Opti, do you believe in the Big Bang theory?
And do you believe that truth is relative or absolute?
I'm learning more and more f00l. =)
Big Bang theory is as weird as religion
Quote from: Iridion on January 05, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
Big Bang theory is as weird as religion
Not really. At least, scientific can explain the big bang. It's not like the shit of god who created humans -_-
And the big bang is is possible if we see the theory of the evolution.
Big bang is a reaction. To have a reaction you need elements. How could the big bang happen if there werent elements or anything else before it?
A negative can never be proven. Prove pigs fly. Prove I can't fly. Prove martians don't exist. Prove eagles don't spit magma. These statements, nor any statement for that matter can ever be proven 100 percent with regard to philosophy. However, compounding evidence and stacking the odds for a specific question enables validity.
For instance, does the Herpes Zoster Virus cause chicken pox? The answer: most likely. One can never be certain.
Whether truth is relative or absolute is a matter of subjective opinions. I understand many truths are absolute, while others are relative. Given my educational level, you and I would disagree on matters as absolute or relative; however, remember, I have compounding, reproducible, stand-alone-evidence that gives validity to what I "believe". Moreover, tangible results that enable benefit or harm could be demonstrated at numerous levels on a plethora of topics, substantiating the aforesaid statement.
The answer: truth is both or only one option depending on the individual. However, those that give advancement to society see many truths as absolute, and not relative (scientists). For instance, vaccinations, cancer treatment, surgical procedures that enable life-sustaining/saving methodologies to be repetitively implemented with success, etc., are considered absolute truths by those who perform the task to safe a life and by those saved.
If you can't get past the philosophy of the relativity of certain matters, then you will under-live your true potential and for this, I pitty you and wish you a great education that enables a revelation.
As for the Big Bang theory, refer to the red text. Christianity is none of this and therefore, is not a valid belief. If you still disagree, I demand a full paper from you within 2 weeks explaining the big-bang (in paraphrase of course, of how it occurred and why scientists state they've detected remnants and how these remnants correlate to the Big Bang itself). Keep in mind, the writing of this paper must include references from reputable academic sources (peer-reviewed, which are validated through an objective means). Only then will you truly come to appreciate the red text listed previously. If you don't understand something written, then consult another source for clarity. Off you go.
http://godisimaginary.com/
I did read the first two lines :D
You just ruined my life,now I know that after I die everything will disappear for me and I will stop existing. :'(
Quote from: Optimism on January 05, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
A negative can never be proven. Prove pigs fly. Prove I can't fly. Prove martians don't exist. Prove eagles don't spit magma. These statements, nor any statement for that matter can ever be proven 100 percent with regard to philosophy. However, compounding evidence and stacking the odds for a specific question enables validity.
For instance, does the Herpes Zoster Virus cause chicken pox? The answer: most likely. One can never be certain.
Whether truth is relative or absolute is a matter of subjective opinions. I understand many truths are absolute, while others are relative. Given my educational level, you and I would disagree on matters as absolute or relative; however, remember, I have compounding, reproducible, stand-alone-evidence that gives validity to what I "believe". Moreover, tangible results that enable benefit or harm could be demonstrated at numerous levels on a plethora of topics, substantiating the aforesaid statement.
The answer: truth is both or only one option depending on the individual. However, those that give advancement to society see many truths as absolute, and not relative (scientists). For instance, vaccinations, cancer treatment, surgical procedures that enable life-sustaining/saving methodologies to be repetitively implemented with success, etc., are considered absolute truths by those who perform the task to safe a life and by those saved.
If you can't get past the philosophy of the relativity of certain matters, then you will under-live your true potential and for this, I pitty you and wish you a great education that enables a revelation.
As for the Big Bang theory, refer to the red text. Christianity is none of this and therefore, is not a valid belief. If you still disagree, I demand a full paper from you within 2 weeks explaining the big-bang (in paraphrase of course, of how it occurred and why scientists state they've detected remnants and how these remnants correlate to the Big Bang itself). Keep in mind, the writing of this paper must include references from reputable academic sources (peer-reviewed, which are validated through an objective means). Only then will you truly come to appreciate the red text listed previously. If you don't understand something written, then consult another source for clarity. Off you go.
http://godisimaginary.com/
Oh my God.
Do you believe that
a. Truth is Relativeor
b. Truth is Absolutea or
b, Opti >_>.
And, no, I shall not author a work on a false and absurd topic that holds no more - and most probably much less - validity than does God.
Give me a
short and
to the point reason for why you believe the big bang is the reason for the universe, and I'll reply with a short and to the point reason why it is not.
Questions aren't always answered that simply -- you have my answer.
If you refute self-research, I deny you my answer.
Truth is relative.
Myself and Opti both believe it.
Quote from: Allie on January 05, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
Truth is relative.
Myself and Opti both believe it.
I don't believe this, per my earlier statement. Apparently you didn't read it >.>.
You believe it because I believe it.
That's not how the world works Angel.
Quote from: Optimism on January 05, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
Questions aren't always answered that simply -- you have my answer.
If you refute self-research, I deny you my answer.
Of course I research (thus my "I'm learning more and more" comment), but I do have a life.
What is self-research to you? A wall of text with a giant quote from some webpage?
Quote from: Allie on January 05, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
Truth is relative.
Is it absolutely true that truth is relative?
Going back to the belief of God.
"If God doesn't exists and you believe in him,you don't lose anything.But if God exists and you don't believe in him,then you lose everything."
Do it your way,but I believe in God because I'm a Christian.
Even if God doesn't exists,believing in him is a good thing because we think that there is life after death,if we knew there wouldn't be anything after death,most of us would fall in depression,so thinking that there is life after death,therefore there is a God,it gives us hope. :)
Quote from: hawk5005 on January 06, 2011, 08:12:02 AM
Going back to the belief of God.
"If God doesn't exists and you believe in him,you don't lose anything.But if God exists and you don't believe in him,then you lose everything."
Do it your way,but I believe in God because I'm a Christian.
Even if God doesn't exists,believing in him is a good thing because we think that there is life after death,if we knew there wouldn't be anything after death,most of us would fall in depression,so thinking that there is life after death,therefore there is a God,it gives us hope. :)
Then every atheist should be depressed ._.
Quote from: Iridion on January 06, 2011, 08:15:17 AM
Then every atheist should be depressed ._.
I agree :]
But atheist are not depressed
Quote from: Iridion on January 06, 2011, 08:18:59 AM
But atheist are not depressed
Yeah I know, it was a joke , they believe in science an other things so they aren't depressed /
Quote from: Xrow on January 06, 2011, 03:31:56 AM
Is it absolutely true that truth is relative?
Relatively.
Religion has it`s purpose because many people don`t commit crimes against others, so the fear of going to hell is a good thing.
Religion is like a penis.
Its good to have one, its good to feel proud of it, but don't show it off in public or stuff it down my childrens throats
Quote from: Tricky on January 06, 2011, 09:18:13 AM
Religion is like a penis.
Its good to have one, its good to feel proud of it, but don't show it off in public or stuff it down my childrens throats
I really lol'd at this one :D
Quote from: Allie on January 05, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
Truth is relative.
If truth was actually relative, this would be a statement of
absolute truth ::)
Quote from: Xrow on January 06, 2011, 06:23:32 PM
If truth was actually relative, this would be a statement of absolute truth ::)
Relatively.
The statement, silly.
Quote from: cjtown on January 05, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
Not really. At least, scientific can explain the big bang. It's not like the shit of god who created humans -_-
And the big bang is is possible if we see the theory of the UGLY PONIES.
But you also got to think WHO or WHAT created the universe, how did the so called enormous asteroids come to be without, in fact how did anything happen.....matter cannot create itself.....how after the so called "big bang theory" did life come to be....how did plants come to be how did animals come to be ? After the two so called asteroids collided and made the planets n everything why would they not just remain rock like both of them used to be ? How would they have just magically turned into life since nothing was living on the asteroids anyways.....you gotta think about all that stuff how did life REALLY come to be in fact how did ANYTHING come to be, without something supernatural to create it...
::)
Back at you.
You noobs and your magically appearing supernatural forces.
Zero usually discusses things like this on bar.
Quote from: Allie on January 06, 2011, 06:38:45 PM
Back at you.
You noobs and your magically appearing supernatural forces.
That's the thing how did anything n i mean anything come to be with out something out of the ordinary.....
Quote from: Allie on January 06, 2011, 06:38:45 PM
Back at you.
You noobs and your magically appearing supernatural forces.
You ask me to explain where God came from.
I ask you to explain where the first big bang came from.
Hypothetical:
I can't explain the big-bang theory what-so-ever and have no knowledge of how the universe was formulated into existence. Does this mean I automatically believe that some giant fairy in the sky created everything?
This is what is referred to God of the gaps. Look it up you dumbass.
Man...you're hopless.
Your getting pathetically annoying, thats the point.
You and your damn science can't explain the universe any more than I can.
The theory that nature accidentally created self replicating cells after a giant explosion is just so damn retardedly absurd.
You are pathetic >__>
Quote from: Xrow on January 06, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
Your getting pathetically annoying, thats the point.
You and your damn science can't explain the universe any more than I can.
The theory that nature accidentally created self replicating cells after a giant explosion is just so damn retardedly absurd.
You are pathetic >__>
Hypothetical: Science cannot explain anything (LOL).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
Does this mean you automatically attribute it to a god? It does if you're a ****ing idiot that uses faith (ignorance in the guise of virtue).
Now, back to reality. Its proven that science saves lives. Conversely, one can't say the same for religion -- statistical analysis being its downfall here.
GOD OF THE GAPSAd hominid all you wish -- your responses ALWAYS lack substantive reasoning. Always.
Zero will pick the baseball bat if you 2 don't stop with this stupid flame war.
I'll also lock this thread. So... please, stop. Thank you.
big letters and angry science debates on the internet
Quote from: Optimism on January 06, 2011, 08:26:56 PM
Hypothetical: Science cannot explain anything (LOL).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
Does this mean you automatically attribute it to a god? It does if you're a ****ing idiot that uses faith (ignorance in the guise of virtue).
Now, back to reality. Its proven that science saves lives. Conversely, one can't say the same for religion -- statistical analysis being its downfall here.
GOD OF THE GAPS
Ad hominid all you wish -- your responses ALWAYS lack substantive reasoning. Always.
I never said it couldn't explain anything, lrn2read.
You use faith as well, retard. You have to have faith that whatever you read is true.
http://www.god-book.com/WhyAtheismIsFalse.htm
Educate yourself.
Btw, I could say 'UGLY PONIES of the Gaps' is just as plausible as 'God of the Gaps.'
>_>
"OH YAA WE CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE STARTED BUT IT ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN GOD YAAA K"
Quote from: Xrow on January 06, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
I never said it couldn't explain anything, lrn2read.
You use faith as well, retard. You have to have faith that whatever you read is true.
http://www.god-book.com/WhyAtheismIsFalse.htm
Educate yourself.
Btw, I could say 'UGLY PONIES of the Gaps' is just as plausible as 'God of the Gaps.'
>_>
"OH YAA WE CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE UNIVERSE STARTED BUT IT ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN GOD YAAA K"
I lol'd. Locked.
Quote from: Xrow on January 06, 2011, 08:15:32 PM
You ask me to explain where God came from.
I ask you to explain where the first big bang came from.
So you get what I'm getting at here ;o.
I don't care for where the first big bang came from, I don't believe in the big bang.
However, you're asking 'So nothingness turned into everything and spread out', I'm asking 'How did nothingness turn into a superior god who can make everything'.
Gg Xrow.