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Title: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
After months, we in Administration have finally thought of a few ways that could possibly fix our overpowered Bot Stract issue.
We have multiple great ideas, many from you players in my suggestions (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,20891.0.html) thread, and have come up with a list of some ideas that could be implemented.
Please read through every idea before giving your opinion, as I'm taking every single one of your opinions into consideration when making this big decision.



First off, we have the "Fuel" idea.
In this idea, bot stract will be treated as a fuel, fueling your bot with the power it needs to gain the bonus it gives you.
This is the most logical idea, as it's just plain unrealistic to just gain the power without any fuel to do so.
In this idea, you will lose .7% of your bot stract every game.
.7% seems so large when it comes to big numbers, but you must remember that realistically, to give a higher bonus requires more fuel, thus more is lost when you reach higher numbers.
For example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain a large stat bonus in-game, however you will use up .7% of your bot stract, which is 18,069 stract. As a result, you'll have 2,563,279 at the end of your game.
However, if you only have 9,283 bot stract, you will only lose 65 bot stract, resulting in 9,218 bot stract at the end of your game. -iwasbobo

In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim


Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim


And then, of course, there's the option to do both ideas.
This means, swap the bonus to HP whilst also burning some stract every game.
I'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Nucleaon on December 30, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
Fuel
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.

And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: NeoKiller on December 30, 2011, 08:39:39 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:32:52 PM

In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim


Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim
Those two ideas combined.
If this isn't possible, only the HP idea then.
If the fuel idea will be implemented there will be a huge drama.
HP Idea doesn't OP too much but is still a nice bonus.
Edit: Fuel idea doesn't really solve everything since you can still do 2,3k gun dmg in pvp...
Of course they looste the BS from time to time but people who do good buisness easily earn BS after loosing it again.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 30, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.

And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.
^ That all of you who means HP is too OP. I vote both since Hawk isn't paying me as I wanted it.
If Both then HP won't be that OP again.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 30, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
Having 6000 extra HP is op. I vote for Fuel.

And hitting 3000s with gun isn't?
I said the numbers could change.

Of course it is. But the only way to stop people from complaining is to have something be OP. Then you get the other players complain that its OP. You guys messed up by implementing it in the first place. Atleast with the fuel idea you could argue "Being op comes with a price".
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: AllEyesOnMe on December 30, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
Fuel.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 30, 2011, 09:01:45 PM
I can't believe people are being such BS addicts. I have 2,2m BS on low and I will gladly give it up to make this game more equal. I just want it to be equal to all and not to be forced to use Surge. I wanna use Patch and Ram but Surge is so OP that it's useless to use the two other bot types. Stop being so selfish.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Dewo on December 30, 2011, 09:13:09 PM
I vote for both. Based on what Hj said.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Rossbach on December 30, 2011, 09:16:24 PM
Fuel.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 30, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
If it gets fuel I suggest 10% bs each game.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: jkider on December 30, 2011, 09:48:58 PM
I dislike the idea of "fuel", because it uses up bs. For me, power and bonus really does not matter in this game. it will be unfair in pvp and in sector once yu reach max level, would exchanging bs for fuel really do anything much ?

The idea of hp is the same the system except different stat increase and max limit. If you are a good sector bot, hp doens't really matter because there will be at least one hp up or rebirth in the game. Seriously? just get better in the game


If this system were to be implemented, there should at least be a turn on or off button as not everyone wants to use bs as a fuel, well not all the time.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yoshi91 on December 30, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
I vote for both ideas (Fuel+HP) to be implemented. I believe this would be more satisfactory toward both the people with tons of BS and those with only small amounts.

While the Fuel idea could help in the short term, it'll wear out the effects of BS in the long term. The HP idea wouldn't help out with depleting and cycling the BS much but it provides better chances for the poorer people to benefit.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: TwitchFast on December 30, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
I vote for fuel, the health bonus seems like it's only good in absolutely massive quantities.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 30, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
Fuel + Health, in that situation it'll get rid of any possible real op'ness, because the only bonus it will give is to make your chance of living longer better; on top of that there will no longer be any differentiation between the bonuses for the bot types, so no one will be able to take advantage of anything that someone else can't. Finally when you add the fuel in to it you make it so every round you are risking an amount of your bs, so people would be more careful about using it, and there'd be less to go around.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 30, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
Fuel + Health, in that situation it'll get rid of any possible real op'ness, because the only bonus it will give is to make your chance of living longer better; on top of that there will no longer be any differentiation between the bonuses for the bot types, so no one will be able to take advantage of anything that someone else can't. Finally when you add the fuel in to it you make it so every round you are risking an amount of your bs, so people would be more careful about using it, and there'd be less to go around.

This made me change my mind, I vote for fuel + health.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: RedNeon on December 31, 2011, 12:38:23 AM
Fuel.  :-X
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: xbaras on December 31, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.

I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.

I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 12:56:59 AM
Quote from: xbaras on December 31, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.

I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.

I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.

.7%..
And you fail to see how it goes.
10 games isn't .7% x 10 = 7% of your bot stract gone.
It's .7% of your current stract.

Also, the activate fuel thing is retarded.
Choose between losing bot stract or not losing it without any other variables.
I can't believe you'd even suggest that.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Pokeh on December 31, 2011, 01:41:25 AM
Both could work hand in hand together.

Soo +1 for both.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: alino1 on December 31, 2011, 02:30:29 AM
Fuel. :P
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Scythe on December 31, 2011, 02:30:42 AM
Fuel exchange!
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: 123bomb123 on December 31, 2011, 02:34:03 AM
Fuel but no buying it with gigas..
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Click on December 31, 2011, 02:51:13 AM
Both of the ideas, becasue these solutions literally solve the BS issue we had.
The HP bonus won't harm anyone, and the fuel idea will keep the amount of BS balanced.
Great suggestions.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Scythe on December 31, 2011, 03:19:05 AM
HP bonus
Fuel(will be wasted little by little each game)
Fuel exchange(people will have to waste their gigas to buy bs after they are out of bs,and if they are out of gigas,they will need to grind more)
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Energized on December 31, 2011, 04:23:13 AM
My oipinion is the Giga suggestion.
Gigas are easy yo gain,and the more Gigas we gain, the more BS we'll gain.
But if the Giga suggestion will be made, the bonuses of the BS will remain the same?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: spiderstar on December 31, 2011, 04:38:07 AM
Quote from: xbaras on December 31, 2011, 12:45:03 AM
I think it should stay the way it is now, Bot stract has no effect in PvP and only useful in sector.

I disagree with the fuel idea, as i find it hard to replace 70% of my Bot-Stract after only ten games. Make it less than 7% per game, and there should also be an option where you could activate the fuel effect with a click of a button, otherwise it will have no effect.

I +1 the hp idea though, it's useful yet not op.

I agree with xbaras..
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 05:07:20 AM
fuel + hp mixed togheter. thanks bobo! and grim ::)
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:09:33 AM
people are underrating how OP hp will make a person lol
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:28:22 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:09:33 AM
people are underrating how OP hp will make a person lol

Not really, someone that suck at pvp will still suck at pvp after you give them more hp, the round will just last longer. o-o
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:29:25 AM
people who own at pvp with more hp will be invincible tho

give opti +2000 hp and it'd be enough so that he could beat me 100% of the time imo instead of just 50%
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:39:10 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:29:25 AM
people who own at pvp with more hp will be invincible tho

give opti +2000 hp and it'd be enough so that he could beat me 100% of the time imo instead of just 50%

So it ensures that people that are good at pvp have a defense against lag and such, pretty much o-o; it's more of a reward
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:40:08 AM
i don't understand what you're saying but anyway i vote for fuel
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:41:16 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:40:08 AM
i don't understand what you're saying but anyway i vote for fuel

I'm saying it'll give more to it's original purpose, it'll be a reward for those that love pvp o-o
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:42:52 AM
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay

thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:46:01 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:42:52 AM
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay

thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~

the max hp a person could even get added would be 6k, 2k could make no one invincible in sector, and it'd only make a person invincible in pvp if they were actually good o-o
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:46:51 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:46:01 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:42:52 AM
you're completely wrong if u see a reward being fine if it makes someone invincible in every game they play but okay

thats rly my only point so no point in arguing with u if all i can say is "it'd make certain people too strong" lul so fire away~

it'd only make a person invincible in pvp if they were actually good o-o

this is my point though? lol
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 05:47:36 AM
Just stating the factors right now. I'm neutral on this issue as it has no effect on my playing experience atm.

First off, besides some people being able to do sector easily, bot stract has NO EFFECT in PVP.  

Second, Fueling Idea

Cons:if the fuel idea is implemented, then regardless how we play, poor players will never be able to buy bot stract with gigas because every game people lose some, then has to buy more with 5 mil gigas and without a large about of botstract, the bonuses don't exactly matter. If you think about it, how many red boxes do you need to get 1 mil gigas? How many games is that? If your speaking low lvl, forget 1 mil for 10 games...if ur high lvl with a full room of luckies, that's 1 mil per about 5 games. 25 games to buy 10k bot stract. So, most people won't be able to use bs anyway or it isn't of significant bonuses. Same as eliminating bs.

Pros: Yes, it makes everyone have a more balanced bs amount. Everyone will have a low amount regardless how they play. Unless they buy gigas from Zylon with cash. Now, in this way, bs has a insignificant role to the game, without a large amount bs it is pointless and fueling system makes having large amounts consistently impossible, hence everyone is balanced.

Third: Hp Idea

Pros: Yay, more hp = person has about 40% more health AND DURABILITY than others. Great for pvp and pve. PVP= most likely win
PVE= u can stand there and let mobs hit u and u wont die for a minute... Hp is great support for either roles. Doesn't have too much effect in pve as it doesnt rly matter, u just last longer... Pvp wise u have a much higher chance of winning.

Cons: More hp in sector - who cares...? Pvp= yes more hp = overpowered, as others can outlast u in terms of durability. However, most people already have large amounts of bs and hence they will take over the game in PVP ONLY. Btw - Most people that pvp are skilled and can at least spam the jump and hit button...

Fourth: Both Fueling and Hp

Pros:

Sectoring - No one will use Bs cuz it isn't worth it.

Pvp: People will buy Bs in a moderated quantity for extra hp. but only once in a while because the bs will return to 0 after a while, then they gotta grind without bs in sector again for another session of overpowering others in PVP and having the skill to pvp isn't a problem...regardless how skilled, if you can't outlast someone, its much harder to win.

Cons: I don't see alot of cons. but this means making botstract's role in the game very limited. It makes Bs and Overpowering others in PVP a Temporary Bought Privilege that everyone has but has to earn. Buy the bonus to fight at ur max hp stat, if not fight normal pvp.

Hope this highlights the key points of these suggestions.

P.S. - I am not a bs user. I have almost none xd and I really never cared about it hence I am neutral.

- Rikshaku
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 05:50:56 AM
Quote from: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 05:47:36 AM
Just stating the factors right now. I'm neutral on this issue as it has no effect on my playing experience atm.

First off, besides some people being able to do sector easily, bot stract has NO EFFECT in PVP.  

Second, Fueling Idea

Cons:if the fuel idea is implemented, then regardless how we play, poor players will never be able to buy bot stract with gigas because every game people lose some, then has to buy more with 5 mil gigas and without a large about of botstract, the bonuses don't exactly matter. If you think about it, how many red boxes do you need to get 1 mil gigas? How many games is that? If your speaking low lvl, forget 1 mil for 10 games...if ur high lvl with a full room of luckies, that's 1 mil per about 5 games. 25 games to buy 10k bot stract. So, most people won't be able to use bs anyway or it isn't of significant bonuses. Same as eliminating bs.

Pros: Yes, it makes everyone have a more balanced bs amount. Everyone will have a low amount regardless how they play. Unless they buy gigas from Zylon with cash. Now, in this way, bs has a insignificant role to the game, without a large amount bs it is pointless and fueling system makes having large amounts consistently impossible, hence everyone is balanced.

Third: Hp Idea

Pros: Yay, more hp = person has about 40% more health AND DURABILITY than others. Great for pvp and pve. PVP= most likely win
PVE= u can stand there and let mobs hit u and u wont die for a minute... Hp is great support for either roles. Doesn't have too much effect in pve as it doesnt rly matter, u just last longer... Pvp wise u have a much higher chance of winning.

Cons: More hp in sector - who cares...? Pvp= yes more hp = overpowered, as others can outlast u in terms of durability. However, most people already have large amounts of bs and hence they will take over the game in PVP ONLY.

Fourth: Both Fueling and Hp

Pros:

Sectoring - No one will use Bs cuz it isn't worth it.

Pvp: People will buy Bs in a moderated quantity for extra hp. but only once in a while because the bs will return to 0 after a while, then they gotta grind without bs in sector again for another session of overpowering others in PVP.

Cons: I don't see alot of cons. but this means making botstract's role in the game very limited. It makes Bs and Overpowering others in PVP a Temporary Bought Privilege that everyone has but has to earn. Buy the bonus to fight at ur max hp stat, if not fight normal pvp.

Hope this highlights the key points of these suggestions.

P.S. - I am not a bs user. I have almost none xd and I really never cared about it hence I am neutral.

- Rikshaku

I like this guy, where's his medal?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.

What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.

What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.

The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.

What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.

The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.


QuoteI'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.

lrn2lastline
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:04:07 AM
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Quote from: Yz on December 31, 2011, 05:59:51 AM
Quote from: asmit10 on December 31, 2011, 05:55:26 AM
I thought this was supposed to be for voting, not Tricky and zepher posting useless crap.

What we were posting was valid to the topic and how different options can be better/worse than others, what you're posting is useless crap.

The thread says its for voting. I thought the "looking for serious Bot Stract ideas" thread was for discussing.


QuoteI'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.

lrn2lastline

...
Ima go practice that.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 06:09:14 AM
imo Tricky is completely misunderstanding the concept, and overthinking it.
I think he's dead wrong but I won't debate in this thread, an opinion is an opinion.
I also think Zepher's method of debating Tricky on the issue was completely tangent to Tricky's original claim..so with that I say shut up -- this isn't a debate thread, it's a vote thread.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:11:02 AM
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:11:02 AM
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?

Completely tangent?
Glad to see you support 3k gun damage.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yz on December 31, 2011, 06:12:45 AM
lolk I vote for HP because with +6000 HP i'd be unbeatable by everyone in the entire game for when I get 3 mil BS kthx
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:13:43 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: Gramps on December 31, 2011, 06:11:02 AM
Don't like either idea. With the hp idea, where do hp/rb packs come into it?

Completely tangent?
Glad to see you support 3k gun damage.

Words i typed? Ok, if you see them, im sure i didn't support any idea.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mo9 on December 31, 2011, 06:15:58 AM
meh  i dont like both..
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: KillerPig on December 31, 2011, 06:23:01 AM
hp idea is shit cuz its still gonna be op
only good one is fuel
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 06:34:02 AM
._. Did anyone even try reading my earlier post...or did "most" of you just reply without knowing previous posts, I worked on that post so people would have a easier time to make up their mind...please read it if your serious about discussing...: (
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 06:38:09 AM
Quote from: Necaro on December 31, 2011, 06:34:02 AM
._. Did anyone even try reading my earlier post...or did "most" of you just reply without knowing previous posts, I worked on that post so people would have a easier time to make up their mind...please read it if your serious about discussing...: (

If you want honesty, I read it all, I couldn't understand 10% of it, I disagreed with 70% of it, so I skipped over the post.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Meteor on December 31, 2011, 08:13:55 AM
Don't really care but Imma say HP.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 31, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
It's about replacing the OP'ness of Meto + 3m BS. When you think about the sollutions you must think whats more OP. BS + Meto or 2k more HP for some players.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: hawk5005 on December 31, 2011, 08:23:41 AM
I vote for all 3.
HP + Exchange + Fuel would mean that in the end there will be only a few BS and a few Gigas, putting an end to all the OP players.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: wazzaahh on December 31, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
only HP or only fuel but not both
when only fuel: 7% losing each game is alot for low lvls, let it start with losing 1%, and every 20 lvls 1% extra so when your lv 120 it reaches max limit of losing 7% and then you'll start making profit too, not losing it all.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?

5 minutes.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?

5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?

5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?

Monday.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Delta on December 31, 2011, 10:46:55 AM
healt+fuel
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 31, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: mhj on December 31, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Once again..
You lose .7%.
Point.
Seven.
Percent.
7/10s of 1%.
Seven tenths of one percent.
Not 7%.
I was hoping for something more than 1% actually. But it's good with me. If the players chose the Fuel sollution, how long will it then take to code?

5 minutes.
Great. When will the vote end?

Monday.
Okay. Makes sence after all.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Toast on December 31, 2011, 10:51:54 AM
Both. I gave my reasons in-game yesterday.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.

If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk

just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L

People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.

So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...

Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on December 31, 2011, 11:01:31 AM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.

If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk

just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L

People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.

So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...

Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.

Nobody even listens to Allie. She said that it doesn't have to be 6k HP and what is more OP Bonzo. Meto + 5k ra or 6k extra HP.
The BS for gigas was suggested but it will go against the fact that Allie and Santa wanted less Gigas in-game.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.

Luck? not a bad idea o.o but what luck:bs ratio are you concidering? 1k bs = 1 luck? yay I have 3645 luck now! but even then, still not a bad Idea o.o
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: -PeaceLover- on December 31, 2011, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.
+999 i want (E) parts
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Allie on December 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.

lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: tanqq on December 31, 2011, 11:55:12 AM
both, what about also adding the bs effects to TG too?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.

lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
The economy is already ruined ? -.-
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: hawk5005 on December 31, 2011, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
I'd say add it to HP haha.

Either that or actually just make BS add luck.  That way it's only useful in sector and it eliminates it from ruining PvP completely.  Just my opinion.

lets not ruin pvp lets ruin the economy i mean who cares about that as long as pvps running smooth
The economy is already ruined ? -.-
That's why there are the fuel and the bs exchange ideas.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Shadow on December 31, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Yeah true lol.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.

If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk

just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L

People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.

So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...

Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.

cry more whore
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.

If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk

just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L

People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.

So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...

Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.

cry more whore

useless post is useless
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
Quote from: zepher2211 on December 31, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Iridion on December 31, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: BonzoDog on December 31, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just worked it out.

If the fuel idea was implemented, I'd lose 22,000 bot stract in 1 game. <-- da-fuk

just so this isn't a pointless post I'll suggest this, take it or leave it :L

People with lots of BS should have the choice to exchange it for gigas, believe it or not i'm not an OP Whore, I'd gladly have gigas instead. But the thing is, all my bot stract has been bought from the value of 1.5m -> 1k bs or mostly 2m -> 1k bs.

So if thats an option I'd gladly have gigas instead of BS...

Edit: HP idea doesn't sound too bad, but even if that was implemnted at the 3mil - 6000hp rate, BS would still lose a crap load of value. This isn't fair, JS.

cry more whore

useless post is useless
dis very useful instead
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Yoshi91 on December 31, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1z4xz74.jpg)
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: abc999 on December 31, 2011, 06:41:26 PM
Can't you just make it so you can use bot stact to change you IGN or bot type etc? im sure people would preffer that instead
or you could sell skills/ cash mercs in the shop for bot stract :P
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Robocop7ant on January 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..

This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P

I personally hate this idea "fuel".
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Energized on January 01, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: Mod Robo on January 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..

This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P

I personally hate this idea "fuel".

Dude, you need gigas to get BS, not $.
I think you misunderstood the "Fuel" idea.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Robocop7ant on January 01, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: Energized on January 01, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: Mod Robo on January 01, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
I don't like this "Fuel" idea at all... i worked hard for my bs, and now i need to waste it every game i play?..

This game is starting to get ruined.. no more fun soon..
then i like a rare shop instead of this.
to get Bot stracts use ($) :P

I personally hate this idea "fuel".

Dude, you need gigas to get BS, not $.
I think you misunderstood the "Fuel" idea.
no. i just did suggest another suggestion.
because i dislike the "fuel" idea.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: eco999 on January 01, 2012, 05:03:29 PM
HP Fuel
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: nothinbutnet on January 02, 2012, 03:01:21 AM
The fuel Idea is effin brilliant!! :3

But i say in the info section of ur bot u can change gauges that change the amount of bs used for each stat, so u can choose how much power u get from bs over how mcuh u burn each game, and the gauges r used so if u dont trans, u can change it so u dont get extra trans attack and defense and u get more attack/gun attack or something in that area:P
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Eat4two on January 02, 2012, 03:40:04 AM
Wow! In my opinion this is the worst idea ever in BC. People have actually worked hard for their bot- stract (including me). Yes this might sounds selfish but c'mon how unfair and ruinous...

This reminds me of the hyperinflation in Germany 1920. After the loss in world war 1. When they printed loads of new money (German Mark) and all previous savings became wortless!!

Im saying, dont make way to big changes! :/
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: y2k on January 02, 2012, 04:02:35 AM
Nothing should be changed besides MORE BS = MORE HP ON MOBS AND BOSS.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: make2001 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:17 AM
0.7% is too much..

what if i have 1 mil bs.  do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?

who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..

0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: 123bomb123 on January 02, 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Quote from: make2001 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:17 AM
0.7% is too much..

what if i have 1 mil bs.  do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?

who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..

0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..

I'm guessing you're 10.

*Looks at username*

ya, 10.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: tanqq on January 02, 2012, 06:54:15 AM
You can get more bs by either pvping, buying from other players, exchanging it with gigas or begging. I think this is a brillant idea to lower the amount of bs and gigas in the market.

If you guys think this is a bad idea, why don't you guys think up of something even better than this idea. You can't satisfy everyone with ideas so if you think life always go your way, think again.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: zepher2211 on January 02, 2012, 07:22:24 AM
please give a reason other than 'OP IS GOOD LEAVE WAY IT IS"
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Rangenmage5 on January 02, 2012, 09:22:56 AM
2 stupid suggestions i think tbh....
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Shadow on January 02, 2012, 05:03:20 PM
Should of made poll.....

And when is this voting going to end ?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: hawk5005 on January 02, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: Shadow on January 02, 2012, 05:03:20 PM
Should of made poll.....

And when is this voting going to end ?
Poll = people could vote on multiple accounts.
And the voting will end Monday.. Today..
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Pokeh on January 02, 2012, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: Eat4two on January 02, 2012, 03:40:04 AM
Wow! In my opinion this is the worst idea ever in BC. People have actually worked hard for their bot- stract (including me). Yes this might sounds selfish but c'mon how unfair and ruinous...

This reminds me of the hyperinflation in Germany 1920. After the loss in world war 1. When they printed loads of new money (German Mark) and all previous savings became wortless!!

Im saying, dont make way to big changes! :/

Except we're not putting more BS into the economy we're trying to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on January 02, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
People don't get that we are trying to ger rid of it. Not get more...
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
i dont see how this is gonna work...
lets say someone has only 10 bs. after every game they only lose .007 bs? sooner or later its just gonna become -0 lol
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: NeoKiller on January 02, 2012, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
i dont see how this is gonna work...
lets say someone has only 10 bs. after every game they only lose .007 bs? sooner or later its just gonna become -0 lol
Rounding ?
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
.007 rounds to 0 ;o

unless it like rounds to 1... either way people would just gift all their bs to their alt, wait until that 10 bs runs out, then gift 10 more, repeat
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Pokeh on January 02, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
^10 bs is nothing anyways. Isn't like 1hp=100 bs?

That's not even any stat boost whatsoever soo idk :/
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Iridion on January 02, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: 123bomb123 on January 02, 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Quote from: make2001 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:17 AM
0.7% is too much..

what if i have 1 mil bs.  do i have to use 70k bs for 10 games?
where can i get 70k bs again?

who can use BS for fuel. so BS will be runed..

0.001 % is enough for fuel i think..

I'm guessing you're 10.

*Looks at username*

ya, 10.

lelll
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: iwasbobo on January 02, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
.007 rounds to 0 ;o

unless it like rounds to 1... either way people would just gift all their bs to their alt, wait until that 10 bs runs out, then gift 10 more, repeat

What benefit is 10 BS going to give you... lol
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 06:59:42 PM
im talking about the fuel thing o.o

edit: oh... well shit.
my bad i completely misunderstood the fuel idea. >_>
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Lord Sam on January 02, 2012, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Allie on December 30, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
After months, we in Administration have finally thought of a few ways that could possibly fix our overpowered Bot Stract issue.
We have multiple great ideas, many from you players in my suggestions (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,20891.0.html) thread, and have come up with a list of some ideas that could be implemented.
Please read through every idea before giving your opinion, as I'm taking every single one of your opinions into consideration when making this big decision.



First off, we have the "Fuel" idea.
In this idea, bot stract will be treated as a fuel, fueling your bot with the power it needs to gain the bonus it gives you.
This is the most logical idea, as it's just plain unrealistic to just gain the power without any fuel to do so.
In this idea, you will lose .7% of your bot stract every game.
.7% seems so large when it comes to big numbers, but you must remember that realistically, to give a higher bonus requires more fuel, thus more is lost when you reach higher numbers.
For example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain a large stat bonus in-game, however you will use up .7% of your bot stract, which is 18,069 stract. As a result, you'll have 2,563,279 at the end of your game.
However, if you only have 9,283 bot stract, you will only lose 65 bot stract, resulting in 9,218 bot stract at the end of your game. -iwasbobo

In possible addition to this Fuel idea is a "Fuel Exchange", where you can buy 10,000 bot stract for 5Million (5,000,000) gigas. This is helpful so that you can purchase a small amount of bot stract if you have none so you're not left without a bonus. Also useful if you are not a pvper. -grim


Then, we have a separate bonus idea, the "HP" idea.
With this rather simple idea, the only bonus bot stract would give you is an HP bonus.
Unlike the current bonuses, a nice HP bonus is useful, but it will not majorly op anyone.
The bonuses would work in a similar way, not going by a complicated formula, but every 500 bot stract = 1 HP, capped at 6,000 hp.
This means, for example, if you have 2,581,348 bot stract, you will gain an additional 5,162 HP. If you have only 9,218 bot stract, you will gain an additional 18 hp.
The number can change if players believe 6,000 hp increase is too overpowered. -grim


And then, of course, there's the option to do both ideas.
This means, swap the bonus to HP whilst also burning some stract every game.
I'm looking for your opinion on what we should do -- I take all your opinions seriously, so please leave useful feedback.

Great Ideas!, I'd want the first idea ("Fuel" idea.) Great one.
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
^wtf y does this guy still have GM in his name...
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: mhj on January 02, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on January 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
^wtf y does this guy still have GM in his name...
Tricky said something about him. He couldn't ban him since his name was GM or something. I heard of him before.



Allie said it would be end at Monday. So I will look forward to seeing the result :)
Title: Re: Bot Stract -- Vote
Post by: Santa on January 03, 2012, 04:16:15 AM
GM Sam, please read the Pm that I have just sent to you.

Thanks.

~RedEyes.