Not gonna write a big post on the moment about it, but people have been complaining that PvP is ruined with TD because of how little damage it does. The real problem with PvP at the moment is the damage that players do out of trans. In BOTS Acclaim, a regular I skill did ~170 on another untransed player, I believe. 220ish if it was II. Now, compare that to the current amounts. A level 221 hits ~550, with that number increasing over 650 with an AttackMiniV3. However, the amount that a level 221 does with its trans on a TD-less player in BC is ~750, which was about the same in BOTS. That is a huge increase in damage from untransed players, resulting in almost no reason except speed to trans. In BOTS, it was still possible to do significant damage with a trans against a full TD surge, if you stalked them enough, as they did less than 100 to you, while a full TA surge took all 750ish damage, but did ~350 to you with an attack. If you really want to make the trans more powerful, you have to decrease the amount of damage done from regular, untransed attacks.
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on October 07, 2012, 04:05:17 AM
Not gonna write a big post on the moment about it, but people have been complaining that PvP is ruined with TD because of how little damage it does. The real problem with PvP at the moment is the damage that players do out of trans. In BOTS Acclaim, a regular I skill did ~170 on another untransed player, I believe. 220ish if it was II. Now, compare that to the current amounts. A level 221 hits ~550, with that number increasing over 650 with an AttackMiniV3. However, the amount that a level 221 does with its trans on a TD-less player in BC is ~750, which was about the same in BOTS. That is a huge increase in damage from untransed players, resulting in almost no reason except speed to trans. In BOTS, it was still possible to do significant damage with a trans against a full TD surge, if you stalked them enough, as they did less than 100 to you, while a full TA surge took all 750ish damage, but did ~350 to you with an attack. If you really want to make the trans more powerful, you have to decrease the amount of damage done from regular, untransed attacks.
YES REDUCE DAMAGE
MORE COMPETITIVE GAMES
In full TD with attack mini I do around 150-200 dmg to transed players while I get hit for ~400.
Not sure if that's even close to what it was in bots.
+1, the only reason to even attack a trans while you're untransed is to buy time and run away.
+1
+1 to tis
+1
dude with attack mini and t3 set you do almost 800s with an I active >_<
maybe just make it so trans do more damage, rather then lowering un-trans damage? idk just a thought
+1 to this also.
-cough- mention speed -cough-
Quote from: nanak tatum on October 07, 2012, 04:49:22 PM
sorry cooky but lowering damage is better than raising.
u dont need to apologize for disagreeing with me :P
Quote from: nanak tatum on October 07, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
IMO speed doesnt matter much to me *EXCEPT* When a stupid slow patch beats a 172 surge D:
I personally hate people say they pro because they win with the op speed and meto (meto can be dodged but still annoying when hit by it more than once)
wait till (c) tag
change is coming my friends
Quote from: KillerPig on October 07, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
wait till (c) tag
change is coming my friends
nignog do your hw ::)
in bots lv 100 surge vs lv 100 surge (coined) you did ~200s untransed with an I active, and 400s with a trans against full TA.
meaning 2x damage in trans.
so here in trans damage should be doing at least 1-1.5k damage on TA.
or we lower untrans vs untrans attack in pvp to like ~450s max
Quote from: Pokeh on October 07, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
in bots lv 100 surge vs lv 100 surge (coined) you did ~200s untransed with an I active, and 400s with a trans against full TA.
meaning 2x damage in trans.
so here in trans damage should be doing at least 1-1.5k damage on TA.
or we lower untrans vs untrans attack in pvp to like ~450s max
ye
If you were playing BOTS Acclaim, coinless PvP, a level 100 would do 750ish in trans to an untransed opponent, versus 180ish with a I skill. That's a little less than 4x more damage with trans than untransed. Currently in BC, the trans damage is about the same, maybe up to 800 with AttackBotV3, but since the regular I skills do upwards of 600ish, that's not even 2x more damage. Instead of drastically increasing the trans damage up to ~1.3k or something, I think it would be much wiser to lower regular attacks to be doing ~250, 300 max - if not lower. That will give more of an incentive to trans.
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on October 09, 2012, 08:42:03 PM
If you were playing BOTS Acclaim, coinless PvP, a level 100 would do 750ish in trans to an untransed opponent
Who told you that. Cause they were lying.
^that was a typo and ur ignoring everything else being said D:
It definitely was 700s.
No it was 450 max if you were a lv 100 patch against a coinless low level
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on October 12, 2012, 11:38:48 PM
It definitely was 700s.
I can prove it on BOTS, ZylonGaming. It's a 100% remake with level 100 available.
yeah, allie.
Quote from: Jeffalo13 on October 07, 2012, 04:05:17 AM
If you really want to make the trans more powerful, you have to decrease the amount of damage done from regular, untransed attacks.
Oooor we could make trans more powerful by increasing trans damage, rather than decreasing un-transed damage. (/Bclogic) ::)
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 No second thought :P