As I walk to my coffee shop just down the hill from me I see at least 3 to 6 homeless men/women trying to sleep on the unconformable concrete ground. Waking up with aches and pain. I'm just tired of watching people ignore them like they are a piece of trash. In my perspective I literally give money to a homeless man/women for a hotel or a Motel room. I did this recently a month ago and it really mad me feel like a person that was so unimaginable I couldn't even explain it. For you that don't understand me I am trying to say it doesn't hurt to help anyone in need of it. There is a number of you make yourself, but you really got to look at it in the good side. It doesn't matter if you got 50 cents or 1 dollar give it to the person who needs it the most (a Homeless). Trust me you will feel great inside and you will look good from the outside.
Once i gave 5 dollars to a homeless person, Then 30 minutes later i saw him at the store, buying beer, with the money i gave him. (i think)
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:00:57 AM
Once i gave 5 dollars to a homeless person, Then 30 minutes later i saw him at the store, buying beer, with the money i gave him. (i think)
Doesn't matter what they buy as long as they got someone that they can foresee your respect towards them.
Quote from: Expo on September 08, 2011, 03:13:40 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:00:57 AM
Once i gave 5 dollars to a homeless person, Then 30 minutes later i saw him at the store, buying beer, with the money i gave him. (i think)
Doesn't matter what they buy as long as they got someone that they can foresee your respect towards them.
"Doesn't matter what they buy" LOL oh ya that's caring for the homeless.
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Quote from: asmit10 on September 08, 2011, 03:15:13 AM
Quote from: Expo on September 08, 2011, 03:13:40 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:00:57 AM
Once i gave 5 dollars to a homeless person, Then 30 minutes later i saw him at the store, buying beer, with the money i gave him. (i think)
Doesn't matter what they buy as long as they got someone that they can foresee your respect towards them.
"Doesn't matter what they buy" LOL oh ya that's caring for the homeless.
I'm trying to say as long as they are happy :)
Quote from: Expo on September 08, 2011, 03:13:40 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:00:57 AM
Once i gave 5 dollars to a homeless person, Then 30 minutes later i saw him at the store, buying beer, with the money i gave him. (i think)
Doesn't matter what they buy as long as they got someone that they can foresee your respect towards them.
... So if you give them money and they buy drugs with it, thats good? k.
I was homeless at 14 yrs old, lucky i had some friends to help out with food. I slept in the roof of a big bus shelter, bad times. I have to admit, most homeless today are there because of drink/drugs, then they just get stuck in a spiral of no hope crap. If no-one tries to help them, they are screwed.
I don't know about whats happening there, but here there are a lot of jobs that can help you make some money, not too much but you can make some money.
They refuse to work because some people have mercy and give them money.
They earn a lot of money, and they don't really do anything useful with them.
They only buy beers and drugs, the same that made them become homeless.
When I go to school I see some people begging for money in the center of the city and when I return I see the same people buying alcohol.
That happens because they loose hope and they are too lazy to do anything else than begging for money.
Yes, there are people who got there because of other reasons and they really need our help, but most of them are there because of drugs and alcohol.
The moral of the story here is..
Make shit with your life and leech off others when you don't feel like fixing it.
Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2011, 08:31:34 AM
The moral of the story here is..
Make shit with your life and leech off others when you don't feel like fixing it.
Well thats the main reason most people who live on the streets stay on the streets
can't believe some of you can be so insensitive lol i've been homeless like 2-3 times because of other peoples mistakes and it doesnt feel good to ask a stranger for money its shameful and can be awkward as **** especially when they go "lol no u'll use this for drugs"
and if they just go and buy beer, ever thought about them trying to drink away a load of depression? it's not like they are happy with their lives unless we're talking about the homeless thieves who make a lot of money and just move around the world scamming people ;o
Quote from: Tricky on September 08, 2011, 11:41:54 AM
can't believe some of you can be so insensitive lol i've been homeless like 2-3 times because of other peoples mistakes and it doesnt feel good to ask a stranger for money its shameful and can be awkward as **** especially when they go "lol no u'll use this for drugs"
and if they just go and buy beer, ever thought about them trying to drink away a load of depression? it's not like they are happy with their lives unless we're talking about the homeless thieves who make a lot of money and just move around the world scamming people ;o
If you get homeless again Trixy, you can stay at my place as long as you want for sure!
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Around 99% of the homeless in my country chose to be homeless, they where all offered a place to stay and live. Maybe not good place to stay, but way better than staying on the streets. I will properly never give out money to the homeless. If I where to do so, I would do it through charity, cause I know that they where offered better than the streets. The once that are poor in my country is using the money on drugs and alcoholic.
Quote from: Tricky on September 08, 2011, 11:41:54 AM
can't believe some of you can be so insensitive lol i've been homeless like 2-3 times because of other peoples mistakes and it doesnt feel good to ask a stranger for money its shameful and can be awkward as **** especially when they go "lol no u'll use this for drugs"
and if they just go and buy beer, ever thought about them trying to drink away a load of depression? it's not like they are happy with their lives unless we're talking about the homeless thieves who make a lot of money and just move around the world scamming people ;o
We ain't insensitive we just think the homeless can help them selfs
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 08, 2011, 12:15:05 PM
Quote from: Tricky on September 08, 2011, 11:41:54 AM
can't believe some of you can be so insensitive lol i've been homeless like 2-3 times because of other peoples mistakes and it doesnt feel good to ask a stranger for money its shameful and can be awkward as **** especially when they go "lol no u'll use this for drugs"
and if they just go and buy beer, ever thought about them trying to drink away a load of depression? it's not like they are happy with their lives unless we're talking about the homeless thieves who make a lot of money and just move around the world scamming people ;o
We ain't insensitive we just think the homeless can help them selfs
they can, but they need your help as well
read gramps' post he had help and they usually all need a bit of help >:l
Quote from: asmit10 on September 08, 2011, 03:45:13 AM
... So if you give them money and they buy drugs with it, thats good? k.
If they want drugs, they're going to get them regardless of whether or not you give them money. Would you rather they got the money for their fix some other way like robbing or soliciting sex? Personally, I'd spare them (and possibly others) the trouble and just give them a few bucks.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2011, 06:07:19 AM
I don't know about whats happening there, but here there are a lot of jobs that can help you make some money, not too much but you can make some money.
They refuse to work because some people have mercy and give them money.
You obviously don't know how hard it is to get a job when you're homeless. Who's going to hire homeless person when they can easily higher someone else who's most likely more qualified. If a homeless man and I walk into the same place and apply, they're going to choose me over him. I have a means of transportation, they see me as being more dependable, I have a
****ing home, etc.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2011, 06:07:19 AMThey earn a lot of money, and they don't really do anything useful with them.
Who the **** told you that homeless people make a lot of money?
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2011, 06:07:19 AMThey only buy beers and drugs, the same that made them become homeless.
Yeah, let's spit out stupid generalizations that are grounded in nothing but horsehit.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2011, 06:07:19 AMWhen I go to school I see some people begging for money in the center of the city and when I return I see the same people buying alcohol.
That happens because they loose hope and they are too lazy to do anything else than begging for money.
Ya... but it's mostly because by that point these people have already become alcoholics and it's pretty damn hard to get over an addiction when you have no support to fall back on.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2011, 06:07:19 AMYes, there are people who got there because of other reasons and they really need our help, but most of them are there because of drugs and alcohol.
So you're going to completely ignore the "other reasons" that led them to their addictions in the first place?
Quote from: mhj on September 08, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Around 99%
Don't make up completely bullshit statistics, it makes you look like an idiot.
Quote from: mhj on September 08, 2011, 12:04:40 PMof the homeless in my country chose to be homeless
Really? Elaborate.
Quote from: mhj on September 08, 2011, 12:04:40 PMthey where all offered a place to stay and live. Maybe not good place to stay, but way better than staying on the streets.
Are you talking about homeless shelters? Many homeless people have legitimate reasons for not staying at these shelters. Some don't allow pets (which are sometimes the
only companions a homeless person can have. ie. being lonely ****ing sucks), they might not get along with other people that might be staying at the shelter (which is often the case and can be dangerous), certain people like to hang around the shelters and exploit the homeless (dealers, pimps, etc), etc.
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 08, 2011, 12:15:05 PMWe ain't insensitive we just think the homeless can help them selfs
If not insensitive, then wholly ignorant.
Not my fault they are poor,it's either their fault or someone else. Does not include me,I stay away from beggers.
And this...
Quote from: Allieif they've been homeless for years -- they're choosing not to fix up their life
My father literally got out of prison and wasn't provided a place to live, had to live in a homeless shelter for a long time.
However, within a year he's made something of himself and has a nice home (apartment, naturally), has a great job that he loves (could even make manager if he wants to, but he doesn't), and did it all without any help.
I have no sympathy for the homeless retards if they've been homeless for years -- they're choosing not to fix up their life, their personal decisions aren't my fault.
Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
My father literally got out of prison and wasn't provided a place to live, had to live in a homeless shelter for a long time.
However, within a year he's made something of himself and has a nice home (apartment, naturally), has a great job that he loves (could even make manager if he wants to, but he doesn't), and did it all without any help.
I have no sympathy for the homeless retards if they've been homeless for years -- they're choosing not to fix up their life, their personal decisions aren't my fault.
depends on where u are
for example homeless people here are plain poor and cant afford a home even if they work.
Tbh, I actully feel bad about the homeless, but I can't do anything about it sadly; not many people homeless around my place.
Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
My father literally got out of prison and wasn't provided a place to live, had to live in a homeless shelter for a long time.
However, within a year he's made something of himself and has a nice home (apartment, naturally), has a great job that he loves (could even make manager if he wants to, but he doesn't), and did it all without any help.
I have no sympathy for the homeless retards if they've been homeless for years -- they're choosing not to fix up their life, their personal decisions aren't my fault.
Then he was pretty damn lucky. Just because he had it easy doesn't mean everyone can catch a break like him.
I only feel bad for any pets that the homeless may have. The homeless most likely ****ed up their lives by doing something wrong in the past.
That's my opinion, pls don't rage at me for it. :-\
Quote from: GavinGill on September 08, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
My father literally got out of prison and wasn't provided a place to live, had to live in a homeless shelter for a long time.
However, within a year he's made something of himself and has a nice home (apartment, naturally), has a great job that he loves (could even make manager if he wants to, but he doesn't), and did it all without any help.
I have no sympathy for the homeless retards if they've been homeless for years -- they're choosing not to fix up their life, their personal decisions aren't my fault.
Then he was pretty damn lucky. Just because he had it easy doesn't mean everyone can catch a break like him.
My father is the hardest worker I've ever seen.
He has a great job as a registered ex-prisoner and sex offender.
If he can do it, it isn't luck, everyone else is just ****ing retarded and choose to be homeless.
Such a lapse of logic is unbecoming of you, Allie.
@Gavin
Am neither insensitive nor "Wholly ignorant"
I feel for other people not a heartless hollow if I choose to saw one sentence that doesn't mean you actually
know enough about me to call me wholly ignorant.
I know how hard it is to get a job
I know that people around the world are dying from hunger
I know that some homeless people can't find food so they look in garbage trays.
I also know there is a million and 1 way to make money.
And I also know you wont get a million dollars dropped on ur face (Unless ur the luckiest person on planet earth)
Getting a job might be hard but making money ain't
As a 12 year old kid I had about 1.5 k only by my own work
A 12 YEAR OLD KID HAS 1.5 k
can't a homeless 22 year old homeless look for money???
I just don't believe that a homeless person is homeless cause it was forced on him
However u get from work from 1 cent to a 100 dollars If you can save enough
You can rent a motel or a small apartment
then you get out of that stage done.
Lazyness is a dieseas, wanna live and be something around this life, THEN GET OF UR ASS AND DO SOMETHING.
Sry got a bit pissed at the end but yeah :P
rob a store and go to prison where you won't be homeless anymore.
Quote from: Allie on September 09, 2011, 08:09:22 AM
rob a store and go to prison where you won't be homeless anymore.
That IS a solution isn't it
Quote from: Allie on September 09, 2011, 08:09:22 AM
rob a store and go to prison where you won't be homeless anymore.
i respect that lol but u die of boredum in prison.....
you die of hunger on the streets.
Allie Sympathy club Gavin?
4546562565462562 -5 No.
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AM
@Gavin
Am neither insensitive nor "Wholly ignorant"
I feel for other people not a heartless hollow if I choose to saw one sentence that doesn't mean you actually
know enough about me to call me wholly ignorant.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss an entire point as well as you did. That's impressive dude. =/
a. It wasn't directed solely at you
b. lrn2context
c. Ignorant = unaware. You most certainly
are unaware of the big picture, as evidenced by your posts.
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AM
As a 12 year old kid I had about 1.5 k only by my own work
A 12 YEAR OLD KID HAS 1.5 k
Unless you intend to elaborate and specify how you made the money and how you were given the opportunity to make said money, that little tidbit is meaningless.
For example, let's say you made that money by mowing lawns. That would require a lawnmower, something a homeless person wouldn't have. People are more likely to hire a 12 year old looking for a summer job or w/e rather than a ratty-looking homeless person. People are also more likely to trust an eager 12 year old than homeless person. Why? The kid has contact info (address, phone number, etc) if things go wrong, a means of transportation, and they can be held accountable if anything were to go awry. The homeless person? None of the above. For all you know, that homeless person is a desperate junkie (he probably isn't but that's what most people assume when it comes to the homeless). Who would take that risk? Most people would just go with the kid.
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AMI just don't believe that a homeless person is homeless cause it was forced on him
I went to school with a girl named Shilo. I'm not entirely sure what was going on with her but I do know that she was special-needs. Physically, she was fine but it was evident she suffered from some sort of mental disability. She could function like most but you could tell she was a bit off (I'm not sure how I can word that without coming off as an ass). I didn't know her well but I know she had some family issues.
After high school, I didn't see her at all until about two weeks ago. I passed her by while walking home from school (I recently got into a
polytechnic university, yay me) but I didn't realize it was Shilo until I was a few feet away. We didn't talk but I could tell from her dishevelled appearance, her ratty clothes, etc that was already on the street.
The chances of her getting off the streets are almost non-existent, the only real chance she has is if someone gives her a lucky break. That's it. It'll be almost impossible for her to make it on her own. Hell, she'll probably wind up in the down-town east-side of Vancouver (an absolute hell hole for the homeless and downtrodden) if she hasn't already and then that's it, game over.
She's not a special case, not by any means, there are thousands upon thousands of homeless people in a similar situation as her. That's just one of many,
many examples; it's not as simple as you seem to think it is. It's not as easy trying to get a job and then going from there, there are usually a myriad of complications and obstacles along the way.
When I went to San Francisco during Easter break, it was for working with the homeless.
Some of them are actually happy with their lives. One guy I met honestly chose to be homeless. He had a job and a house, but decided to lay low. He's still living well on the streets, and with all the soup kitchens in the area he is able to get a decent meal almost always.
That said, he is an extremely lucky/rare case.
As well, homeless people aren't always the ragged, angry people they're made out to be. Another story incoming from SF. I worked at a soup kitchen, and the people that were getting food there were incredibly happy. However, as they reached out with their trays you could see the scars on their arms from needles. These people are still friendly, however they've gotten wrapped up in to the drug scene. Also, people that have been taken off the streets through volunteer workplaces such as soup kitchens often decide to volunteer at those places. They know how hard it is to get off the streets and want to help out in any way they can.
Same soup kitchen. A lady walks in and I start talking to her while I clean up the table beside her. Although I didn't catch all of it because she had a speech impediment, I understood the jyst of it.She had a steady relationship with her boyfriend for 4 years going. However, suddenly her boyfriend said that he needed some money. The only way he would be able to get it was for her to sell her body to other men. Turns out he was a pimp. She's been wrapped up in prostitution now to keep some money for her child.
Also, Gavin's post reminded me of this. Yet again, the same soup kitchen (St. Vincent's, I believe). A regular at this place; I saw a man walk in. He was always talking to himself, and I discovered that he had schizophrenia. It was not at all his fault that he ended up on the streets - his mom abandoned him when he was young and he had no work options. He came up for a glass of lemonade (I was serving drinks at this time), and I decided to say, "hello," to him. Instantly he stopped talking to himself and responded with a, "hey, friend!" with a huge grin on his face. Once again, these people are incredibly friendly. So are the volunteers. If this man wasn't found at the soup kitchen, they would go out looking for him so that they knew he was safe.
This was from two different volunteering places on the same day. We generally worked at 2-3 places per day, and stayed there for a week. I can share waaaayyy more stories if you want.
tl;dr I do feel sorry for the homeless.
Ya, some places aren't bad for the homeless. I know a guy on another forum (http://www.dreamviews.com/members/philosopherstoned/) who's somewhere in Hawaii and he chooses to be homeless because:
Quote from: PhilosopherStonedIn my case it's the decision that because of my profound lack of social skills, I gain nothing from being employed and having a house (i.e. I'm a social outcast either way) and would rather have the time available to study things that interest me than waste time working to pay taxes to support US Imperialism.
There are tons of Homeless people in Hawai'i. If you can avoid getting pass-out-drunk for the first half of the day (surprisingly hard for many people), it's easy to get signed up for food stamps, go swimming in the ocean to get cleaned off and get in and out of towns so that you're not sleeping on the sidewalk. You can collect recycling in the civilized states to get some spending cash.
If you're not an addict, it can be a pretty good life. I certainly enjoy it much more than I've ever enjoyed working. It's really the first time in my life that I've actually been excited when I wake up in the morning. I lovingly ask myself "what sort of mischief are we going to get into today you stupid, hairy monkey?" The answer? Anything permitted by the laws of physics. I have zero obligations.
*He accesses the web using library computers.*
I'd probably choose to be homeless too (at least for a while) if I lived where he did. Given the city's reputation, I'd imagine San Francisco would be alright too. I wouldn't want to be homeless in my area though, that'd be hell.
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
Quote from: Vortax on September 14, 2011, 02:29:02 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
I gave him the rest of my food from wendys.
Quote from: kaos555 on September 14, 2011, 02:33:05 AM
Quote from: Vortax on September 14, 2011, 02:29:02 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
I gave him the rest of my food from wendys.
The important thing is that you helped saving a life. ;D
Quote from: GavinGill on September 14, 2011, 02:25:31 AM
I'd probably choose to be homeless too (at least for a while) if I lived where he did. Given the city's reputation, I'd imagine San Francisco would be alright too. I wouldn't want to be homeless in my area though, that'd be hell.
Depending on where you are in SF. The tenderloin (certain section of the city) is fairly bad, and that's where people start getting screwed up in to drugs.
There and Haight-Ashbury (or something like that). Supposedly where many drugs originated.