That I shouldn't comment with my thoughts on other people's opinions unless I have expertise in the subject, now I'm wondering, why the **** does a person need to be awesome at something to have opinions about it, and since when can any staff member state that I shouldn't be allowed to say it, while saying I suck, when I'm no worse than the average person at pvp o-o
didn't say you're not allowed, saying your opinion is invalid lawl
and the "average person" sucks at pvp, soz, come 1v1 me with your lv 200 against my lv 121 and ill still blitz ya <3
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 03:00:09 AM
didn't say you're not allowed, saying your opinion is invalid lawl
and the "average person" sucks at pvp, soz, come 1v1 me with your lv 200 against my lv 121 and ill still blitz ya <3
lol tricky and i bet u would beat him
o wel if its pvp
pvp is for noobs.
sector is wheres it's at.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 18, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
pvp is for noobs.
sector is wheres it's at.
You should be smacked and have your mouth washed out with soap lol.
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 03:00:09 AM
didn't say you're not allowed, saying your opinion is invalid lawl
and the "average person" sucks at pvp, soz, come 1v1 me with your lv 200 against my lv 121 and ill still blitz ya <3
there's no difference between the two phrases, logically saying my points invalid and saying that I shouldn't post it boil down to the same thing o-o
and no, you couldn't beat me with your level 121, I'll bet on it, lol.
@sasuke: suck him off anymore and he'll reach climax
XD U MAD?? lol i bet tricky would win lol, or u would run in the game
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 18, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
@sasuke: suck him off anymore and he'll reach climax
Repeated so you would get the meaning, I'm not mad, I'm stating your a suck up o-o
I think its funny when people say umad when your clearly not mad.
llol im not being a suck up im just saying that tricky would obviously win xD
Quote from: sasuke6548 on January 18, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
llol im not being a suck up im just saying that tricky would obviously win xD
Proof, or you are a suck up, making baseless comments to glorify someone, #suckup
sasuke's saying i'd win cuz i mopped the floor with jeff, sasuke and wxx on my lv 121 while all 3 of them were +7 lv 200's using II skill (wxx wasn't using II but yeah apparently' he's really good (bullshit lel)) and if i can beat those 3 i think it'd be easy to beat a narb liek you lel
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 10:53:54 PM
sasuke's saying i'd win cuz i mopped the floor with jeff, sasuke and wxx on my lv 121 while all 3 of them were +7 lv 200's using II skill (wxx wasn't using II but yeah apparently' he's really good (bullshit lel)) and if i can beat those 3 i think it'd be easy to beat a narb liek you lel
Thanks for providing proof for him O-o, and nah, being able to beat sasuke (who isn't good O-o) you're own brother (who lags as bad as you) and jeff (who I can't really make a statement about) doesn't really prove anything to me o-o
your*
sasuke wins consistently as a patch in FFA's from wut i've seen (he even beat wxx and a shitload of ppl can't beat wxx from his lag) (his lag is worse than mine nubcake) im not showin proof cuz no1 actually cares haha usuck at pvp and everyone knows it so u cant say shit about what maps prove what's right and wut's wrong :P even allie would agree with me, there r reasons as to why ur wrong but its easier to just say "nope ur wrong cuz ur shit"
now go win at holodeck and be self proclaimed #1 pvper compared to some1 like opti who wins at flop okokokok have fun :-*
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
your*
sasuke wins consistently as a patch in FFA's from wut i've seen (he even beat wxx and a shitload of ppl can't beat wxx from his lag) (his lag is worse than mine nubcake) im not showin proof cuz no1 actually cares haha usuck at pvp and everyone knows it so u cant say shit about what maps prove what's right and wut's wrong :P even allie would agree with me, there r reasons as to why ur wrong but its easier to just say "nope ur wrong cuz ur shit"
now go win at holodeck and be self proclaimed #1 pvper compared to some1 like opti who wins at flop okokokok have fun :-*
Providing proof is the only way to validate what you say, otherwise you're just a troll, who givbes a **** what you have to say ::)
I've also beaten sasuke a multitude of times, so iunno what you're getting at o-o
a troll who is known as #1-3 pvper by BC compared to someone bragging about nothing, soz mate u lose dis one
no one cares bout wut im sayin either, u know why? cuz im talking on the most retarded topic of the century lawl
*Random NoSkilled PvPer Comes*: hey guys heres my opinion on pvp that disagrees with people wh oare way more skilled than myself
and everyone else is just liek
nope
LOL MUNCAY U NEVER BEAT ME MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE BUT NEVER MORE THAN THT XD plus tht is prob when u sucked at pvp
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:10:24 PM
a troll who is known as #1-3 pvper by BC compared to someone bragging about nothing, soz mate u lose dis one
no one cares bout wut im sayin either, u know why? cuz im talking on the most retarded topic of the century lawl
*Random NoSkilled PvPer Comes*: hey guys heres my opinion on pvp that disagrees with people wh oare way more skilled than myself
and everyone else is just liek
nope
You're just posting a bunch of negative shit while claiming to know of other's opinions, I don't get it o-o, sound like a troll to me.
@Sasuke: I've only ever gone against you that many times
@Tricky: When'd we start measuring skill based on random ffa's when "average" people suck
the negative shit does have a little bit of logic and that logic is, if you're a nub at pvp you cant talk down on people who are way better den you about pvp without looking retarded and having an invalid opinion lawl
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:20:38 PM
the negative shit does have a little bit of logic and that logic is, if you're a nub at pvp you cant talk down on people who are way better den you about pvp without looking retarded and having an invalid opinion lawl
There's no logic in there, I never spoke down on anyone, I said I lol'd at people who think only fighting on flop is the way to gain skill, not to be mean, because I think that's funny, because it doesn't make any sense O-o; is everything you're saying based solely on me being "average" at pvp o-o
speaking down doesnt always mean to insult but k ur pretty much just saying what im saying while tryin to justify it lawl
me: you're disagreeing with pvpers who are better than you and that makes your opinion invalid
you: im disagreeing with pvpers who are better than me, what's the problem guise?
Don't care about any post but the original topic.
Flop is most popular because it sets aside all the obstacles in the map and just allows fair, legit pvp.
That said, flop is for the better players in the game, and those who win in flop are generally "better" at solid, legit pvp.
However, saying you're better at holo, etc is blurring that "good" line. You aren't good at pvp, you're good at using the obstacles to your advantage (ie, camping on holo).
@Allie: If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?
@Tricky: Speaking down means to be condescending, or put someone else's opinion below yours, which I'm not, I'm just stating mine, only to watch idiots say I'm doing something else, like always (that was speaking down) I'm not justifying, or restating what you say, in fact all I did was correct your statement, to say what I was actually doing, you like to put extra info in your favor a lot o-o.
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx 8) 8)
muncay u did not vs me tht much plus u beat me in like when i was in SIlence soo which means i sucked back then but i got much better
"If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?"
that actually makes sense.
Quote from: asmit10 on January 18, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
"If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?"
that actually makes sense.
it would if holo wasn't like 80% lag ::)
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx 8) 8)
Just another statement that means nothing at all o-o, more negative stuff to make me look bad, while trying to put yourself in a better light, still doesn't make sense, never has
@Sasuke: I already said that
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:37:55 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on January 18, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
"If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?"
that actually makes sense.
it would if holo wasn't like 80% lag ::)
ur 100% lag :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
fku pig lol!!
cbf quoting so
"Just another statement that means nothing at all o-o, more negative stuff to make me look bad, while trying to put yourself in a better light, still doesn't make sense, never has"
lolk if u really think so buddy
lol muncay wanna vs me right now??
lol sasuke theyve changed topic completely now
Quote from: asmit10 on January 18, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
"If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?"
that actually makes sense.
That would, if I didn't already mention that point that muncay decided to totally skip over.
Without obstacles is raw pvp skill -- this is the skill that is judged primarily as it judges your actual ability to pvp.
With obstacles blurs the skill -- using the obstacles to your advantage.
If you ask me to repeat again I'm leaving this thread lol.
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx 8) 8)
Highlighted the negative part in red
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx 8) 8)
Highlighted the accusation in green, there was no proof so I had nothing to highlight
Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx 8) 8)
I highlighted the only part of the post a person needs to read to get the point of the post, since there's nothing more to it
^My point
@Allie: My point is you're wrong, raw pvp skill includes being able to use all parts of bots pvp to your advantage, otherwise you can say, "Well, I'm really good at
part of pvp."
Quote from: Allie on January 18, 2012, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on January 18, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
"If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?"
that actually makes sense.
That would, if I didn't already mention that point that muncay decided to totally skip over.
Without obstacles is raw pvp skill -- this is the skill that is judged primarily as it judges your actual ability to pvp.
With obstacles blurs the skill -- using the obstacles to your advantage.
If you ask me to repeat again I'm leaving this thread lol.
It still takes training, and a lot of skill. Just a different type of skill.
holo takes jumping, camping, shooting, and push skill :D :D :D
raw skill = pro @flop. You prove yourself to be a legitimate pvp'er without the interference of that many obstacles, hence the name RAW skill.
"blur" skill = pro @holo. Although you're not entirely great at all the aspect of what makes a pvp'er good at pvp you're still okay at the aspect of acclimating with the obstacles of lag and campingHolo and using it to your advantage.
raw skill also mean you can move with agility that overcome that of your opponent and beat'em. kk i tink i no make sense anymaor. i stop
Hey guys im the best login pvper
Quote from: Yoshi91 on January 19, 2012, 12:00:27 AM
raw skill = pro @flop. You prove yourself to be a legitimate pvp'er without the interference of that many obstacles, hence the name RAW skill.
"blur" skill = pro @holo. Although you're not entirely great at all the aspect of what makes a pvp'er good at pvp you're still okay at the aspect of acclimating with the obstacles of lag and campingHolo and using it to your advantage.
raw skill also mean you can move with agility that overcome that of your opponent and beat'em. kk i tink i no make sense anymaor. i stop
smh, you restated what the other people said D; I'm not getting it though, is it not raw skill to be able to use every resource to your advantage, especially when those resources are in 75% of the maps o-o
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: Yoshi91 on January 19, 2012, 12:00:27 AM
raw skill = pro @flop. You prove yourself to be a legitimate pvp'er without the interference of that many obstacles, hence the name RAW skill.
"blur" skill = pro @holo. Although you're not entirely great at all the aspect of what makes a pvp'er good at pvp you're still okay at the aspect of acclimating with the obstacles of lag and campingHolo and using it to your advantage.
raw skill also mean you can move with agility that overcome that of your opponent and beat'em. kk i tink i no make sense anymaor. i stop
smh, you restated what the other people said D; I'm not getting it though, is it not raw skill to be able to use every resource to your advantage, especially when those resources are in 75% of the maps o-o
Even though i'm not a great not even a average pvper I will put a say into this
@Muncay Yes if you know how to use the obstacles as advantages you got the upper hand but i mean like think if it was just a plain match no detraction who will win the person who concentrate on the obstacles or the person who concentrate on winning the game. It goes both ways. So the person who use the obstacles vs not use the obstacles are the same skill level. Example the person who use the obstacles can beat the person who doesn't on the obstacle map. And the person without any obstacles win because the person who does obstacles is clueless on the no obstaclemap kinda get my point.
Flop's set up in a great way, and it has it's own obstacles to overcome. Height differentials - holo has none of this. Generally, on Flop, you want to be above your opponent (other than a few situations or if you're trying to lure them in a particular way). The spacing between jumps is great, i.e. side fence to second highest platform. The many different heights makes it possible to run away from trans, but still difficult, making the meta game prominent, yet not absolutely primary to the point where mastering trans and sucking at everything else can still win you games. Many different opportunities for luring, whereas in holo it's essentially limited to jumping at your opponent, then turning back. Pros and cons for multiple skills, though in holo there are some that are obviously above the rest (not completely overpowered, but definitely gives the advantage.) This one isn't huge, but flop gives the opportunity to differ from breakfall without imminent death. Charge can be deadly if used correctly, although it's a double-edged sword in the way that you can get ground hit. =/
I'll continue if you wish...
Quote from: iwasbobo on January 19, 2012, 02:00:10 AM
Flop's set up in a great way, and it has it's own obstacles to overcome. Height differentials - holo has none of this. Generally, on Flop, you want to be above your opponent (other than a few situations or if you're trying to lure them in a particular way). The spacing between jumps is great, i.e. side fence to second highest platform. The many different heights makes it possible to run away from trans, but still difficult, making the meta game prominent, yet not absolutely primary to the point where mastering trans and sucking at everything else can still win you games. Many different opportunities for luring, whereas in holo it's essentially limited to jumping at your opponent, then turning back. Pros and cons for multiple skills, though in holo there are some that are obviously above the rest (not completely overpowered, but definitely gives the advantage.) This one isn't huge, but flop gives the opportunity to differ from breakfall without imminent death. Charge can be deadly if used correctly, although it's a double-edged sword in the way that you can get ground hit. =/
I'll continue if you wish...
But that doesn't make it any different from any other pvp map, it's just the one people get used to, like you said it has it's own obstacles, saying it's the best map for pvp is just having a preference, shouldn't be treated like fact; on top of that other maps contain key elements that make pvping on that map worth it, imo we just have a bunch of republican old players who hate change, so we're stuck on this selection of one boring map
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 06:44:31 PMBut that doesn't make it any different from any other pvp map, it's just the one people get used to, like you said it has it's own obstacles, saying it's the best map for pvp is just having a preference, shouldn't be treated like fact; on top of that other maps contain key elements that make pvping on that map worth it, imo we just have a bunch of republican old players who hate change, so we're stuck on this selection of one boring map
I gave you multiple reasons why flop is the ideal PvP map, you just chose to ignore them. A main one is how it's set up in such a way that running from a trans is still possible.
Give me another map, and I'll tell you why flop is better than it. Maybe that will help. >_>
gavins requiem or w.e
Quote from: KillerPig on January 19, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
gavins requiem or w.e
Too small. Ram would just trans and kill everything.
training camp (the lvl 6 sector map)
neo data cross
circuit city
old data cross
Quote from: KillerPig on January 19, 2012, 09:27:19 PM
training camp (the lvl 6 sector map)
neo data cross
circuit city
old data cross
glitch
push
too big
push
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 19, 2012, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on January 19, 2012, 09:27:19 PM
training camp (the lvl 6 sector map)
neo data cross
circuit city
old data cross
glitch
push
too big
push
k lol
u can push on flop?!?!
ok
u can push on flop!??!
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 19, 2012, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on January 19, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
gavins requiem or w.e
Too small. Ram would just trans and kill everything.
btw im pretty sure theyre like the same size lol
and on flop surges rape everyone else.
Gavin's Requim isn't the same size as flop :o
And you can push on flop if you're on of those guys who sits at the edge half the time.
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 19, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
Gavin's Requim isn't the same size as flop :o
And you can push on flop if you're on of those guys who sits at the edge half the time.
hey pig look at this
Quote from: iwasbobo on January 19, 2012, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 06:44:31 PMBut that doesn't make it any different from any other pvp map, it's just the one people get used to, like you said it has it's own obstacles, saying it's the best map for pvp is just having a preference, shouldn't be treated like fact; on top of that other maps contain key elements that make pvping on that map worth it, imo we just have a bunch of republican old players who hate change, so we're stuck on this selection of one boring map
I gave you multiple reasons why flop is the ideal PvP map, you just chose to ignore them. A main one is how it's set up in such a way that running from a trans is still possible.
Give me another map, and I'll tell you why flop is better than it. Maybe that will help. >_>
I didn't ignore anything, your reasons amount to nothing, you listed the positive parts of flop without accounting for it's negative, or the fact that every other map has different features that make it what it is
know so much about pvp and so bad at it at same time!!
Quote from: Yz on January 19, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
know so much about pvp and so bad at it at same time!!
and O-o a person can be more knowledgeable than any athlete in a sport and not be able to play like they can
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 10:54:58 PMI didn't ignore anything, your reasons amount to nothing, you listed the positive parts of flop without accounting for it's negative, or the fact that every other map has different features that make it what it is
Tell me a negative, mang. I at least am defending mine with proof, you're just saying "LOL UR WRONG" without providing any evidence.
Quote from: iwasbobo on January 20, 2012, 01:20:30 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 10:54:58 PMI didn't ignore anything, your reasons amount to nothing, you listed the positive parts of flop without accounting for it's negative, or the fact that every other map has different features that make it what it is
Tell me a negative, mang. I at least am defending mine with proof, you're just saying "LOL UR WRONG" without providing any evidence.
The fact that there's features that make every map what it is, and that flop is no different, is self evident, I don't need to provide evidence for something you can see, do I o-0
On flop almost 95% of the time you have to get your opponent DOWN TO 0HP
Holo u can hit then once and bam dead where is da skill in dat???
Quote from: Blessed on January 20, 2012, 02:09:29 AM
On flop almost 95% of the time you have to get your opponent DOWN TO 0HP
Holo u can hit then once and bam dead where is da skill in dat???
Are ju coming baq?
omg theres no space for debate in this forum so il just say lol fuk u holo flop rocks gtfo zepher
@MisterZ no not coming back playing gunz full time now
Quote from: Blessed on January 20, 2012, 09:00:01 PM
@MisterZ no not coming back playing gunz full time now
YES !
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 20, 2012, 01:38:31 AMThe fact that there's features that make every map what it is, and that flop is no different, is self evident, I don't need to provide evidence for something you can see, do I o-0
Well then it would appear that we are debating about different things.
Sure, every map has different features, but flop's features make it the ideal PvP map for competitive matches. I won't explain further until you actually decide what we're arguing about. >_>
Quote from: Blessed on January 20, 2012, 09:00:01 PM
@MisterZ no not coming back playing gunz full time now
gey.
qualitygunz... its no lead so all shots hit liek a boss... hey allie
hai blessed :3
play expo more kk
hey merc .. sorry no can do me no play expo eva again only ijji and quality or anyotther nolead server
play expo plz <3
i cannot do that D: sorreh
Quote from: Blessed on January 21, 2012, 02:39:18 AM
hey merc .. sorry no can do me no play expo eva again only ijji and quality or anyotther nolead server
What if we make expo no lead.
i play Dr and dark gunz dark gunz have 200+ players everyday but doesnt matter expo too inactive i wish someone would join
JOIN EXPO PLEASE NOW
Quote from: iwasbobo on January 20, 2012, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: zepher2211 on January 20, 2012, 01:38:31 AMThe fact that there's features that make every map what it is, and that flop is no different, is self evident, I don't need to provide evidence for something you can see, do I o-0
Well then it would appear that we are debating about different things.
Sure, every map has different features, but flop's features make it the ideal PvP map for competitive matches. I won't explain further until you actually decide what we're arguing about. >_>
I'm arguing multiple things, the main point being that saying Flop is the best map for pvp is foolish o-o, anyway I'm bored of this, bleh
Hover!
Quote from: KillerPig on January 19, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
and on flop surges rape everyone else.
No, just no.....Ram can easily dominate any surge on Flop -.- If the person knows how to use the ram. I did it all the time.
And flop is the best PvP map because it offers everything the other maps do and more.
There's a reason everyone likes that map even in BOTS everyone played that map. Because it offers more fun and is still a challenge to play on if you don't know how to play on that map. Which is why the inferior PvPers do maps like Holodeck because they don't feel like being dominated by a person who actually knows how to play real raw PvP
And Zeph I agree with everyone else you are trash at PvP so your arguments against whats good in PvP are invalid. Simply because your not good at it period.
omg look whos back
Quote from: Shadow on January 22, 2012, 12:14:34 PMNo, just no.....Ram can easily dominate any surge on Flop -.- If the person knows how to use the ram. I did it all the time.
...lol
A skilled Surge vs. an equally skilled Ram - The surge SHOULD win every time, unless the Ram gets a win trans, such as Kow. A Surge's jump attack dominates in PvP, and that alone should be enough. But they still have Speed AND Evade, which makes them even more dangerous.
A Ram relies on Trans, and a Surge should easily be able to run from that, unless it's Kow/Bug-Bear Beta/MAYBE Blaster. In which case the Surge should still win, albeit with slightly more difficulty.
The only one really equal/ maybe a little better than me here would be Tricky. So I guess me and him would have to ram vs surge -.- lol
Other than that I pretty well dominate everyone when I'm a ram -.-
Quote from: Shadow on January 22, 2012, 08:28:18 PM
The only one really equal/ maybe a little better than me here would be Tricky. So I guess me and him would have to ram vs surge -.- lol
Other than that I pretty well dominate everyone when I'm a ram -.-
I wanna see that, tell me when you're unbanned, I wanna try it out.
khaos u cant beat me as a ram if im a surge simply cuz of my lag + speed bonus as a surge. if im a ram you'd rape me but when im a surge the lag and speed is too much for anyone :P
Locked, threads derailed
also it was a wrong thread