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Over the past few days, there has been a lot of drama about GM Max circulating around the forums. Many people dislike him. Some think he's stupid, others say he abuses his powers, some even theorize he paid for his position. I used to be one of those people. Even before I came to be a moderator, I had it out for Max. I took every opportunity to make him look stupid, or find fault in him. The idea that this guy could possibly be representing Zylon Gaming just drove me crazy. While he may have had a decent image in the public eye, it was the in-game whispers, Skype chats, and PMs that really showed me his personality, and well, I didn't like it.
It really escalated when he was promoted to GM. Now not only was I frustrated because I didn't like him, but boy was I ever jealous. Other people started noticing things about him too. He was given more power, more commands, and some of his mistakes were becoming public. It's now gotten to the point of 10 page hate threads.
I am posting this thread because I want it to stop. You certainly have the right to your own opinion, and the right to post it as long as you follow the rules, but Max does not deserve the treatment he has gotten the last few days. He has been staff for a year guys, a whole year. And while he may have been inactive for a large portion of it, its an entire year that he has been trying his best to help out Zylon Gaming. While he may make some mistakes or come off as a bad guy, he is sacrificing time from his day to help out this game. Every hacker he reports, every player he mutes, every second he takes to help out this game is coming out of his free time, voluntarily.
One thing you need to keep in mind is that even when he messes up, makes himself look stupid, hurts your feelings, or does something insanely cringe worthy - he is still helping the game. Its not like he has done some unforgiveable thing that's making people quit left and right. Some of the complaints I saw yesterday were things like 'you muted me unfairly' or 'you kicked my room when I was afk'. Is this really a big deal guys? So what if he power abused a little, or his judgment was wrong a few times. He is still helping the game as best he can, and he deserves respect for that. All staff members do.
When you see him mess up, or do something stupid, remember he is trying to help. He is trying his best. And in the face of all the criticism he has gotten, he has taken it in stride and is going to continue to service this game as well as he can for as long as he can. Your complaints aren't going to change that. Have some respect for the guy. A lot of people seem to think that having Max as a staff member is hurting this game. You think that demoting him would somehow help things, and that you are fighting to 'help the game'. Well I got news for you, next time you go to complain about a staff member to 'help the game', go report a rulebreaker instead. Go help some players instead. Go take time out of your day and help the game by doing what Max does every day. That's how you can help the game. If you are too lazy or are unwilling to do that, then you are in no position to criticize the job Max has done.
So while I may not always get along with Max, I am smart enough to at least have respect for what he does. I am not holding his mistakes against him. I am thanking him for the time he has taken to try and help Zylon Gaming. I am making this post in the hope that others who may not get along with him will start to look at the big picture here like I am. Give the Max hate a rest, and if you want to help this game, quit throwing rocks. Go out and help. Make a difference. Who knows, you might find yourself becoming a staff member yourself one day. Then you will be in a position to judge Max and the job he had done. Until then, please stop the flaming, the hating, and the ungrateful bickering about GM Max. Because its not helping anything.
-Cooky
Kewl vid. Lol at the music while you talk.
Ross has the same opinion as you on this, hatters gonna hate. People take a sec to think of what Max is trying to do for this community. He is not trying to destroy it he is trying to help it (power abuse or not,) he gets the job done. Max does has a few things to learn and is in a situation sorta similar with Cooky. Let Max figure out what he is doing so wrong, and just explain to him what you want to happen different rather than going OMG MAX MUST GET DEMOTED! As for Max, be more courteous to people, try to see where they are coming from, you as a staff member should be a proper figure of ZG. ::)
Thank you Ross
Thanks I am glad people like it/agree with it so far
This is great, Cooky. You have such a great way of looking at things. Lolol at the music, though XD
#GM Cooky
I had never expected this of you Cooky.
To everyone that has a problem with me:
Cooky is like, completely, right about what he said.
The reason why I am around bc, is Allie, and HELPING her as much as I can/ am allowed.
It may sounds really stupid in your ears, but i'm a good guy, there's nothing i would rather do than being able to help someone.
I've been doing this for a whole year, and I've had serious inactive times, but during the time I was active, I did a good job.
If you have a problem with me, making hate threads, or hating me in game, or flaming me, or spreading rumours, or talking behind my back,... NONE of that will ever change the way i think, act or do.
If you want to help, and see a change, you should realise that the only way that would happen is when you PM me and try to talk to me about the problem you have, in a serious way.
If you can't be reasonable, I surely won't take you seriously.
To all haters:
No matter how much hate there is towards me, It will never make me resign,
so if that's your hopes, you might as well stop wasting your time and energy and give up.
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:36:39 AM
I had never expected this of you Cooky.
To everyone that has a problem with me:
Cooky is like, completely, right about what he said.
The reason why I am around bc, is Allie, and HELPING her as much as I can/ am allowed.
It may sounds really stupid in your ears, but i'm a good guy, there's nothing i would rather do than being able to help someone.
I've been doing this for a whole year, and I've had serious inactive times, but during the time I was active, I did a good job.
If you have a problem with me, making hate threads, or hating me in game, or flaming me, or spreading rumours, or talking behind my back,... NONE of that will ever change the way i think, act or do.
If you want to help, and see a change, you should realise that the only way that would happen is when you PM me and try to talk to me about the problem you have, in a serious way.
If you can't be reasonable, I surely won't take you seriously.
To all haters:
No matter how much hate there is towards me, It will never make me resign,
so if that's your hopes, you might as well stop wasting your time and energy and give up.
Max i have a question (not trying to be offend you) why are you hated in the first place?
And when you know you are hated doesn't that ring a bell that you might do something wrong.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on November 13, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:36:39 AM
I had never expected this of you Cooky.
To everyone that has a problem with me:
Cooky is like, completely, right about what he said.
The reason why I am around bc, is Allie, and HELPING her as much as I can/ am allowed.
It may sounds really stupid in your ears, but i'm a good guy, there's nothing i would rather do than being able to help someone.
I've been doing this for a whole year, and I've had serious inactive times, but during the time I was active, I did a good job.
If you have a problem with me, making hate threads, or hating me in game, or flaming me, or spreading rumours, or talking behind my back,... NONE of that will ever change the way i think, act or do.
If you want to help, and see a change, you should realise that the only way that would happen is when you PM me and try to talk to me about the problem you have, in a serious way.
If you can't be reasonable, I surely won't take you seriously.
To all haters:
No matter how much hate there is towards me, It will never make me resign,
so if that's your hopes, you might as well stop wasting your time and energy and give up.
Max i have a question (not trying to be offend you) why are you hated in the first place?
And when you know you are hated doesn't that ring a bell that you might do something wrong.
I don't know why.
As for knowing I do something wrong because I am hated, no. People hate me for correctly muting or banning them, so there will always be hate as long as I continue to do my job.
Not saying I never do anything wrong.
If you have a problem with me, you should just talk to me.
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 01:19:55 PMPeople hate me for correctly muting or banning them, so there will always be hate as long as I continue to do my job.
Not saying I never do anything wrong.
If you have a problem with me, you should just talk to me.
don't kid yourself into thinking that
Removed off-topic posts.
this speech made me cry.
#NEVERFORGET http://oi41.tinypic.com/5luolz.jpg (http://oi41.tinypic.com/5luolz.jpg)
Also @max's post
if you get a lot of hate
from a lot of people
chances are you can change what they hate about you and become a better person (in this case staff member cause I really couldn't give a **** about how you are irl)
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
Woooooo Cooky4pres cooky4pres cooky4pres
But really I haven't seen Max do anything wrong since he became a staff member... I'm sure he has though but people need to realize that being part of the staff isn't an easy thing and that you may make a few mistakes along the way.. Just look at my ninja Obama
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
I don't need to solve anything though. If I see a problem, one of the best things I can do is get attention to it. By doing that, someone smarter than me will figure out the solution. Also, a problem gets extremely complicated when self-improvement gets involved.
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
I don't need to solve anything though. If I see a problem, one of the best things I can do is get attention to it. By doing that, someone smarter than me will figure out the solution. Also, a problem gets extremely complicated when self-improvement gets involved.
The problem is, you start hating, others start hating, a lot of people start hating.... yet nobody starts talking.
You are a smart person, i'm sure you could try to suggest something.
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
I don't need to solve anything though. If I see a problem, one of the best things I can do is get attention to it. By doing that, someone smarter than me will figure out the solution. Also, a problem gets extremely complicated when self-improvement gets involved.
The problem is, you start hating, others start hating, a lot of people start hating.... yet nobody starts talking.
You are a smart person, i'm sure you could try to suggest something.
Others may start hating, sure, but that gathers attention. For example, all the recent drama. While I was making that thread it gave me contacts with people that have power abuse screenshots of you. I consider power abuse screenshots pretty important, especially of you.
Hate may be bad, but it brings attention and attention is probably the most important thing I have in terms of getting **** done.
EDIT: Attention also forces higher ups to start giving a **** about the problem at hand. (Not saying this helped in the previous drama, but higher ups having to care about something can certainly be useful in the future.)
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
I don't need to solve anything though. If I see a problem, one of the best things I can do is get attention to it. By doing that, someone smarter than me will figure out the solution. Also, a problem gets extremely complicated when self-improvement gets involved.
The problem is, you start hating, others start hating, a lot of people start hating.... yet nobody starts talking.
You are a smart person, i'm sure you could try to suggest something.
Others may start hating, sure, but that gathers attention. For example, all the recent drama. While I was making that thread it gave me contacts with people that have power abuse screenshots of you. I consider power abuse screenshots pretty important, especially of you.
Hate may be bad, but it brings attention and attention is probably the most important thing I have in terms of getting **** done.
Still, just hating won't solve anything.
If anyone wants to bring attention to something i do wrong and should be changed, there has to be someone to tell me.
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: Madprox on November 13, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
You all don't seem to get that, just by hating, i can't know what you hate, therefore, can't change anything.
which is why you should talk to me, instead of plain hating.
I tend to find that 1 on 1 chats are bad unless in Skype / Steam. If you **** up and say something retarded (which im pretty sure you would), and it was PMs on the forums then you could potentially ban me for releasing personal info.
Also hate bring a lot more attention than normal words, haven't you notice? ::)
Hate doesn't solve anything.
Talking does.
Haven't you noticed?
I don't need to solve anything though. If I see a problem, one of the best things I can do is get attention to it. By doing that, someone smarter than me will figure out the solution. Also, a problem gets extremely complicated when self-improvement gets involved.
The problem is, you start hating, others start hating, a lot of people start hating.... yet nobody starts talking.
You are a smart person, i'm sure you could try to suggest something.
Others may start hating, sure, but that gathers attention. For example, all the recent drama. While I was making that thread it gave me contacts with people that have power abuse screenshots of you. I consider power abuse screenshots pretty important, especially of you.
Hate may be bad, but it brings attention and attention is probably the most important thing I have in terms of getting **** done.
Still, just hating won't solve anything.
If anyone wants to bring attention to something i do wrong and should be changed, there has to be someone to tell me.
I don't see me having to solve anything, because I can't. If I bring up any point at all i'll be given: "Stuff happens behind the scenes lel ur wrong" "out of context"
However if a lot of people hate / start a shit storm over something, it'll get resolved in one way or another.
Whether that be muting a bunch of people, staff quitting, game shutting down, etc. It'll get resolved. How it ends isn't up to me.
If I could offer any aspect of what I've observed with what's going on with you it's this:
In regards to your recent exchange with mat:
rules in the textbook are not a solid hammer by which you forge each and every person's circumstances with to fit, but just the opposite. The rules that are written are merely a moral guideline for which to uphold and it's okay to show compassion toward this already small community by utilizing alternate options (thinking outside the box) not stated in a book that is already otherwise limited in definition.
In regards to your views as "being hated because you're doing your job properly"
just because you're a staff member doesn't mean you need to be hated. Examples would be your fellow staff really. Selene, mat, code, allie etc are respected and they do their jobs quite excellently. Just as purple stated, you should take things with a grain of salt and I think a big part of "law enforcement" (although in game and not real life, w/e) is allowing yourself to recollect and responding to things without a negative mindset (such as being hated or being angry) to effect what you do in times of stress and pressure.
anyway. I admire that you have not cracked and on a 1 to 1 basis you're an alright guy.
People twist my words, and if they don't twist them, they make it sounds like i say things which i haven't.
I'm done talking.
If you have a proble, hate me or talk to me.
Hating won't solve anything.
Talking might.
And RK, as i said before, hating will never crack me.
starting to think I should have just locked the topic and not allowed replies, cause you guys just keep going back and forth again
Quote from: Cooky on November 13, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
starting to think I should have just locked the topic and not allowed replies, cause you guys just keep going back and forth again
glad u didnt
Max: "Talk instead of hating br0"
Me: "hey i has screenshot of max buying accounts"
Max: "0ut 0f c0ntext!!!!!!!!!!!!"
EDIT: I'd like to say that those aren't direct quotes from max, just wanna say this so I don't get moderated for false quoting. #NEVERFORGET http://oi41.tinypic.com/5luolz.jpg (http://oi41.tinypic.com/5luolz.jpg)
Purple you watched that video and still your gonna sit there and throw rocks at Max
you are just making yourself look foolish at this point
let it go. give up the fight, cause its not going to go anywhere.
This thread was to give people a wake up call, and so they would stop making fun of Max
instead you are just using it as another outlet to post your Max screenshots and list reasons he sucks
get out
Quote from: Cooky on November 13, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
Purple you watched that video and still your gonna sit there and throw rocks at Max
you are just making yourself look foolish at this point
let it go. give up the fight, cause its not going to go anywhere.
This thread was to give people a wake up call, and so they would stop making fun of Max
instead you are just using it as another outlet to post your Max screenshots and list reasons he sucks
get out
Rocks hurt
If that post hurt him, he's too sensitive to be a gm / he would've quit a long time ago. Also, i'm not fighting it. That screenshot is more of a reminder and I was pointing out the stupidity in his statement saying 'talk instead of hate'.
EDIT: but hey i'll leave the thread already had a rly good convo lel
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Already said I dont want him to resign
already said im not fighting it
>wants to be staff member
>doesn't know wtf's going on
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Already said I dont want him to resign
already said im not fighting it
>wants to be staff member
>doesn't know wtf's going on
Everything that you say is false, I read all your comments you may not say that you don't want him to resign but from what you wrote in the last couple of days you do.
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Already said I dont want him to resign
already said im not fighting it
>wants to be staff member
>doesn't know wtf's going on
Everything that you say is false I read all your comments you may not say that you don't want him to resign but from what you wrote in the last couple of days you do.
lel
Yeah cause I have a reason to lie about my opinions vs max. I don't want BC to end, if I did, I wouldn't be here and I would be helping the other server. Getting rid of max would hurt BC pretty badly, considering the rest of GMs left.
"ur wrong about ur own opinion"
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Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Already said I dont want him to resign
already said im not fighting it
>wants to be staff member
>doesn't know wtf's going on
Everything that you say is false I read all your comments you may not say that you don't want him to resign but from what you wrote in the last couple of days you do.
lel
Yeah cause I have a reason to lie about my opinions vs max. I don't want BC to end, if I did, I wouldn't be here and I would be helping the other server. Getting rid of max would hurt BC pretty badly, considering the rest of GMs left.
"ur wrong about ur own opinion"
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What?
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Purple on November 13, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: -Speedy- on November 13, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Max isn't going to resign Asmit so just stop fighting it.
Already said I dont want him to resign
already said im not fighting it
>wants to be staff member
>doesn't know wtf's going on
Everything that you say is false I read all your comments you may not say that you don't want him to resign but from what you wrote in the last couple of days you do.
lel
Yeah cause I have a reason to lie about my opinions vs max. I don't want BC to end, if I did, I wouldn't be here and I would be helping the other server. Getting rid of max would hurt BC pretty badly, considering the rest of GMs left.
"ur wrong about ur own opinion"
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What?
You need to be more specific about what you didn't understand. The first "ur" stands for "You're" and the second "ur" stands for "your".