Think about it. What is used to measure the movement of time? Time itself? I think that time is preoccupied.
If you don't use time, what then? What would really qualify to measure the movement of time?
Time like any other logical explanation is purely man made sure.
But my answer to your question is that time is an extension of the theory of relativity. All you really need to understand is velocity and gravitational time dilation to make a reference point / grasp of how we even formulated such a precise measurement.
TL;DR it's all relativity and just as an analog clock moves from point A to B (ie 7:15 to 7:20 let's say) you will always be able to reference another constantly moving object such as the earth or w/e to another such as it's orbit around the sun. I'm not gonna go in to finesse of things though because it will just confuse a lot of people and I doubt more than a few would even understand it.
Quote from: nanak tatum on May 28, 2014, 02:19:38 AM
Quote from: JustRK on May 28, 2014, 02:15:52 AM
Time like any other logical explanation is purely man made sure.
But my answer to your question is that time is an extension of the theory of relativity. All you really need to understand is velocity and gravitational time dilation to make a reference point / grasp of how we even formulated such a precise measurement.
TL;DR it's all relativity and just as an analog clock moves from point A to B (ie 7:15 to 7:20 let's say) you will always be able to reference another constantly moving object such as the earth or w/e to another such as it's orbit around the sun. I'm not gonna go in to finesse of things though because it will just confuse a lot of people and I doubt more than a few would even understand it.
the TLDR is longer than the actual thing lol.
time is crime so dont be grime if you cant do the time!
I threw in the TL;DR for comic relief because I didn't explain what I said before that regarding gravitational time dilation, etc
in short, should one understand how that works then time does not in fact measure itself and time will always be measured through relativity. Universal Time (UTC) is determined from earths constant rotation and this is how we can split time zones and sync digital clocks ;D the more you know haha.
If i'm understanding what RK is saying (Its worded a bit weird so iunno) then he's saying that time is something that we thought of and is based off what we believe the actual measurement is but technically it's not 100% correct. If you ever take a physics course you will learn of something called time dilation, this means as you get closer and closer to the speed of light the amount of change in the relative time changes exponentially. Since the earth is moving in an orbit around the sun and rotates on its axis it can't really be a perfect measure of 0 time dilation. To make something 100% perfect it would have to have 0 velocity which is impossible except in the case of reference frames which is why we can use the earth as a proper measure because all measurements are made on the earth about the earth (ofc without going into relativity).
Sorry for the rant and wall of text, just something interesting to think about.
This is stupid. Time on it's own is irrelevant, sorta. Time does not measure itself, we measure time. We decide how long a second, minute, etc is based upon our perception.
Quote from: nanak tatum on May 28, 2014, 03:04:30 AM
Quote from: Rossbach on May 28, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
This is stupid. Time on it's own is irrelevant, sorta. Time does not measure it's self, we measure time. We decide how long a second, minute, etc is based upon our perception.
God measures time...
Did you have to start this? Leave now.
Quote from: nanak tatum on May 28, 2014, 03:04:30 AM
Quote from: Rossbach on May 28, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
This is stupid. Time on it's own is irrelevant, sorta. Time does not measure it's self, we measure time. We decide how long a second, minute, etc is based upon our perception.
God measures time...
haha good joke
Quote from: Rossbach on May 28, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
This is stupid. Time on it's own is irrelevant, sorta. Time does not measure it's self, we measure time. We decide how long a second, minute, ect is, based upon our perception.
Indeed, I was gunna edit my post and say this but decided not to because I didn't really know how to word it.
If you say that there are 60 minutes in an hour and there are 60 seconds in a minutes and that would continue on and on. We defined a second by a fraction of a day (which by the way has changed as we have learned more and more) but them we get into the measurement of a day which is how long it takes for 1 full rotation of the earth (which is not actually 24 hours, 24 hours is just something approximated to simplicity this is what causes us to have leap years) but that is defined by a unit of time. So as Ross said, time is defined by man. Then again so are most things. ::)
@med this is why in my first explanation I said someone would have to understand gravitational time dilation in regards to special relativity
what you explained would dive into accelerated & inertial reference frames. You might have learned about Ephemeris time and that is where we addressed the concern of the limitation of humans trying to calculate relativity of the earths orbit around the sun.
now we have the caesium standard through electronic oscillation and although we can never be completely 100% accurate, a mere nanoseconds is a lot better than what we first generated ;D
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
*REAL* tl;dr you measure time with the amount of sand going trough a hole
otherwise you use a ****ing clock and stop trying to act smart. cheers ;D
Short and 100% accurate answer is god. Whether people believe it or not...
Quote from: Bombz on May 28, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Short and 100% accurate answer is god. Whether people believe it or not...
inb4 a religious debate takes place. Honestly though for everyone saying "god = time" in relation to the topic. Observational science has proven that the earth is older than the bible (or w/e religious script) says it is.
Both time and the presence of god are man made projections and honestly almost everything projected by ancient scripts has been pretty much
wrong. If I wrote in a blank book right now that there will be a great earth quake a hundred years from now; when the tectonic plates eventually collide and I'm correct, does that mean I'm a god ?
lol "Bible"
Coming from people who believe in talking bushes that magically light themselves on fire, a pregnant virgin and a man who rises from the dead.
Yet if you say anything about any of these things happening now days you'd be labelled as crazy/stupid not some son of an almighty powerful super-being who controls all.
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Yz on May 28, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
[/quote
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
]Its okay ,its your choice if you don't beleive in God but you cant stop me from believing in the things I want to believe so don't reply to my post,if you don't like it,say whatever you feel like.
"so don't reply to my post"
"say whatever you feel like."
Alright. ::)
Quote from: Yz on May 28, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
you can't prove him wrong or right. it's a belief for a reason, let him base his thoughts on it.
yall *****s can beleive whatever the **** you want
but dont bring god into a discussion about ****ing time
time as nothing to do with god
Didn't read past comments.
Wasn't time measured by cycles at first? and as "time" progressed, people adapted the cycle to a better method of time telling.
how can time be real if our eyes arent real
Quote from: Cooky on May 29, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
how can time be real if our eyes arent real
cooky smith
there are theories that suggest time is a figment of our imagination, yet it's powerful enough to cause aging and other properties related to a lapse of time. It's proven that mental effects and stimulation are powerful enough to alter ourselves physically and change the way we think, behave, etc.
Meaning if we as humans agree time is a continuous thing that is constructed to explain events going on, we age accordingly and die off. If we truly believe and somehow convince ourselves time doesn't exist (and comprehend/explain everything without it's presence), we're technically immortal. But to comprehend that you need to grow which causes aging and it's a sort of endless loop because you have to acknowledge that and shit.
I think there are ways of debunking this theory (not so hard) but ultimately it's a possibility.
Quote from: KillerPig on May 28, 2014, 09:11:11 PM
yall *****s can beleive whatever the **** you want
but dont bring god into a discussion about ****ing time
time as nothing to do with god
God makes all.... jk he is probs not real.
Well, i sometimes wear a watch while i jog, so yeah the answer is taco.
Quote from: Pokeh on May 28, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Yz on May 28, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
you can't prove him wrong or right. it's a belief for a reason, let him base his thoughts on it.
you sound like a wiseass father or sumshit, i respect peoples beliefs but no one respects the christians who spout the word of jesus everywhere they can, and hey that even happens on this forum. either way i pretty sure he was jk
but wtf science has proved it wrong or right so pls
Time does move, otherwise if it wouldn't move how can it be we have minutues or why our clock goes from 11.49 to 11.50 aso...
Quote from: JustRK on May 28, 2014, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Bombz on May 28, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Short and 100% accurate answer is god. Whether people believe it or not...
inb4 a religious debate takes place. Honestly though for everyone saying "god = time" in relation to the topic. Observational science has proven that the earth is older than the bible (or w/e religious script) says it is.
Both time and the presence of god are man made projections and honestly almost everything projected by ancient scripts has been pretty much wrong. If I wrote in a blank book right now that there will be a great earth quake a hundred years from now; when the tectonic plates eventually collide and I'm correct, does that mean I'm a god ?
I respect your thought. ;)
Quote from: BlackStickre on May 29, 2014, 07:49:50 AM
Time does move, otherwise if it wouldn't move how can it be we have minutues or why our clock goes from 11.49 to 11.50 aso...
that's space, not time
you cant see time flowing, only space
Quote from: hawk5005 on May 29, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: BlackStickre on May 29, 2014, 07:49:50 AM
Time does move, otherwise if it wouldn't move how can it be we have minutues or why our clock goes from 11.49 to 11.50 aso...
that's space, not time
you cant see time flowing, only space
What about the sun & moon, when the sun rises up or when it gets dark you can perfectly see that
Quote from: Yz on May 29, 2014, 05:20:49 AM
Quote from: Pokeh on May 28, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Yz on May 28, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
you can't prove him wrong or right. it's a belief for a reason, let him base his thoughts on it.
you sound like a wiseass father or sum****, i respect peoples beliefs but no one respects the christians who spout the word of jesus everywhere they can, and hey that even happens on this forum. either way i pretty sure he was jk
but wtf science has proved it wrong or right so pls
o if he was jk then w.e btw he didnt say a thing about being christian
science hasnt proved shit lol
Quote from: BlackStickre on May 29, 2014, 05:40:21 PMWhat about the sun & moon, when the sun rises up or when it gets dark you can perfectly see that
see what? that we changed our position in relation with the sun?
thats space again
you cant see time flowing, you just know it must exist otherwise it wouldn't make any sense
Quote from: hawk5005 on May 29, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: BlackStickre on May 29, 2014, 05:40:21 PMWhat about the sun & moon, when the sun rises up or when it gets dark you can perfectly see that
see what? that we changed our position in relation with the sun?
thats space again
you cant see time flowing, you just know it must exist otherwise it wouldn't make any sense
True, but you cannot calculate the trajectory of an object without time which is why anything in observational science has space and time interwoven to form the space time continuum. Therefore in a scientific sense you actually are witnessing the flow of time with your eyes because time is considered a dimension.
Quote from: JustRK on May 29, 2014, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: hawk5005 on May 29, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: BlackStickre on May 29, 2014, 05:40:21 PMWhat about the sun & moon, when the sun rises up or when it gets dark you can perfectly see that
see what? that we changed our position in relation with the sun?
thats space again
you cant see time flowing, you just know it must exist otherwise it wouldn't make any sense
True, but you cannot calculate the trajectory of an object without time which is why anything in observational science has space and time interwoven to form the space time continuum. Therefore in a scientific sense you actually are witnessing the flow of time with your eyes because time is considered a dimension.
I ment you can calculate what time it is by looking at the sun's position, when it gets dark you know it's being late when the sun rises you know its morgning
itt you see a bunch of stupid people trying to look intelligent
@title, imo no and I have an explanation for that
Quote from: Epic xD on May 29, 2014, 06:23:31 PM
itt you see a bunch of stupid people trying to look intelligent
You can calculate it.
noblem trolled us all again
gg
Quote from: Cooky on May 29, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
how can time be real if our eyes arent real
get outtt
who is it
Quote from: Pokeh on May 29, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: Yz on May 29, 2014, 05:20:49 AM
Quote from: Pokeh on May 28, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: Yz on May 28, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: kulvinder on May 28, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Our whole life is like a play and God is the playwritter.
The least we can do is be entertaining.
@Topic Time is only measured by us because we are humans.No one knows how the universe came to being.
We all could be in the matrix right now.
god's not real don't bring it into this not like im interested in this debate in particular
you can't prove him wrong or right. it's a belief for a reason, let him base his thoughts on it.
you sound like a wiseass father or sum****, i respect peoples beliefs but no one respects the christians who spout the word of jesus everywhere they can, and hey that even happens on this forum. either way i pretty sure he was jk
but wtf science has proved it wrong or right so pls
o if he was jk then w.e btw he didnt say a thing about being christian
science hasnt proved **** lol
yes science hasnt proved anything finally someone understandsssss
disproved a lotta theories proved evolution etc im not having this convo loool
Quote from: Yz on May 31, 2014, 03:53:05 AM
disproved a lotta theories proved evolution etc im not having this convo loool
just gonna say that science doesn't have its shi-t together. not gonna continue onwards after this either since i think we both know nobodies going to suddenly believe something else cuz someone "opened their eyes" by posting on bc forums of all places regarding the answers of the universe xD
I was just curious and asked it.
Anyway, I don't involve in scientific and religious debates.
Quote from: KillerPig on May 30, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
who is it
My identity is of no importance.