BoutCheetah

Okay, I used get in an argument with Opti about this on BOTS all the time.

Somehow, it found its way back into my brain, and I wanna argue about it. So, yeah.

TA is broken TD is broken.

The ONLY fair flag/mini is TS. It adds NO advantages to an untransed bot.

If you think otherwise you are dumb. TA is whack, it allows you to hit for over 300+ which is COMPLETELY unfair.

Trans is supposed to give the power bonus, and the defensive bonus Otherwise, why would you trans? . It's not one sided as most of you think it should be. (This only applies to you if you think TA is fair.)

You are supposed to be at an complete advantage while transed. Your biggest disadvantage is no evade bubble. Allowing TA users to completely rape you.

You can't evade in trans, so getting hit can and will be the difference between winning and losing. 

TD gives an advantage, yes. And It is slightly better, especially since you can now hit for over 100 even with no TA. (Against a trans)

But don't complain about how unfair it is. Either get TD, or EVERYONE start using TS. Anyone who says otherwise is a nub and needs to shoot themselves.

Completely agree.

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 07, 2011, 03:25:26 AM
You are supposed to be at an complete advantage while transed. Your biggest disadvantage is no evade bubble. Allowing TA users to completely rape you.

I dislike Td users because they makes Trans packs useless. But you have your point against TA and I agree with that.

Lyric knows best..

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 07, 2011, 07:35:26 AM
Lyric knows best..

Now you must learn what modesty means...

Modesty

Learn how to PvP.

TA: Most people run from trans anyway, so who ****ing cares about TA.
TD: Destroys the power of the trans, making the game unfair.
TS: Disallows the opponent to stop you from transing.

TA - Who the **** cares who has it in PvP, noone actually good uses it anyway.
TD - Take that shit off in PvP.
TS - Possibly the most op set/unfair set for PvP.


Everyone else who posted here fails completely at PvP, so so far only my opinion matters.

Wheres the wrong button?
I lol'D:< at your modesty post.

TS is the only one that makes it fair.

Allie is wrong!

Damage goes both ways, whether you are taking the beating, or dishing it out.

Most people run and counter, and that counter makes a difference.

You suck at PvP, as does anyone who agrees with you.

The counter to the opponent is so they do not hit you.
If you suck so much at trans chasing that you can't get more hits in than your opponent, go learn how to PvP.

If you suck so much you depend on trans, then learn to pvp.
:P

If you suck so much you think I suck at trans, don't worry about this TA such, it's too top tier for you.

Kowhax.

Pwnt

TS on rams ftw.  START THE REVOLUTION!

Quote from: Jeffalo13 on January 07, 2011, 09:47:18 AM
TS on rams ftw.  START THE REVOLUTION!

Buy transformation cupom -> Transform into a RAM -> Buy TS set.
FOR THE REVOLUTION!

srs

What about PvPing without coin items? No ****nig TA/TD/TS, just skills.  /Problem solved.

Destroy is right.

Coins were meant to give advantages.

So go coinless or stfu.

Who care if the player use TA, TD, TS or nothing? It's a game.

If you're crying because the other player have TD by example and you don't want to trans, deal with it. If you're enough good to PvP decently, then close your mouth and play.

They are there to be used, if they think they are so much pro with TA, go coinless and play against him to show you don't need any coin items to be good.

This is so children to make thread like that seriously.

lmao 6 people worship you Lyric_  :o

Quote from: cjtown on January 07, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
This is so children to make thread like that seriously.

LOLOLOLOLL LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

C'est enfantin si t'aime mieux.

And your poll is wrong. You didn't learn how to make one in university yet?

Quote from: cjtown on January 07, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
Who care if the player use TA, TD, TS or nothing? It's a game. HEAD SHOT!

If you're crying because the other player have TD by example and you don't want to trans, deal with it. DOUBLE KILL! If you're enough good to PvP decently, then close your mouth and play. TRIPLE KILL!

They are there to be used, if they think they are so much pro with TA, go coinless and play against him to show you don't need any coin items to be good. MULTI KILL!

This is so children to make thread like that seriously. MONSTER KILL...KILL...KILL!

Ok children every thing is unfair in this game. Lets get on naked coin-less lv 1's without anything (including skills) because guess what.

What people think is the problem because they got beat because of the diff in:
-Lag
-Coin items
-Hacking
-Levels
-Armor
-Skills
-Damage done
-Damage taken
-HP
-Camping
-Running
-Jumping
-Surge
-Ram
-Patch


So lets just take that all away.

In fact because we hate dealing/taking so much damage why not make all damage done to 1 that  will make it more fun. Even better lets take out running, camping, and jumping so lets just make it so people are stuck in one spot taking turns hitting each other. We can even make it so every one is one certain bot so there are no complaining "YOU ******* **** **** YOUR A SURGE UNFAIR YOU ******* **** ***** AND I'M A DAMN RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Ps. You will notice that it says there are more votes then what is shown because I chose option "4" Yeh it starts from 0 kinda odd.

This is stupid. Although i agree with the actual statement (TA doesnt make you pro), I think protesting about it is stupid. Man up and deal with it, or at least get your own TA/TD if you cant take it instead of complaining.

Quote from: ZeroUH on January 07, 2011, 04:14:52 PM

What's the point of this edit? lol

Quote from: Rossbach on January 07, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
Ok children every thing is unfair in this game. Lets get on naked coin-less lv 1's without anything (including skills) because guess what.

What people think is the problem because they got beat because of the diff in:
-Lag
-Coin items
-Hacking
-Levels
-Armor
-Skills
-Damage done
-Damage taken
-HP
-Camping
-Running
-Jumping
-Surge
-Ram
-Patch
-Spamming
-Upper Cut Spamming
-Patch with Upper Cut
-Noobs
-Luckies
-Holodeck
-EEpic  Noobs
-Pushing
--NOOOOOOOOOOOOBS


So lets just take that all away.

In fact because we hate dealing/taking so much damage why not make all damage done to 1 that  will make it more fun. Even better lets take out running, camping, and jumping so lets just make it so people are stuck in one spot taking turns hitting each other. We can even make it so every one is one certain bot so there are no complaining "YOU ******* **** **** YOUR A SURGE UNFAIR YOU ******* **** ***** AND I'M A DAMN RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Ps. You will notice that it says there are more votes then what is shown because I chose option "4" Yeh it starts from 0 kinda odd.

Quote from: Rossbach on January 07, 2011, 04:24:37 PM

Quote from: bangaer2 on January 07, 2011, 05:40:07 PM
Ok children every thing is unfair in this game. Lets get on naked coin-less lv 1's without anything (including skills) because guess what.

What people think is the problem because they got beat because of the diff in:
-Lag
-Coin items
-Hacking
-Levels
-Armor
-Skills
-Damage done
-Damage taken
-HP
-Camping
-Running
-Jumping
-Surge
-Ram
-Patch
-Spamming
-Upper Cut Spamming
-Patch with Upper Cut
-Noobs
-Luckies
-Holodeck
-EEpic  Noobs
-Pushing
--NOOOOOOOOOOOOBS



So lets just take that all away.

In fact because we hate dealing/taking so much damage why not make all damage done to 1 that  will make it more fun. Even better lets take out running, camping, and jumping so lets just make it so people are stuck in one spot taking turns hitting each other. We can even make it so every one is one certain bot so there are no complaining "YOU ******* **** **** YOUR A SURGE UNFAIR YOU ******* **** ***** AND I'M A DAMN RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Ps. You will notice that it says there are more votes then what is shown because I chose option "4" Yeh it starts from 0 kinda odd.

Win.

The point is, if you complain about TD I wanna shoot you in the face.

Fine: we will all switch to TS. The point is, I still hit you 500 damage, making the meta game (transformation stalking/running) relevant. I'm all for this!

Why TA is still a possibility: coin sets provide additional HP -- with TA, the extra damage brings the base hit ratio nearer to that of a coin-less game; however, it is slightly longer, adding to the intensity of the match. No one enjoys short, easy matches, especially myself. If you use TD in PvP (TD is acceptable in BvB because it has a weakness [unable to damage the base efficiently compared to a player with TA]) you're making a statement. This statement being you are too noob to handle transformations (running or stalking). As I stated previously, I'm fine with using TS, as I will still beat your ass in transformed play.

HOWEVER:

Why TA is used over TS: using TA actually enables sloppy trans usage to pay for flaws. If you suck terribly at utilizing trans, I'm going to hit you 1600-2k damage by the end of your duration. This enables an additional skill requirement (proper transformation usage). You see, Lyric, at the top tier, I like to make the game play as skilled as possible. You're simply dulling PvP down to a terribly newbish level by using TD and avoiding your pathetic weakness (the meta game). Additionally, the transformation gains a large benefit if used effectively (500+ damage per jump attack if used with efficacy). I can't be hit regularly in transformation (you'd be lucky to land a single hit on me throughout its duration). So this means, "OMFG TA GIVES 300 DAMAGE", is negated. If a good enough player is stalking you in transformation, running will be your only option. TA simply separates those who adhere to the epitome of play within PvP from all those other newbish idiots.

TA is where the pros sit my friend. Forever and always.

TL;DR -- TA enables the most skilled aspects of the game to be brought to fruition throughout game-play.

Opti, I did not bother reading what you said.

I did in-fact read the first line. ;)

All I know is, I win.

+1 for Lyric_.

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 07, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Opti, I did not bother reading what you said.

I did in-fact read the first line. ;)

All I know is, I win.

+1 for Lyric_.

Get pwnt, nooby XD.

I have decided not to read anything you say beyond the first line.

My simple mind cannot comprehend anymore than that.

+1 for Opti's superiority.

Superiority. What ****ing hard word to spell... I failed three times

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 07, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
I have decided not to ready anything you say beyond the first line.

My simple mind cannot comprehend anymore than that.

+1 for Opti's superiority.

Superiority. What ****ing hard word to spell... I failed three times

Alright, then.

Bitch we need to PvPar soon btw D:.

You are too good for Lyrix.

I will have to turn on Hacks and God acc to beat you.

Tehehe

Quote from: Optimism on January 07, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA TALK FOR A WHILE FOR A WALL OF TEXT.I AM GONNA

I can't believe you seriously wrote an essay on TA/TD/TS :P.

Quote from: Optimism on January 07, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
Fine: we will all switch to TS. The point is, I still hit you 500 damage, making the meta game (transformation stalking/running) relevant. I'm all for this!

Why TA is still a possibility: coin sets provide additional HP -- with TA, the extra damage brings the base hit ratio nearer to that of a coin-less game; however, it is slightly longer, adding to the intensity of the match. No one enjoys short, easy matches, especially myself. If you use TD in PvP (TD is acceptable in BvB because it has a weakness [unable to damage the base efficiently compared to a player with TA]) you're making a statement. This statement being you are too noob to handle transformations (running or stalking). As I stated previously, I'm fine with using TS, as I will still beat your ass in transformed play.

HOWEVER:

Why TA is used over TS: using TA actually enables sloppy trans usage to pay for flaws. If you suck terribly at utilizing trans, I'm going to hit you 1600-2k damage by the end of your duration. This enables an additional skill requirement (proper transformation usage). You see, Lyric, at the top tier, I like to make the game play as skilled as possible. You're simply dulling PvP down to a terribly newbish level by using TD and avoiding your pathetic weakness (the meta game). Additionally, the transformation gains a large benefit if used effectively (500+ damage per jump attack if used with efficacy). I can't be hit regularly in transformation (you'd be lucky to land a single hit on me throughout its duration). So this means, "OMFG TA GIVES 300 DAMAGE", is negated. If a good enough player is stalking you in transformation, running will be your only option. TA simply separates those who adhere to the epitome of play within PvP from all those other newbish idiots.

TA is where the pros sit my friend. Forever and always.

TL;DR -- TA enables the most skilled aspects of the game to be brought to fruition throughout game-play.

trolled like a nigger bitch opti

Quote from: Tricky on January 07, 2011, 10:39:47 PM
trolled like a nigger bitch opti

In this case, even if it were a troll (which it wasn't -- lyric loves his TD), I would take the bait in hopes a few would educate themselves. WHATEVER URE STILL FAT d:

im opti 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tl;dr my argument > yours, trolled by my 7 hour post!

Lyrix loves TD, TA, and TS.

Lyrix just hates when people complain about TD being nub.

I'm not even full TD, just enough to make damage hit from 200-300. (That's still fair)

Most of the community is full TD. Even the so-called "pros".




(Lyrix doesn't consider himselfs pro.)

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 08, 2011, 12:31:33 AM
Lyrix loves TD, TA, and TS.

Lyrix just hates when people complain about TD being nub.

I'm not even full TD, just enough to make damage hit from 200-300. (That's still fair)

Most of the community is full TD. Even the so-called "pros".




(Lyrix doesn't consider himselfs pro.)

What is pro, really? lol. Pretty VAGUE.

I'd say you're pro. Tricky on the other hand is a helpless sperm without a vagina without his lag (one of my more fail analogies >.>).

in other words, im in someone going through puberty =D i will grow big and strong and make a baby

Quote from: Tricky on January 08, 2011, 12:46:16 AM
in other words, im in someone going through puberty =D i will grow big and strong and make a baby

But you're 36...LOL.

i didn't say it wasn't a little boy. there is nothing wrong with our love

Quote from: Tricky on January 08, 2011, 12:51:59 AM
i didn't say it wasn't a little boy. there is nothing wrong with our love

Disturbing!

Quote from: Lyric_ on January 07, 2011, 07:41:38 AM
Modesty

Pwned

Opti, you are so pathetic sometimes. :3
in a jk way

Quote from: Iridion on January 08, 2011, 04:41:34 PM
Opti, you are so pathetic sometimes. :3
in a jk way

Weren't you just groveling for new flags?

:P