutral on this issue as it has no effect on my playing experience atm.
First off, besides some people being able to do sector easily, bot stract has NO EFFECT in PVP.
Second, Fueling Idea
Cons:if the fuel idea is implemented, then regardless how we play, poor players will never be able to buy bot stract with gigas because every game people lose some, then has to buy more with 5 mil gigas and without a large about of botstract, the bonuses don't exactly matter. If you think about it, how many red boxes do you need to get 1 mil gigas? How many games is that? If your speaking low lvl, forget 1 mil for 10 games...if ur high lvl with a full room of luckies, that's 1 mil per about 5 games. 25 games to buy 10k bot stract. So, most people won't be able to use bs anyway or it isn't of significant bonuses. Same as eliminating bs.
Pros: Yes, it makes everyone have a more balanced bs amount. Everyone will have a low amount regardless how they play. Unless they buy gigas from Zylon with cash. Now, in this way, bs has a insignificant role to the game, without a large amount bs it is pointless and fueling system makes having large amounts consistently impossible, hence everyone is balanced.
Third: Hp Idea
Pros: Yay, more hp = person has about 40% more health AND DURABILITY than others. Great for pvp and pve. PVP= most likely win
PVE= u can stand there and let mobs hit u and u wont die for a minute... Hp is great support for either roles. Doesn't have too much effect in pve as it doesnt rly matter, u just last longer... Pvp wise u have a much higher chance of winning.
Cons: More hp in sector - who cares...? Pvp= yes more hp = overpowered, as others can outlast u in terms of durability. However, most people already have large amounts of bs and hence they will take over the game in PVP ONLY. Btw - Most people that pvp are skilled and can at least spam the jump and hit button...
Fourth: Both Fueling and Hp
Pros:
Sectoring - No one will use Bs cuz it isn't worth it.
Pvp: People will buy Bs in a moderated quantity for extra hp. but only once in a while because the bs will return to 0 after a while, then they gotta grind without bs in sector again for another session of overpowering others in PVP and having the skill to pvp isn't a problem...regardless how skilled, if you can't outlast someone, its much harder to win.
Cons: I don't see alot of cons. but this means making botstract's role in the game very limited. It makes Bs and Overpowering others in PVP a Temporary Bought Privilege that everyone has but has to earn. Buy the bonus to fight at ur max hp stat, if not fight normal pvp.
Hope this highlights the key points of these suggestions.
P.S. - I am not a bs user. I have almost none xd and I really never cared about it hence I am neutral.
- Rikshaku
Quote from: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 05:47:36 AM
Just stating the factors right now. I'm neutral on this issue as it has no effect on my playing experience atm.
First off, besides some people being able to do sector easily, bot stract has NO EFFECT in PVP.
Second, Fueling Idea
Cons:if the fuel idea is implemented, then regardless how we play, poor players will never be able to buy bot stract with gigas because every game people lose some, then has to buy more with 5 mil gigas and without a large about of botstract, the bonuses don't exactly matter. If you think about it, how many red boxes do you need to get 1 mil gigas? How many games is that? If your speaking low lvl, forget 1 mil for 10 games...if ur high lvl with a full room of luckies, that's 1 mil per about 5 games. 25 games to buy 10k bot stract. So, most people won't be able to use bs anyway or it isn't of significant bonuses. Same as eliminating bs.
Pros: Yes, it makes everyone have a more balanced bs amount. Everyone will have a low amount regardless how they play. Unless they buy gigas from Zylon with cash. Now, in this way, bs has a insignificant role to the game, without a large amount bs it is pointless and fueling system makes having large amounts consistently impossible, hence everyone is balanced.
Third: Hp Idea
Pros: Yay, more hp = person has about 40% more health AND DURABILITY than others. Great for pvp and pve. PVP= most likely win
PVE= u can stand there and let mobs hit u and u wont die for a minute... Hp is great support for either roles. Doesn't have too much effect in pve as it doesnt rly matter, u just last longer... Pvp wise u have a much higher chance of winning.
Cons: More hp in sector - who cares...? Pvp= yes more hp = overpowered, as others can outlast u in terms of durability. However, most people already have large amounts of bs and hence they will take over the game in PVP ONLY.
Fourth: Both Fueling and Hp
Pros:
Sectoring - No one will use Bs cuz it isn't worth it.
Pvp: People will buy Bs in a moderated quantity for extra hp. but only once in a while because the bs will return to 0 after a while, then they gotta grind without bs in sector again for another session of overpowering others in PVP.
Cons: I don't see alot of cons. but this means making botstract's role in the game very limited. It makes Bs and Overpowering others in PVP a Temporary Bought Privilege that everyone has but has to earn. Buy the bonus to fight at ur max hp stat, if not fight normal pvp.
Hope this highlights the key points of these suggestions.
P.S. - I am not a bs user. I have almost none xd and I really never cared about it hence I am neutral.
- Rikshaku
I like this guy, where's his medal?
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.
The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.
The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.
QuoteI'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.
lrn2lastline
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.
The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.
QuoteI'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.
lrn2lastline
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Ima go practice that.
imo Tricky is completely misunderstanding the concept, and overthinking it.
I think he's dead wrong but I won't debate in this thread, an opinion is an opinion.
I also think Zepher's method of debating Tricky on the issue was completely tangent to Tricky's original claim..so with that I say shut up -- this isn't a debate thread, it's a vote thread.
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?
Quote from: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:11:02 AM
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?
Completely tangent?
Glad to see you support 3k gun damage.
lolk I vote for HP because with +6000 HP i'd be unbeatable by everyone in the entire game for when I get 3 mil BS kthx
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:11:02 AM
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?
Completely tangent?
Glad to see you support 3k gun damage.
Words i typed? Ok, if you see them, im sure i didn't support any idea.
meh i dont like both..
hp idea is shit cuz its still gonna be op
only good one is fuel
._. Did anyone even try reading my earlier post...or did "most" of you just reply without knowing previous posts, I worked on that post so people would have a easier time to make up their mind...please read it if your serious about discussing...: (
Quote from: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 06:34:02 AM
._. Did anyone even try reading my earlier post...or did "most" of you just reply without knowing previous posts, I worked on that post so people would have a easier time to make up their mind...please read it if your serious about discussing...: (
If you want honesty, I read it all, I couldn't understand 10% of it, I disagreed with 70% of it, so I skipped over the post.
Don't really care but Imma say HP.
It's about replacing the OP'ness of Meto + 3m BS. When you think about the sollutions you must think whats more OP. BS + Meto or 2k more HP for some players.
I vote for all 3.
HP + Exchange + Fuel would mean that in the end there will be only a few BS and a few Gigas, putting an end to all the OP players.
only HP or only fuel but not both
when only fuel: 7% losing each game is alot for low lvls, let it start with losing 1%, and every 20 lvls 1% extra so when your lv 120 it reaches max limit of losing 7% and then you'll start making profit too, not losing it all.
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
5 minutes.
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?
Monday.
healt+fuel
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?
Monday.
Okay. Makes sence after all.
Both. I gave my reasons in-game yesterday.
I just worked it out.
If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk
just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L
People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.
So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...
Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.
If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk
just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L
People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.
So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...
Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
Nobody even listens to Allie. She said that it doesn't have to be 6k HP and what is more OP Bonzo. Meto + 5k ra or 6k extra HP.
The BS for gigas was suggested but it will go against the fact that Allie and Santa wanted less Gigas in-game.
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
Luck? not a bad idea o.o but what luck:bs ratio are you concidering? 1k bs = 1 luck? yay I have 3645 luck now! but even then, still not a bad Idea o.o
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
+999 i want (E) parts
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
both, what about also adding the bs effects to TG too?
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
The economy is already ruined ? -.-
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.
Either that or actually just make BS add luck. That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely. Just my opinion.
lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
The economy is already ruined ? -.-
That's why there are the fuel and the bs exchange ideas.
Yeah true lol.
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.
If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk
just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L
People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.
So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...
Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
cry more whore
Quote from: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.
If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk
just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L
People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.
So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...
Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
cry more whore
useless post is useless
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.
If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk
just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L
People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.
So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...
Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
cry more whore
useless post is useless
dis very useful instead
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Can't you just make it so you can use bot stact to change you IGN or bot type etc? im sure people would preffer that instead
or you could sell skills/ cash mercs in the shop for bot stract :P
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..
This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P
I personally hate this idea "fuel".
Quote from: Mod Robo on January 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..
This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P
I personally hate this idea "fuel".
Dude, you need gigas to get BS, not $.
I think you misunderstood the "Fuel" idea.
Quote from: Energized on January 01, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: Mod Robo on January 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..
This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P
I personally hate this idea "fuel".
Dude, you need gigas to get BS, not $.
I think you misunderstood the "Fuel" idea.
no. i just did suggest another suggestion.
because i dislike the "fuel" idea.
HP Fuel
The fuel Idea is effin brilliant!! :3
But i say in the info section of ur bot u can change gauges that change the amount of bs used for each stat, so u can choose how much power u get from bs over how mcuh u burn each game, and the gauges r used so if u dont trans, u can change it so u dont get extra trans attack and defense and u get more attack/gun attack or something in that area:P
Wow! In my opinion this is the worst idea ever in BC. People have actually worked hard for their bot- stract (including me). Yes this might sounds selfish but c'mon how unfair and ruinous...
This reminds me of the hyperinflation in Germany 1920. After the loss in world war 1. When they printed loads of new money (German Mark) and all previous savings became wortless!!
Im saying, dont make way to big changes! :/
Nothing should be changed besides MORE BS = MORE HP ON MOBS AND BOSS.
0.7% is too much..
what if i have 1 mil bs. do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?
who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..
0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..
Quote from: make2001 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:17 AM
0.7% is too much..
what if i have 1 mil bs. do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?
who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..
0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..
I'm guessing you're 10.
*Looks at username*
ya, 10.
You can get more bs by either pvping, buying from other players, exchanging it with gigas or begging. I think this is a brillant idea to lower the amount of bs and gigas in the market.
If you guys think this is a bad idea, why don't you guys think up of something even better than this idea. You can't satisfy everyone with ideas so if you think life always go your way, think again.
please give a reason other than 'OP IS GOOD LEAVE WAY IT IS"
2 stupid suggestions i think tbh....
Should of made poll.....
And when is this voting going to end ?
Quote from: Shadow on January 02, 2012, 05:03:20 PM
Should of made poll.....
And when is this voting going to end ?
Poll = people could vote on multiple accounts.
And the voting will end Monday.. Today..
Quote from: Eat4two on January 02, 2012, 03:40:04 AM
Wow! In my opinion this is the worst idea ever in BC. People have actually worked hard for their bot- stract (including me). Yes this might sounds selfish but c'mon how unfair and ruinous...
This reminds me of the hyperinflation in Germany 1920. After the loss in world war 1. When they printed loads of new money (German Mark) and all previous savings became wortless!!
Im saying, dont make way to big changes! :/
Except we're not putting more BS into the economy we're trying to get rid of it.
People don't get that we are trying to ger rid of it. Not get more...
i dont see how this is gonna work...
lets say someone has only 10 bs. after every game they only lose .007 bs? sooner or later its just gonna become -0 lol
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
i dont see how this is gonna work...
lets say someone has only 10 bs. after every game they only lose .007 bs? sooner or later its just gonna become -0 lol
Rounding ?
.007 rounds to 0 ;o
unless it like rounds to 1... either way people would just gift all their bs to their alt, wait until that 10 bs runs out, then gift 10 more, repeat
^10 bs is nothing anyways. Isn't like 1hp=100 bs?
That's not even any stat boost whatsoever soo idk :/
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 02, 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Quote from: make2001 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:17 AM
0.7% is too much..
what if i have 1 mil bs. do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?
who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..
0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..
I'm guessing you're 10.
*Looks at username*
ya, 10.
lelll
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
.007 rounds to 0 ;o
unless it like rounds to 1... either way people would just gift all their bs to their alt, wait until that 10 bs runs out, then gift 10 more, repeat
What benefit is 10 BS going to give you... lol
im talking about the fuel thing o.o
edit: oh... well shit.
my bad i completely misunderstood the fuel idea. >_>
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
After months, we in Administration have finally thought of a few ways that could possibly fix our overpowered Bot Stract issue.
We have multiple great ideas, many from you players in my suggestions (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,20891.0.html) thread, and have come up with a list of some ideas that could be implemented.
Please read through every idea before giving your opinion, as I'm taking every single one of your opinions into consideration when making this big decision.
First off, we have the "Fuel" idea.
In this idea, bot stract will be treated as a fuel, fueling your bot with the power it needs to gain the bonus it gives you.
This is the most logical idea, as it's just plain unrealistic to just gain the power without any fuel to do so.
In this idea, you will lose .7% of your bot stract every game.
.7% seems so large when it comes to big numbers, but you must remember that realistically, to give a higher bonus requires more fuel, thus more is lost when you reach higher numbers.
For example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain a large stat bonus in-game, however you will use up .7% of your bot stract, which is 18,069 stract. As a result, you'll have 2,563,279 at the end of your game.
However, if you only have 9,283 bot stract, you will only lose 65 bot stract, resulting in 9,218 bot stract at the end of your game. -iwasbobo
In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim
Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim
And then, of course, there's the option to do both ideas.
This means, swap the bonus to HP whilst also burning some stract every game.
I'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.
Great Ideas!, I'd want the first idea ("Fuel" idea.) Great one.
^wtf y does this guy still have GM in his name...
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
^wtf y does this guy still have GM in his name...
Tricky said something about him. He couldn't ban him since his name was GM or something. I heard of him before.
Allie said it would be end at Monday. So I will look forward to seeing the result :)
GM Sam, please read the Pm that I have just sent to you.
Thanks.
~RedEyes.