#prayforparis
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**** ISIS
cringe
Why cringe
Quote from: Mario666 on November 14, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on November 14, 2015, 09:13:12 PM
cringe
Quote from: Purple on November 14, 2015, 10:05:25 PM
Why cringe
Probably because, while sympathetic and sad that humanity is the way it is, I'd rather 'mourn/grieve/pray' privately, some people dislike public displays n all that jazz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: Yz on November 14, 2015, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Mario666 on November 14, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on November 14, 2015, 09:13:12 PM
cringe
Quote from: Purple on November 14, 2015, 10:05:25 PM
Why cringe
Probably because, while sympathetic and sad that humanity is the way it is, I'd rather 'mourn/grieve/pray' privately, some people dislike public displays n all that jazz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I get that, just felt like saying cringe was a bit disrespectful considering the events that took place. I suppose I felt as though they should've just not posted, as posting 'cringe', and even worse just quoting what someone else has posted, makes it seem like they don't care about the situation.
just me tho
My opinion is that we don't need Twitter hashtags and 1000s of pictures to show sympathy when something horrible has happened.
I feel like, as sad as it is, things like that just feed peoples wish to be trendy, and let people take advantage of an opportunity to publicly display themselves as kind and sympathetic. They say the people affected "are in their hearts and prayers" when they really only end up in their tweets, statuses, and Instagram posts, only to be forgotten about a week later.
I posted the quote of "cringe" in response to "plasmodium posting a thread on Pray for Paris," not to what happened in Paris.
Quote from: Mario666 on November 15, 2015, 12:35:10 AM
My opinion is that we don't need Twitter hashtags and 1000s of pictures to show sympathy when something horrible has happened.
I feel like, as sad as it is, things like that just feed peoples wish to be trendy, and let people take advantage of an opportunity to publicly display themselves as kind and sympathetic. They say the people affected "are in their hearts and prayers" when they really only end up in their tweets, statuses, and Instagram posts, only to be forgotten about a week later.
I posted the quote of "cringe" in response to "plasmodium posting a thread on Pray for Paris," not to what happened in Paris.
Completely understand where you're coming from.
why pray for paris
u really think religion will make it better
religion is what caused the attacks
religion makes the world a scary place and people using religion to try and make it better
thats why i think its stupid
how about donate for paris
https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation (https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation)
Quote from: Cooky on November 15, 2015, 11:08:11 AM
religion is what caused the attacks
Lets not confuse the actions by a group of extremists, who happen to be "Muslim" and use "Islam" as an excuse to kill, as justification that religion triggered this tragic event. Every religion will have their extremists, and as the Christian Crusades did in the 12th to 14th century, the claim that they've killed someone in the name of their religion and God is a false validation of their actions. To that extent, it wasn't their religion that drove them to commit these actions; it was their affiliations and conscious choice to use the weapon.
To blame a religion for the murder of hundreds of people is simply unfair. No prominent religion in the world promotes the use of violence. People promote and commit the violence. People who want control (i.e. Churches stemming out of the Dark Ages), and unfortunately we have yet to fully make a break-away from this concept of preaching in religious conversations and buildings.
Have you lived amongst muslims? Because I certainly have. After living in Dubai for 10 years, I have come to learn that not only is it legitimately unfair to say if someone shouts something in Arabic or any similar dialect, or if someonme says "inshallah" they're going to blow me up. It simply means "By God's Grace". In the same way, while allah Aktbar is a thing terrorists shout, it does not automatically mean it is for religious reasons. Not legitimate ones anyway. (Again, The Templars are a fine allusion of falsely using religion to kill).
They're falsely attaching their religion to the issue. Islam does not promote violence. No Religion does. So I ask you this, how does it connect to religion? I could easily claim and say "I smacked someone across the head in the name of christianity" - that doesn't mean I do it because I've got a genuine religious motive. Your slight case of islamophobia is exactly what the terrorists want. The more people hate on them, the more points they have to rally up followers of islam, and Muslims to fight their cause. You have literally fallen into their trap.
You're welcome to hate religions, that's entirely fine. But to so easily blame a religion for something is painting it with a very broad brush. Blaming religion is a simple scape goat, especially in an argument like this. If you removed religion from the equation, they would still have shot the people up, but simply would have used a different label.
ISIS claimed to these attacks. You cannot for a moment believe ISIS is a legitimate representation of Islam. If you do, then I'm sorry, you need to go and understand what Islam is. That, above all else, is what's ignorant in this matter.
I'm a strong believer that the actions of a few does not define an entire religion. Its pretty much common sense. If muslim terrorists bomb Paris it doesn't mean all muslim are terrorists. But just cause not everybody who believes in that religion does end up committing terrorists attacks doesn't mean the few who made this attack didn't do it for religious motives. They shouted allahu akbar as they committed the attacks. Thats Islamic for 'god is the greatest'. So yeah while it sounds nice to sit there and say it was only a few bad eggs and religion isn't to blame - just a few using religious motives to do bad things is still worth blaming religion for in the same way people blame guns for the times when someone shoots up a school. You can disagree, thats fine. Its certainly a controversial issue. But to call my argument 'unfair' is just plain ignorant.
Quote from: Cooky on November 15, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
I'm a strong believer that the actions of a few does not define an entire religion. Its pretty much common sense. If muslim terrorists bomb Paris it doesn't mean all muslim are terrorists. But just cause not everybody who believes in that religion does end up committing terrorists attacks doesn't mean the few who made this attack didn't do it for religious motives. They shouted allahu akbar as they committed the attacks. Thats Islamic for 'god is the greatest'. So yeah while it sounds nice to sit there and say it was only a few bad eggs and religion isn't to blame - just a few using religious motives to do bad things is still worth blaming religion for in the same way people blame guns for the times when someone shoots up a school. You can disagree, thats fine. Its certainly a controversial issue. But to call my argument 'unfair' is just plain ignorant.
Blaming a religion is the stupidest thing I've heard in my whole life. Guns using as an example even more, those things are made by humans think about what you are saying. That's like giving the fault to your couch for having pain in your back. You choose yourself to sit in a way that makes your back hurt (Just using a example). All they do is using religion as an excuse to justify there own actions. The mind of these "creatures" are not the same as you and I. You think that if religion didn't exist these things wouldn't happen anymore? If you do then you are the ignorant one.
I don't understand why you have to blame it at something when the fault is at humanity itself.
R.I.P. My thoughts go out to the family & friends of lost ones.
I do blame humanity. But I also put a lot of blame on religion because that is the motive behind all of these attacks. You can't deny it. But I'm not trying to just hate on religion. That is not how I meant to come across. But rather point out how silly it is to go to religion for help after a terrorist attack motivated by religion just happened. Its times like these where religion really sucks. And to pray about it just seems silly to me. its like shooting some rounds at the firing range in honor of school shooting victims. I think you all misinterpreted what I said as a whole and you're all focusing on one line. Dont pray for paris. Donate. Thats how you can help.
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Quote from: Cooky on November 15, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
I do blame humanity. But I also put a lot of blame on religion because that is the motive behind all of these attacks. You can't deny it. But I'm not trying to just hate on religion. That is not how I meant to come across. But rather point out how silly it is to go to religion for help after a terrorist attack motivated by religion just happened. Its times like these where religion really sucks. And to pray about it just seems silly to me. its like shooting some rounds at the firing range in honor of school shooting victims. I think you all misinterpreted what I said as a whole and you're all focusing on one line. Dont pray for paris. Donate. Thats how you can help.
Well yeah, I don't give a damn about how silly you think praying is, so no need for me to comment on that. I meant to focus on just one line. I've already stated what I think about that line no need to do that again.
i dont think praying is silly I think its silly to be praying instead of donating when something like this happens
im giving this too much attention. not replying anymore
yeah while you're at it also pray for:
-lebanon bombing
-beirut bombing
-japan earthquake
-mexico earthquake
all happened the same day. what happened is bad, it's just that media go apeshit over paris because people are more familiar with it (and can empathize with it better)=more public support to bomb isis. which isn't bad, but changing your facebook profile pic to the colors of france is the same as "1like=1 prayer"
donate and take some time to understand what actually happened and how you can make a difference instead of hopping the bandwagon.
I find it highly disrespectful that some people on here are arguing regrading Paris.