BoutCheetah

First off, I'd like to say thank you to everyone whose been given feedback. This entire situation has basically been exploded almost as far as I'd expected it'd be. Here's a quote from MSN to summarize the past few days.

桜 says:
besides.
you're not really quitting.
lulz.
It's just a publicity stunt.
Do you think I'd actually risk you.
If I just "gave in" and wiped it it wouldn't have gone public.
sean aka gramps says:
It was not a stunt, i was gone
桜 says:
not for you.
it was all a game to me though.
You actually believe you're quitting, everyone freaks the **** out and gives me feedback.
I use this feedback to create a new system.
You come back, everyones happy.

Your feedback has helped me to develop a new system. It will be briefly described here: let me know what you think.



To start, all guilds will be wiped; their current GP will be added to a Guild Hall of Fame -- only top 100. The top 5 guilds will ALL receive a Guild flag -- a great flag recognizing your work to your guild. For the rest of you, it's alright, you can always remake your guild afterwards.

At this point, no guilds will exist. What you'll notice is that level 100 is now required to make a new guild, and the cost is 10Million gigas. You may be saying "That's way too much", but let's be honest, check out those rankings, 1643 people have at least 10Million gigas and over 9935 people have reached level 100. Is that too much?

Once the guild is made, you will restart at 10 max guild members. You will immediately be able to purchase guild expansions for a reasonable price of 50Million gigas each. A lot? If you're a respectable guild owner you should be able to afford it -- especially since you only need two. Max guild members will be 20 -- just enough to have a nice active guild, but tight enough to induce competition. If it's too little, than sorry for you -- it may be expanded someday if our player base expands, but as it is 20 is perfect to allow for all the active players to be in your guild. Best of luck to you there.

Now for the guild points aspect..I'm going to talk about this later, but first I want to mention an important EXP change. This affects all three modes -- sector, pvp and base. Sector EXP rates will be cut in half; this means what you'd currently earn in hard mode is what you'll earn in easy. This is due to obviously absurd rates of EXP and GP able to be obtained. If you want nice rates, you'll always have survival, which will be giving an extra bonus too!

Survival rates, as they will stay the same, will give a new bonus along with the armors. With a full set of Tier 2 armor, you will receive an additional 15% EXP bonus. With a full set of Tier 3 armor, you will receive a massive 40% EXP bonus. This bonus works for all modes, Sector, Survival, PvP and Base.

Then, we'll move on to PvP..the EXP rates are going to increase dramatically. As PvP obviously is a stronger test of skill than Sector ever will be, it's only fair that it gets a large EXP income, right? Well, base EXP rates will change to 125% of your opponents level (decided by the final killer, not the one with the most points [might change someday]). All additional EXP changes will then take effect. For example, killing a level 200 (at any level, mind you) will render you 250 exp base, then as a member will turn into 500 for this single kill, and with a Tier 3 set totaling 700. For that single kill! Note that along with this, we're not going to let you farm. There's an additional timer; at 30 seconds you'll gain a total of 10% EXP, at 60 seconds you'll gain a total of 20% EXP, at 180 seconds (3Minutes) you'll gain a total of 60% EXP, and at 5 minutes you'll get the full 100%. In addition to this, pushing cuts EXP receive from that kill in half.

Now, BvB. The EXP rate method is very similar to PvP -- for every player kill you will receive 40% of their level (ie 80 EXP for a single kill of a level 200). Kills for mercenary render EXP equal to 20% of the owners level (ie 40 EXP for a level 200). The base itself will be worth half of the total level of the opponent (ie 400 if the other team is a team of 200s [adding up to 800]). Once the game is complete, the winning team will obtain another 15% EXP bonus to all EXP gains. This of course is the Base EXP and then has the multipliers. The timer for this is set to 5 minutes for up to 4 players in the room, then rises to 10 for 5-8 players. The amount is the same formula - every 10% of the total amount of time gives 10% of the EXP.

Now I'll introduce a new concept -- Guild Wars. This can be accessed using the new qualifier, {gw}. Doing this will activate a state of {gmo} where up to four of your guild members may enter. For the opposing guild, the first player to enter will have their guild locked into the room -- this means only guild members of the second guild may enter, and only up to four. There is no requirement that the amount of any guild has to equal the other, so 4v1 guild wars, etc are possible. Guild war can be initiated on either PvP or BvB, following the same EXP rates, however in a Guild War, the winner gets twice as much GP as they would a normal game. The loser, of course, will receive half the GP of a normal game. This is to induce competition -- however GP gain is entirely normal if the other guild has less than 1/10 of your guild GP. For example, if you have 10,000,000 GP total, and your opponent has 900,000 GP, GP gain is normal. This is to prevent farming.

Now for the overall part -- Guild Points. First off, this will be dividing Guilds in three. You will have three separate Guild Points (though what's displayed on the Guild menu is the total GP, all three added into one). This, of course, is Sector Guild Points, PvP Guild Points and BvB Guild Points. All three are separate and show up differently on the rankings. This enables there to be four different Guild rankings -- Main rankings (overall Sector, PvP and BvB added together), Guild Sector Rankings (Only including Sector GP), Guild PvP Rankings (Only including PvP GP) and Guild BvB Rankings (Only including BvB GP). This truly allows for guilds to be Sector, PvP or BvB guilds -- choose carefully what you want you want your guild to be.

For the rankings, it will be divided up newly, naturally. The Guild rankings will have six sections: Main, Sector, PvP, BvB, Guild Wars and Hall of Fame. If you've read this far, you should know what all six are, past that I leave the rest to what you already know. Sector rankings will not be modified, nor will any player EXP (though getting EXP in the future will be more or less difficult, depending on your skill.

And for the sake of not driving myself insane with this almost 7,000 character post, I'm going to post it now. Please give me feedback after you've read it all, I don't want any tl;drs. You all receive credit for giving me feedback -- this is my solution to our guild problem. Thanks for reading, the few of you who did.

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And another proposal made afterwards being released at the same time is an addition to Tier armors.
If you're not a Survival player, no problem. Tiers will be released for PvP and BvB aswell.

These specific parts will be one per mode (as in a level 1 will get the same tier armor as a level 221), however the stats will scale with your level. The Tier armors will be untradeable, and obtainable in PvP and BvB randomly from other players/base. At level 221, the Tier 3 armor will be similar to Elektra+7, though, so you should still try to get that Overload Tier 3 if you can -- but at least you have an opportunity for that 15%/40% EXP bonus with Tier 2 and 3!

Very good idea, Can't wait until it takes place.

+1

~Mod Johnny

I'm really excited for everything! Some great ideas in here, it'll really improve the game for the better.

Been waiting for this.

Good idea but thanks for hurting my eyes

we should have kept in the top 5 ranks tricky lel i want a cool flag. :O btw thanks allie.

good job , waiting for the updates to take place

Wow , This Is Gunna Be Amazing ! I Do Agree The Sector Exp Rates Were A Little Over The Top . However , The Reduction Will Hinder Alot Of Leechers And Will Take More Devotion To Reach The Max Level Cap . I Cant Wait For Guild Wars Too . Im All For This ! (:

- SparkyRobo

I've read it all and I loved the new system, this is awesome. And I will finally be able to play more PvP/BvB Since I don't personally like sector as much.. And now this gives me a reason to use my tier3 instead of my bladium haha. :3.. Great !
By the way, by when would this be performed? o;

Extremely good but more than 20 members.

Cutting exp rates in half for sector is complete BULLSHIT Tons of people will quit this game.
Also if your saying pvp and bvb will be the best exp rates in the game.
What will happen to the new people who join? It will take them a shit load of time to get up to a considerable pvp/bvb level
+1 for guild stuff
-1 for exp rates

Swaggy swaggy

Read it all, love it all.  Very nice job.

i like this all exept the sector thing i find this unfair as all PVP/BVBers will be great but what about the people who suck at pvp/bvb and all they do is sector like come on sector is fine how it is LEAVE IT.

Max Players 15!
More Guilds, more guild wars, more competition, more spark, more drama, more lalala.

Allie I love this new change in the game especially when u mentioned the Guild Flags :3. Altought, I think you should increase the amout of people in the guild. Perhaps change the max members to 25 people. Other then that I love this new change. Please think about changing the max members allowed.

Allie, you're my *****.

@CodePurple
I don't see anything constructive there, but I will rebut what you brought forth.

First off, I'm not eliminating Sector. It will always be the main method of EXP gain no matter what we do -- I'll bet my administrative position on that. The EXP gain is already extremely high, the only thing I am doing is balancing it out -- you can get the same amount of EXP as you did one month ago by just playing hard mode. Sector is easy as hell, you can complete hard mode.

And about those who complained about rank#1, I don't understand where you're getting that. To be honest, our Guild system is broken and needs a competitive edge. This has nothing to do with a rank, but competitiveness is what keeps a game going, and this game has none.

20 people in guilds are completely fair -- BOTS had 30 and everyone was happy with that. Why isn't it 30? Because our playerbase is significantly lower than BOTS was. The only reason you have a problem with it is because it's 50 right now; and we realize that was a mistake.

Max player count in guilds now costs significantly less, so that's all I really have to say about guild expansions.

Survival is there for a reason, its EXP rate will seem higher now that Sector isn't so high. It's worth training on if you like sector. The tier sets are also very worthy of getting -- especially with the XP rate modifier on them.

As for "all pvpers/bvbers" are getting the benefits, think of it as a wake up call. The game has multiple modes -- try the other ones out. Everyone sucks at PvP/BvB here. The reason is because everyone crawls into Sector without trying to get better. You will get good if you practice, and now is as good a time as any.

Quote from: Zap1173 on July 06, 2012, 12:00:14 AM
What will happen to the new people who join? It will take them a shit load of time to get up to a considerable pvp/bvb level

Honestly, a lot of people here suck at PvP/BvB so it won't be too hard for newbies. I'm not trying to be ****y, I'm pretty bad at PvP myself and too rusy to even be considered decent at BvB at this point, but the majority of people here really are terri-bad at PvP/BvB. The more they play, the more they'll improve. And the only way to entice players to PvP/BvB, is to give them better EXP rates than sector. People can still do those ridiculously easy sector runs for EXP and GP, even with it cut in half it's still more than the amount we were given on BOTS!! (I think).

Quote from: mic99 on July 06, 2012, 12:13:25 AMthe whole guild reset is dumb too, why reset the guild cuz u got babies tht cant play the game.

It was reset because the people that don't know how to play are the ones that are making it rank 1, while anyone with skill is sidelined and has to quit because there's no competition. At all.

Quote from: mic99 on July 06, 2012, 12:13:25 AMno1 will play sector, u will have ppl that are gods at PvP and others tht suck (me)

1. Why would they stop doing sector? It's still the only way to get drops and still the easiest way to get EXP.
2. Then learn how to play the ****ing game.

Quote from: mic99 on July 06, 2012, 12:13:25 AMALSO how the fk is a lv 1 supposed to play PVP against a lv 221 to get raised a lv?

Why would a level 1 play against a level 221? Does that make sense to you?

I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of your post because it'd just drive me to drink. And I hate drinking. >_>

Quote from: speedy101 on July 06, 2012, 12:26:43 AM
i like this all exept the sector thing i find this unfair as all PVP/BVBers will be great but what about the people who suck at pvp/bvb and all they do is sector like come on sector is fine how it is LEAVE IT.

Then those people should learn how to play the other 2/3 of the game, shouldn't they? And if you like to sector, then keep playing sector. No one's stopping you.
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I'm with everything except the part about having to pay that much for a guild expansion. That being said though, I don't know how long it take to get those many Gigas here so I guess I can't complain. So I guess that about covers everything. If 20 members isn't enough, we always increase it to 25 or 30 later on down the road but for now, it should be good. You might want to announce this a week or two in advance through the updater btw.

I'll probably be playing regularly this summer. ^^

i dont find forcing people to play a game mode is fair

It's obviously not forcing, you still may play Sector.

Here's how it is now - Sector has loads of EXP, PvP and BvB has little EXP.

Here's how it will be - Sector will have decent EXP, PvP and BvB have semi-decent EXP.

Sector is still the best mode for power-grinding and no one is forcing you to do anything.

y not just raise pvp a bvb exp i find no point in changing sector exp do you know how long it takes one person with no DM gun to do 228 on hard its about 2 games of easy which is more then fair

Lel, now a guild PVP team actually gonna be doing something.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 06, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
i dont find forcing people to play a game mode is fair

Promoting is not the same as forcing. Encouraging players to play the other two modes isn't going to kill sector. If anything, it makes the guild rankings more fair for the PvPers and BvBers, instead of simply catering to the sector grinders.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 06, 2012, 01:01:12 AM
y not just raise pvp a bvb exp i find no point in changing sector exp do you know how long it takes one person with no DM gun to do 228 on hard its about 2 games of easy which is more then fair

Because that would hardly do anything to get people to PvP/BvB more. We've tried it in the past, and it doesn't make enough of a difference for it to bring about any sort of meaningful change.

The entire point of this change was to promote the game's stability. It's been dying because people are getting burnt out on sector and since there's no one to PvP/BvB, they quit. Once there's an active PvP and BvB community established, we won't have to worry about players quitting due to boredom 9which is currently the biggest issue with this server atm).

you already promoting with guild wars. exp wont promote people to play pvp or bvb. so y change the exp rates on sector if it didnt affect people before you just support y changing exp wont do anything thanx

I think you should re-read my post, I've already answered those questions and from the looks of it, it seems like you didn't understand what I was saying.

Yay guild rankings ^_^.

so you'll only be earning pvp/bvb gp if you use {gw} or whenever you win (individual or team), you get gp for your guild for that mode?

I understand perfectly your saying you tried using exp to promote it before and it didnt work so im saying what makes you think dropping the exp in sector will do anything it won't all it will do is make people quit. im saying leave sector exp raise pvp/bvb exp and use GW. that will promote pvp/bvb even without dropping sector exp and its more then fair for sectors and pvp/bvbers.

so tempted to come back just for the guild war part... ::)

 ;D cool  ! >:(  but now i want tier 3 set more than yesterday  ( yesterday I was dieing for one set )
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I don't want peeps taking the ZeaL name, can someone halp D:

EDIT- Re-read tl'dr post.

Ummm, this guild flag thing shouldn't have any real benefits, not like getting too the Top100 is a achievement, so the flag shouldn't add stats other than something like 100+ HP or whatever.
This Tier 2/3 is still something I don't get, I mean it is kinda forcing people to do Survival more in exchange for a possible increase in exp. This kind of thing could be very tough for low level players who don't have the luxury of being trained by high level peeps.

PvP/BvB is fine but this shit is gonna call for everyone using DarkMeto and other OP items. Again your gonna build the gap between players with huge benefits and players with no benefits. If anything it's gonna degrade PvP and make people rely on OP items, I think someone should get additional EXP/GP if the person isn't wearing coin items/event items. Just saying someone should get more reward if he/she is not using anything to benefit them besides skill itself.

Guild war thing is kinda good, but I could definitely see something like Tricky's guild (Where he broke it into 2 guilds) abuse this. No offense too Trixie he's the only guy I know that made 2 guilds at the same time and operated both. >___>

I like the PvP/BvB/Sector guild rankings (Separately) I thought of that but didn't think it was possible.

get someone to remake ZeaL so it doesn't get taken.

Then they can quit and give you the guild once shits setup.


wtf's gonna happen to Sanctuary? ;o

its gna die!

Quote from: Pokeh on July 06, 2012, 03:12:47 AM
get someone to remake ZeaL so it doesn't get taken.

Then they can quit and give you the guild once shits setup.


wtf's gonna happen to Sanctuary? ;o

Gonna remake with optis permission ofc.
I'm gonna be here for the revival of PvP.

@Corr
I like that but I'd need feedback to how to make that work. This system took me half my vacation to plan, written down in my notebooks ideas that would work and what wouldn't.

thank you for workin so hard allie.

YES FINALLY SANCTUARY BACK!

Quote from: Allie on July 06, 2012, 03:39:18 AM

Quote from: Pokeh on July 06, 2012, 03:12:47 AM
get someone to remake ZeaL so it doesn't get taken.

Then they can quit and give you the guild once shits setup.


wtf's gonna happen to Sanctuary? ;o

Gonna remake with optis permission ofc.
I'm gonna be here for the revival of PvP.

@Corr
I like that but I'd need feedback to how to make that work. This system took me half my vacation to plan, written down in my notebooks ideas that would work and what wouldn't.

I has few ideas.






But I needs incentives and stuffs.

Awesome idea I can't wait for this to start.
PvP will be back :D

*Reads everything*

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I like everything about it :3
But does the 'gw' tag also work in bvb?

Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on July 06, 2012, 04:43:53 AM
I like everything about it :3
But does the 'gw' tag also work in bvb?

Yes.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 06, 2012, 01:44:12 AM
so im saying what makes you think dropping the exp in sector will do anything it won't all it will do is make people quit. im saying leave sector exp raise pvp/bvb exp and use GW. that will promote pvp/bvb even without dropping sector exp and its more then fair for sectors and pvp/bvbers.

Because if you're able to get a ludicrous amount of EXP in sector and onyl a fraction of it in PvP/BvB, why would anyone bother to play the other two modes? If one mode is stacked people are only going to play that mode. The rates need to be evened out. It's as simple as that.

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 02:51:39 AMUmmm, this guild flag thing shouldn't have any real benefits, not like getting too the Top100 is a achievement, so the flag shouldn't add stats other than something like 100+ HP or whatever.

Imo, it should have the same stats of the shop flags or at the very best, have it give low amounts of TA and TD. The item shouldn't be overpowered, it should simply be there for bragging rights.

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 02:51:39 AMThis Tier 2/3 is still something I don't get, I mean it is kinda forcing people to do Survival more in exchange for a possible increase in exp. This kind of thing could be very tough for low level players who don't have the luxury of being trained by high level peeps.

Idk, I kinda like the idea. The EXP rates would still be good for players without the items, but for anyone who works hard enough for those Survival items, they just get a small bonus.

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 02:51:39 AMPvP/BvB is fine but this shit is gonna call for everyone using DarkMeto and other OP items. Again your gonna build the gap between players with huge benefits and players with no benefits. If anything it's gonna degrade PvP and make people rely on OP items, I think someone should get additional EXP/GP if the person isn't wearing coin items/event items. Just saying someone should get more reward if he/she is not using anything to benefit them besides skill itself.

If that's possible, that'd actually be a really good idea. Someone who wins a game while coinless definitely deserves more EXP than someone who's stacked with coin items and other special equipment.
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When you make a Guild War room, it should have special rules and restrictions. Certain items like II packs, that stupid gun, OP merc, etc shouldn't be allowed in these rooms. You shouldn't be able to enter the room if the game detects that you have them equipped.

When it comes to BvB, I want experienced BvBers to be in charge of deciding which items are allowed and which one's aren't. I don't give a shit about PvP but as far as BvB's concerned, I'm not going to let some clueless narb decide the rules. If possible, I'd like to pick the restrictions (with input from other BvBer's as well of course).

To make even more competition there could be a monthly ranking with a small reward (like a 30 day flag) for the first price to show off their hard work, this flag will disapear when the month is over and the new number 1 guild will get the 30 day flag.

I love it how random people with only a few posts come and complain about it now.
It has been in discussion for days and yet they come and complain when everything's already prepared.
As for the whole idea, it's great! I'll finally have a source of making GP since I never really sector.
It's been thought up really well, as expected. Looking forward to it.

I'm all for this idea.

The only real concern is the Two GUILDS things (Like double clienting). Peeps are gonna abuse that shit so you gotta figure out a way to make it so that one group of people can't make another guild and farm like that. Cause peeps have 50 members they all wanna join the same cause so what do they do? Make 2 guilds. >___________>

Quote from: hawk5005 on July 06, 2012, 05:25:36 AM
I love it how random people with only a few posts come and complain about it now.

At last, it happened.

More changed than I even expected, but I like every single of them.
Awesome.

I actually read through all that and I must say I'm up for all of it. Great job there. ;)

Quote from: Meteor on July 06, 2012, 07:17:00 AM
I actually read through all that and I must say I'm up for all of it. Great job there. ;)

this

so like when will this major update most likely to be up

I asked allie this in-game and she said probably by august

Finally. :3

I see there's no mentioning out-lawing GM guns in guilds.

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I see there's no mentioning out-lawing GM guns in guilds.

Good point, GM equipment shouldn't be given to regular players and GM accounts shouldn't be allowed in guilds.

Quote from: GavinGill on July 06, 2012, 01:13:06 PM

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I see there's no mentioning out-lawing GM guns in guilds.

Good point, GM equipment shouldn't be given to regular players and GM accounts shouldn't be allowed in guilds.

I would most definately agree with Gavin on this. GM guns are not fair towards competing and they should not be allowed to give guilds a massive grinding boost. After all, there are 2 GM guns in a guild ATM, and after the update there could possibly be 3 in one guild. It just isnt fair to regu;lar players.

Quote from: GavinGill on July 06, 2012, 01:13:06 PM

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I see there's no mentioning out-lawing GM guns in guilds.

Good point, GM equipment shouldn't be given to regular players and GM accounts shouldn't be allowed in guilds.

Yes I completely agree with you there Gavin, Gm's should be like they was in bots only there to watch the lobby and to do there job, because the GM gun is so OP with it's amazing damage.

Quote from: GavinGill on July 06, 2012, 01:13:06 PM

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I see there's no mentioning out-lawing GM guns in guilds.

>Good point, GM equipment shouldn't be given to regular players< and GM accounts shouldn't be allowed in guilds.

Never happened.
As for the GM accounts into guilds..well that's a long story.
At one point we had a guild for staff members only, but the whole thing was canceled.
I don't mind having a GM in a guild as long as he has no GM Gun, since the other GM-exclusive stuff is pretty much useless compared to other items in the game.

I say just have the GM guns removed if a GM is in a guild.

Quote from: Meteor on July 06, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
I say just have the GM guns removed if a GM is in a guild.

Yes that is an option. A very good suggestion.

a gm should be mature enough to know when to use said gun and when not, i'm 100% sure no gm will use his gun in sector

10m to make a guild and 50m to expand is stupid, your trying to spark more guilds and more competition, how are you going to do that when you have to spend 110m just to have a guild with 20 members in? some people arnt going to do this and some of the people with 110m+ gigas are inactive, All the guilds that have been created by people, only like 50 will be remade or even less, srsly, 110m gigas? it takes weeks to get that by doing sector, Its funny how either staff or people that have more then 110+ are all for this or know they have a guranteed place in a guild.

It only takes 10Million gigas to make a guild. If you want the max amount of members, you'll raise the 50M necessary -- get some dedicated members of your guild to donate some. It's a guild, a team effort the guild leader doesn't have to buy everything.

look look if you want to make a guild:
-either you are a true leader and whenever you create a new guild everyone want to join (read: yz :D ) people will help you create and expand the guild

-or you are an average player, you want to create a guild to play with your friends and recruit some other players and be competitive: friends will help you create the guild; if you have no friends that want to join your guild well you didn't waste 110mil

Quote from: Jason321 on July 06, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
10m to make a guild and 50m to expand is stupid, your trying to spark more guilds and more competition, how are you going to do that when you have to spend 110m just to have a guild with 20 members in? some people arnt going to do this and some of the people with 110m+ gigas are inactive, All the guilds that have been created by people, only like 50 will be remade or even less, srsly, 110m gigas? it takes weeks to get that by doing sector, Its funny how either staff or people that have more then 110+ are all for this or know they have a guranteed place in a guild.

I have around 40m gigas and I'm with this update.

Quote from: Jason321 on July 06, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
10m to make a guild and 50m to expand is stupid, your trying to spark more guilds and more competition, how are you going to do that when you have to spend 110m just to have a guild with 20 members in? some people arnt going to do this and some of the people with 110m+ gigas are inactive, All the guilds that have been created by people, only like 50 will be remade or even less, srsly, 110m gigas? it takes weeks to get that by doing sector, Its funny how either staff or people that have more then 110+ are all for this or know they have a guranteed place in a guild.

Quote from: Allie on July 06, 2012, 01:49:23 PM
It only takes 10Million gigas to make a guild. If you want the max amount of members, you'll raise the 50M necessary -- get some dedicated members of your guild to donate some. It's a guild, a team effort the guild leader doesn't have to buy everything.

This.

If you don't have enough, just split the cost with the rest of the guild members.

Well the point of the price update is because people can make a guild that lasts long,not like a guild that gets deleted a month later,people would work harder and as a team for the guild because they spend a bigger amount of money on it

And having 20 members is easier to take care of,instead of having to look out for loads of inactive players,this also lessens the chance of a guildie getting kicked out of a guild member for another

update to the first post:

And another proposal made afterwards being released at the same time is an addition to Tier armors.
If you're not a Survival player, no problem. Tiers will be released for PvP and BvB aswell.

These specific parts will be one per mode (as in a level 1 will get the same tier armor as a level 221), however the stats will scale with your level. The Tier armors will be untradeable, and obtainable in PvP and BvB randomly from other players/base. At level 221, the Tier 3 armor will be similar to Elektra+7, though, so you should still try to get that Overload Tier 3 if you can -- but at least you have an opportunity for that 15%/40% EXP bonus with Tier 2 and 3!

Quote from: Allie on July 06, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
update to the first post:

And another proposal made afterwards being released at the same time is an addition to Tier armors.
If you're not a Survival player, no problem. Tiers will be released for PvP and BvB aswell.

These specific parts will be one per mode (as in a level 1 will get the same tier armor as a level 221), however the stats will scale with your level. The Tier armors will be untradeable, and obtainable in PvP and BvB randomly from other players/base. At level 221, the Tier 3 armor will be similar to Elektra+7, though, so you should still try to get that Overload Tier 3 if you can -- but at least you have an opportunity for that 15%/40% EXP bonus with Tier 2 and 3!

In that case Tier should be dropped in sector also.

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 03:40:18 PM

Quote from: Allie on July 06, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
update to the first post:

And another proposal made afterwards being released at the same time is an addition to Tier armors.
If you're not a Survival player, no problem. Tiers will be released for PvP and BvB aswell.

These specific parts will be one per mode (as in a level 1 will get the same tier armor as a level 221), however the stats will scale with your level. The Tier armors will be untradeable, and obtainable in PvP and BvB randomly from other players/base. At level 221, the Tier 3 armor will be similar to Elektra+7, though, so you should still try to get that Overload Tier 3 if you can -- but at least you have an opportunity for that 15%/40% EXP bonus with Tier 2 and 3!

In that case Tier should be dropped in sector also.

It drops in survival.

Quote from: Jeffalo13 on July 06, 2012, 03:44:27 PM

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 03:40:18 PM

Quote from: Allie on July 06, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
update to the first post:

And another proposal made afterwards being released at the same time is an addition to Tier armors.
If you're not a Survival player, no problem. Tiers will be released for PvP and BvB aswell.

These specific parts will be one per mode (as in a level 1 will get the same tier armor as a level 221), however the stats will scale with your level. The Tier armors will be untradeable, and obtainable in PvP and BvB randomly from other players/base. At level 221, the Tier 3 armor will be similar to Elektra+7, though, so you should still try to get that Overload Tier 3 if you can -- but at least you have an opportunity for that 15%/40% EXP bonus with Tier 2 and 3!

In that case Tier should be dropped in sector also.

It drops in survival.

We all know this, I guess you don't understand my statement.
Survival and sector are to diff maps.
As i stated Tier shOUld be dropped in sector also seeing it will be dropped in PVP & BVB.

Quote from: Meteor on July 06, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
I say just have the GM guns removed if a GM is in a guild.

I agree.

@RAUDOG

Why do they need to drop in sector?  Sector already gives regular armors; PvP and BvB currently supply nothing.

What would be the point of that?
Survival is a branch of sector.
Sector, even at hard is way easier than lvl 219, it's a matter of minutes, if not seconds to win a sector map, while it takes ~15+ minutes to get to T3 in survival.
It would only make survival armors easier to obtain.

Quote from: Jeffalo13 on July 06, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
@RAUDOG

Why do they need to drop in sector?  Sector already gives regular armors; PvP and BvB currently supply nothing.

My point is this bro, If Tier will drop in PVP, BVB AND survival Tier should drop in all maps.

This is a good change, but now I won't be the only one with the flag xD

the guild reform is good, but the exp changes... are suck   ???

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 06, 2012, 04:48:03 PM

Quote from: Jeffalo13 on July 06, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
@RAUDOG

Why do they need to drop in sector?  Sector already gives regular armors; PvP and BvB currently supply nothing.

My point is this bro, If Tier will drop in PVP, BVB AND survival Tier should drop in all maps.

apparently "tier" would be too easy to obtain in sector
i dont know that "tier" but having it drop in every sector game would be as bad as a gm gun imo

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 06:04:42 AM
The only real concern is the Two GUILDS things (Like double clienting). Peeps are gonna abuse that shit so you gotta figure out a way to make it so that one group of people can't make another guild and farm like that. Cause peeps have 50 members they all wanna join the same cause so what do they do? Make 2 guilds. >___________>

Also, I believe GM accounts should be banned from joining any guilds, reason for this is because they're a great influence for people. (See GM in a guild, you want to join the guild regardless of what they do). Just seems kinda wrong imo.

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 05:01:33 PM

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 06:04:42 AM
The only real concern is the Two GUILDS things (Like double clienting). Peeps are gonna abuse that shit so you gotta figure out a way to make it so that one group of people can't make another guild and farm like that. Cause peeps have 50 members they all wanna join the same cause so what do they do? Make 2 guilds. >___________>

Also, I believe GM accounts should be banned from joining any guilds, reason for this is because they're a great influence for people. (See GM in a guild, you want to join the guild regardless of what they do). Just seems kinda wrong imo.

Dam good point bro.

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 05:01:33 PM

Quote from: Corr on July 06, 2012, 06:04:42 AM
The only real concern is the Two GUILDS things (Like double clienting). Peeps are gonna abuse that shit so you gotta figure out a way to make it so that one group of people can't make another guild and farm like that. Cause peeps have 50 members they all wanna join the same cause so what do they do? Make 2 guilds. >___________>

Also, I believe GM accounts should be banned from joining any guilds, reason for this is because they're a great influence for people. (See GM in a guild, you want to join the guild regardless of what they do). Just seems kinda wrong imo.

muslims on a role.

this should include fm/mod/gm/etc.

they should all be put in zylon staff guild and make them have alts (with perm membership, cuz hey, they're voluntary staff.) but started off as a normal member.

so we wouldn't even have to worry about what's allowed and what's not on gm and other staff.

though if this idea isn't supported, then the only real op thing from a staff/gm set is the gun.

Quote from: Pokeh on July 06, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
muslims on a role.

this should include fm/mod/gm/etc.

they should all be put in zylon staff guild and make them have alts (with perm membership, cuz hey, they're voluntary staff.) but started off as a normal member.

so we wouldn't even have to worry about what's allowed and what's not on gm and other staff.

though if this idea isn't supported, then the only real op thing from a staff/gm set is the gun.

FMs have no advantage/impact in-game, so why can't we join guilds?

cuz you're still making an influence for when people decide to join a guild. people know you're still part of staff. you join guild, people will join that guild.

:/

^ Cause your gonna cause kiss asses to join due to your power to mute peeps.

8)

Having all staff in a Zylon Staff guild was done once before, but it didn't quite have a good effect on anything so it was undone.

I really don't think we should be trying that again.

Keeping GM accounts out of guilds I can understand, but keeping the rest from joining guilds might not work out too well.  .-.

Quote from: Meteor on July 06, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
Having all staff in a Zylon Staff guild was done once before, but it didn't quite have a good effect on anything so it was undone.

I really don't think we should be trying that again.

Why what happened?

well if you have an awesome perm member account with staff set, it would feel bad if you couldn't really partake in anything guild related because of it.

Glad to see what we fought for is going to work out.
+1 to the no gm's in guild. They should have alts without their affix and a pretty much cloned setup for their bot.

Still i see no point in dropping sector rates sector is fine. If you want it equal raise pvp and bvb. NOT EVERY1 LOVES PVP its dead for a reason because all the good dominate the terrible example i cant get tricky to past 3/4 health.

Not everyone likes sector.

I ****ing hate it, and people don't like PvP cause they suck so hard at it and are too afraid to play people like me, tricky, weed, crazzeh, etc.

Also, tip- DROP THE ****ING @EXIT SHIT IT'S ****ING ANNOYING TO SEE PEOPLE QUIT RIGHT BEFORE THEY LOSE. GAWD.

/rage off.

Your right not every1 likes sector same goes the other way around so wtf why ruin a game mode that other people like just so you guys have some1 to play with. We arent afraid i just find it unfun to constantly lose. explain how you get better by losing you guys obviosly dont teach people so how are people suppose to get better at pvp. Most gm admins mods pvp yet you guys only pvp with eachother.

P.S people pvp more when BS had meaning idea

Ummm hey dee-dee-alertnerd!!

So we can find a perfect balance for people to like sector, PvP, and BvB.

..BALANCE.


...BALANCE.


.......BALANCE

not killing sector, just evening it out for those who do pvp/base. your being mad cuz this will move the sector player base to pvp/base.

**** sector, i hope it perishes forever. Still don't get why people sector aside from the gp after 221. >_>

and ppl @exit to maintain their 'pvp record' lol

not mad just gonna laugh when bunch of people quit because your a one side pvper who doesnt see the side of some1 who prefers sectoring

I hope you quit you sectorwhoar.

Cutting exp rates in half for sector is complete BULLSHIT
+1 for guild stuff
-1 for exp rate

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 01:39:39 AM
Your right not every1 likes sector same goes the other way around so wtf why ruin a game mode

How is sector being ruined? Just because the EXP rates are being lowered and spread out to PvP and BvB? How the hell does that ruin sector in any way? If anything, it just stops being people from abusing the ridiculous EXP rates you get by doing a single sector run. How are these current EXP rates in any way fair to people who PvP/BvB? Simply raising the rates of PvP and BvB won't do much, you'd still be getting ridiculous amounts of EXP from sector - taking away from the challenge of levelling up. You're supposed to work for it, not get to level 221 with just a couple grind sessions

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 01:39:39 AMWe arent afraid i just find it unfun to constantly lose. explain how you get better by losing you guys obviosly dont teach people so how are people suppose to get better at pvp.

You wouldn't constantly lose if you'd just practice and get better. And no one's forcing you to PvP either, if you want to sector than just grind. The gameplay of sector won't change at all.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 02:25:33 AM
not mad just gonna laugh when bunch of people quit because your a one side pvper who doesnt see the side of some1 who prefers sectoring

You mean like all the people that left after PvP and BvB was ruined...? This game had many, many more players when all three modes were somewhat balanced and ever since that balance was lost, the numbers have been declining. You simply refuse to see the reasoning behind this because you're mad that you're not going to be able to get EXP/GP as easily as you once could, there's absolutely no other reason to be opposed to this change. Sector will remain the same as far as gameplay is concerned, and PvP and BvB is going to be revived.

This change isn't being implemented for the sake of catering to sector players or to PvPers and BvBers, it's being implemented to ensure the stability and longevity of this game so that B.Cheetah will still be around by the end of the year.

Quote from: GavinGill on July 07, 2012, 03:01:46 AM

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 01:39:39 AM
Your right not every1 likes sector same goes the other way around so wtf why ruin a game mode

How is sector being ruined? Just because the EXP rates are being lowered and spread out to PvP and BvB? How the hell does that ruin sector in any way? If anything, just stop being people from abusing the ridiculous EXP rates you get by doing a single sector run. How are these EXP rates in any way fair to people who PvP/BvB? Simply raising the rates of PvP and BvB won't do much, you'd still be getting ridiculous amounts of EXP from sector - taking away from the challenge of levelling up. You're supposed to work for it, not get to level 221 with just a couple grind sessions

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 01:39:39 AMWe arent afraid i just find it unfun to constantly lose. explain how you get better by losing you guys obviosly dont teach people so how are people suppose to get better at pvp.

You wouldn't constantly lose if you'd just practice and get better. And no one's forcing you to PvP either, if you want to sector than just grind. The gameplay of sector won't change at all.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 02:25:33 AM
not mad just gonna laugh when bunch of people quit because your a one side pvper who doesnt see the side of some1 who prefers sectoring

You mean like all the people that left after PvP and BvB was ruined...? This game had many, many more players when all three modes were somewhat balanced and ever since that balance was lost, the numbers have been declining. You simply refuse to see the reasoning behind this because you're mad that you're not going to be able to get EXP/GP as easily as you once could, there's absolutely no other reason to be opposed to this change. Sector will remain the same as far as gameplay is concerned, and PvP and BvB is going to be revived.

This change isn't being implemented for the sake of catering to sector players or to PvPers and BvBers, it's being implemented to ensure the stability and longevity of this game so that B.Cheetah will still be around by the end of the year.

Why don't they let you have staff powers again?

I'm assuming it's because I haven't been active long enough or something. Could be because I'm a staff member on Evo as well although that's never been a problem in the past.

I'm not gonna use my GM Stuff but I'll only be playing on my Guild acc, same for all staff members so Zylon Staff guild wouldn't work out .-.

I hope you die in a hole you piece of crap of a pvper learn to play all modes without destroying one oh w8 that will happen because pvp/bvb will die like it did before. and ill laugh at you expecially. And Gavin just shut up you have no right to talk considering you hardly play this game you obviosly dont know how long it takes to get max level. Like i said before more people PVP when BS had a meaning. Half of the community hate the idea of the sector exp drop. Only people who agree are people who pvp.

^ Totally unnecessary insults and I agree with the EXP drop and I've made like 1.5mil GP in the past 3 weeks so I'd say I'm a grinder. You can't speak for the community >_> Lots of us want the sector exp cut, plus you are just angrily stating your opinion. Gavin has facts and logic against you, so you're wrong in this argument :/

@Speedy
It takes less than 500 games of the highest hard mode sector game as a member and on Sunday to get to 221 from level 1.
Yes, less than 500.
The LEAST amount of games it took to 100 on BOTS was 2200. Is that a shocker? With Tier sets also giving an experience boost, just do hard mode using a Tier 3 set and you'll get even more EXP than you do now.
Please stop complaining about what you don't understand. This system took a week of thought -- unless you can give some constructive criticism your complaints will only be looked down upon.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 02:29:26 AM
I hope you quit you sectorwhoar.

HEY GM I GET A WARNING BUT HE DOESNT WTF POWER ABUSE
P.S im not speaking for the whole community there plenty of people who agrre with my statement that the sector exp cut is BS

First you threatened to quit over it, second "whoar" is a joking term. Don't get offended so easy :/
Edit sorry I meant you threatened people will quit over it.

Piece of crap is a joking term too so is the F word come on

I mostly warned you for saying "go die in a hole".

Take it to PMs if you have any more dilemmas

Why? Why must all the really good games that I love be changed to the same stupid and careless ideas. I honestly don't mind if you give exp bonuses to PvP and BvB, but you're giving an exp cut from sector? It's not cool. Now, let's move to the "guild problem". What exactly is the problem? I don't see what the problem is, none in fact. Guilds are perfect the way they are. Now listen, I've been playing since Bots and I got to level 100 with full +5 bladium. I worked my ass off for that account. And then do you know what happened? They stopped the whole damn game. I was heart broken that this happened, I still am and it happened years ago. So saying your going to now stop guilds AND change the game completely makes me want to cry. When I first found this game, meaning Bots by Acclaim, I loved it so much that I was on everyday. I don't do that with many games. This game is my WoW. So now your saying you're going to change a perfect game to something lame? These obserd changes to the great games of the world need to stop, so on behave on all the Bots and Bout veterans, I plead that you don't do this change and you come up with a good reason why you're calling it "a guild problem". Me and I can assure you many others don't see a problem. I hope you feel the gravity of my words, you will lose many players and upset many others. Have a nice day...

~Nitshade

Guilds aren't being "stopped" they are being reset to give everyone a fair chance to compete. The majority of the game wants this to happen.

Also, Sector EXP used to be WAYYYY less. We used to get 1,000 EXP from lv 228, now we can get 10,000 on x3.

Besides, everything here, EVERYTHING, is so much easier than it was on Bots. Just be grateful for the EXP you get... Sector still will be the fastest mode for EXP.

Why the **** are people getting maid-pissed over a slight deduction of sector exp?

"HURR YOU TOTALLY KILLED MY CHILDHOOD"

X_O, I know that sector exp is a lot and ok, lower it a little, but that's not my main point. And to a lot of people including myself, it's not about the exp and those changes, it's the end of the guilds. I know it is not really an end, but to a lot of people it is. Also, stopped trying to make a smoke screen over the real problem. I at least know that you people are simple trolls that are trying to advert the attention from guilds to exp.

You mentioned the EXP, so I mentioned it also. Don't condescend me btw.

Anyways, it's a shame that people feel this way. I honestly think it's the right thing to do, to reset guilds. Do you have any logical arguments apart from "we don't want it to happen"? Coz it's logically the best choice for the game. The EXP has changed so much since BC was created up until now, so pretty much every bit of GP in the top 50 guilds is "fake" or "illegitimate" as it can't be compared with the GP we make today... Plus there were GP transfers and all of that other stuff that makes the GP fake.

There's plenty more reasons as to why the reset would happen if you would just read through the thread.

On that regard, were doing it so we all get a fresh start. Guild rankings right now are ****ed due to all the gp moves and past hacked gp. A new start wont kill shit, and if guild leaders of the top 5-20 guilds are all for the idea, i doubt you'll be losing much. We'll have an old ranking page, and im hoping we res et like once we  a year to keep competition/etc. up. Plus the top guild flag as a prize to top 5 guilds is enough to keep competition alive year after year. "Top 5 Guild Flag 2012, 2013, etc."

tl;dr
-**** u lame update
-no its not
-**** u

If you really think this is logical then you and everyone else is careless, stupid, and has no respect for veterans. You don't understand that fact they we don't want pretty little ****ing flags for our guilds, we want our guilds. This is a crock of shit. On a more personal note, this is going to make people lose friendships with each other. Do you know how? People will quit, people will become sad, people will be moody cause of it, think of anyway you can destroy a friendship and this change has the potiental todo all of it. Now I'm not saying these changes are 100% bad, some are actually good ideas, but they aren't good ideas for Boutcheetah. You people need to stop thinking about yourselves and what you think is good and start thinking about your players. Because admins don't make a game good, your playings do. And especially veterans like me, we are the ones that have the power to stop people from playing this game or make people play this game. Now you might think thats just bullshit, but think about it long enough and if you have any sences it's true. Boutcheetah's fan base and guild base it about to die.

wait will all guild members in the top 5 guilds receive guild flags?

Hey zalo, it pyro, yes i believe we all will.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
If you really think this is logical then you and everyone else is careless, stupid, and has no respect for veterans. You don't understand that fact they we don't want pretty little ****ing flags for our guilds, we want our guilds. This is a crock of shit. On a more personal note, this is going to make people lose friendships with each other. Do you know how? People will quit, people will become sad, people will be moody cause of it, think of anyway you can destroy a friendship and this change has the potiental todo all of it. Now I'm not saying these changes are 100% bad, some are actually good ideas, but they aren't good ideas for Boutcheetah. You people need to stop thinking about yourselves and what you think is good and start thinking about your players. Because admins don't make a game good, your playings do. And especially veterans like me, we are the ones that have the power to stop people from playing this game or make people play this game. Now you might think thats just bullshit, but think about it long enough and if you have any sences it's true. Boutcheetah's fan base and guild base it about to die.

Lol, most of us are the veterans and we agree with it, you came way later than us, so don't even "talk" about that.

Remake them.

Then just don't quit, become sad and moody, which apparently will ruin friendships. Considering how moody you have become of it, Ross wishes you luck with your friendship.
Lolk by resetting the guild all the friendships built up so far will be destroyed. That seems logical. Tricky, because of the guilds are being reset your and Ross suddenly can't stay friends anymore, sorry. Take advantage of it and make some new people. Also those who are truly your friends will always be your friend even if the guild were reset. Just remake it with them.


We are thinking about are players, that is why the unfair guild system currently in pace is going to be reset with a better one, to help the other players. Yet again don't even talk about veterans, you are not one of them. Think about this, those who have high amounts of GP and high guild rankings are actually agreeing to this. If they were just thinking about themselves, you would think it is some lower rank guild who has no chance of getting in the ranks wanting to reset it so they can get into the ranks. This in infant meant for the new people, you go get 60 mill gp and become rank 1. Most new player's can't do that. Thus the reason why we are resetting, to give the new players a time to shine, by having a chance at the ranks.

If you have any senses you will see how that is wrong. Yes BC's player base is decreasing, and that is why we need change. Think about it, if we leave it how it is, the fan base is just going to continue to decrease. If you got any good ideas to increase it, then go ahead and say them, however so far the best idea we got is to reset the guilds. Yes this may be a risk, but it is a risk worth doing if it will help "us" out. Right now you are only thinking about yourself.

Ross, every single one of your points and your anwsers are the things that make people hate you, and resent your side even more. They are "famous last words" that turn more people against you. And what's so unfair about the guilds? That some guilds are good? that because we work for them to be good. I dont give a **** about you and your little whinny, lazy friends that made new guilds. If they want to be a high rank either join a good guild or work for your guild. All you are doing is promoting laziness and handouts. This is what's wrong with people today, too many mother ****ing handouts. WORK FOR SOMETHING ONCE IN YOU DAMN LIFE. and yeah, I'm a little moody about this, here's the difference though, I have a huge amount of people that agree. And you can't say that i'm not veteran, you don't know me and i don't know you. I might of joined Boutcheetach a little later, but I played Bots when it came out. And this game with e exception of hoe the exp work and a few other things, its the same game. And you are changing the game that everyone fell in love with (to a certain degree) to a game that give ****ing handouts. It's a load of bullshit and I don't think it should be changed. And why the **** would we want to remake them??? the point is we want to keep them. you have to have your head really far up your ass to say and believe something like that.

The game as it is is what is giving handouts. The new system will allow you to make a new guild after the reset, thus any friendships created by the guilds can thus be retained -- in a new guild. And in your new guild, you may have a choice whether your guild is sector dominant or not (as all guilds today are). The seemingly-complex new system is to make guilds more enjoyable -- and more competitive, thus giving real veterans a reason to stay.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 06:09:04 PM
This is what's wrong with people today, too many mother ****ing handouts. WORK FOR SOMETHING ONCE IN YOU DAMN LIFE.

there's too many handouts, work for something once in your damn life, dont complain for a small exp rate drop, dude work hard to get to the top level!

fits perfectly

No Allie, what's going to make guilds more enjoyable is to let them stay how they are. We already worked hard for our status, why should we reset our hard work for new players that to be a high ranking clan? if they want that then they should work for it, its not that hard. if i can earn 200k guild points in a day alone without my guild members then these new players should be able to also. And I am a real veteran.

Pvp and bvb tiers ? Sounds cool.
Another reason to play pvp and bvb.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 06:25:03 PM
No Allie, what's going to make guilds more enjoyable is to let them stay how they are. We already worked hard for our status, why should we reset our hard work for new players that to be a high ranking clan? if they want that then they should work for it, its not that hard. if i can earn 200k guild points in a day alone without my guild members then these new players should be able to also. And I am a real veteran.

Every high ranking guild in the game is promoting this. Please give me some constructive feedback and I will gladly point out why every point you have is invalid.

For now, your point seems to be that its a handout to players who can't keep up with the higher ranking guilds, but the fact is that its primarily ranks 1-5 whom are pushing this forward.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 06:25:03 PM
No Allie, what's going to make guilds more enjoyable is to let them stay how they are. We already worked hard for our status, why should we reset our hard work for new players that to be a high ranking clan? if they want that then they should work for it, its not that hard. if i can earn 200k guild points in a day alone without my guild members then these new players should be able to also. And I am a real veteran.

1. When did you join bots?

2. That's not the point. It isn't enjoyable and not even close to competitive in guilds at the moment because the system is so damn corrupt. Sure, you have reason to be mad if you're the average player who never forums and actually plays in a small guild with a group of friends and grinds legitly, but overall this idea will help boutcheetah more than ruin it. And besides, it's doubted you lost much if your guild isn't really high in rankings. You can always remake the guild with the same group of friends and start over. Except now you actually have a chance to catch up to the other guilds and be in the top 100.

Pokeh, Im in Judgement, last i checked we're rank 4. we worked hard on our guild and we dont want to lose it. So your saying that 1-5 ranked guilds are pushing this? i think i just disproved you.
Allie, i wont give you constructive critism unless i agree with it. and my points arent invalid, they are valid. my points are for everyone who is against this change. And contrary to what my posts might suggest, im not enraged by this, im not flailing around on this, im sitting here in disbelief, not in rage.

@poke
Niteshade is in Judgement - rank 4 guild, but only has 235k gp.

@niteshade
Still waiting for some constructive criticism, not just  "we hate this, and I speak for us all." This update is for the players, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with it than you shouldn't even post. We're looking for feedback, not opinions.

I doubt your whole guild supports your decision regardless.

Be happy with the 2012 Guild Flag. It's an amazing achievement. You just gotta realize that not everyone worked hard for their gp and the rankings are completely illegitimate nonetheless. This reset is perfect.

But on a serious note, there's definitely more people like Nite out there. We have to announce this asap in advance to prevent more whoring.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 06:09:04 PM
Ross, every single one of your points and your anwsers are the things that make people hate you, and resent your side even more. They are "famous last words" that turn more people against you. And what's so unfair about the guilds? That some guilds are good? that because we work for them to be good. I dont give a **** about you and your little whinny, lazy friends that made new guilds. If they want to be a high rank either join a good guild or work for your guild. All you are doing is promoting laziness and handouts. This is what's wrong with people today, too many mother ****ing handouts. WORK FOR SOMETHING ONCE IN YOU DAMN LIFE. and yeah, I'm a little moody about this, here's the difference though, I have a huge amount of people that agree. And you can't say that i'm not veteran, you don't know me and i don't know you. I might of joined Boutcheetach a little later, but I played Bots when it came out. And this game with e exception of hoe the exp work and a few other things, its the same game. And you are changing the game that everyone fell in love with (to a certain degree) to a game that give ****ing handouts. It's a load of bullshit and I don't think it should be changed. And why the **** would we want to remake them??? the point is we want to keep them. you have to have your head really far up your ass to say and believe something like that.

Explain your logic behind that. Those answers are actually doing the opposite.

Are you retarded? Ross never said anything about his lazy friends making new guild. Ross was talking about the entire playerbase, and how we are in fact caring about them.

Nope, Ross is promoting to reset the guild to promote competition, and that people will actually try harder, not less.

Ross has more people on his side than you do.


This is not BOTS!! this is BC. They may be similar, but there are differences. You can call yourself a veteran of BOTS!! if care, but not BC.  The fact that you do not know Ross explains that you are new here. Now you may think that is dum, "amg everyone knows old knows Ross!" But it is true, Ross is well known towards the people who forum, and who have been around here for some time.

Ross has worked for a lot of things in this game. More than you. Ross started playing when it came out, and was one of the first to get to lv 200, back when you get crappy exp. However now exp is so high, and there are already high lvs you can just leech off them and get lv 172/200 easy. That is why it need to be changed, just like Allie said, and same with you, this game has too many handouts, that is why we have to make some changes.

Quote from: Allie on July 07, 2012, 06:38:46 PM
@poke
Niteshade is in Judgement - rank 4 guild, but only has 235k gp.

@niteshade
Still waiting for some constructive criticism, not just  "we hate this, and I speak for us all." This update is for the players, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with it than you shouldn't even post. We're looking for feedback, not opinions.

Niteshade said he can earn 200k gp each day. I guess he is new in judgement

@niteschade
Why are you against this and why you keep saying you're a "veteran" i don't if you joined in 2010 or 2012 it is about the explaination you give not just saying: " i don't like it" it is about the part comming after that.

ok, heres your constructive critism

-it's changing the game that a lot of us fell in love with
-it's changing the guild system that has been in place since Bots

Now you might sit there and think "oh thats not a valid reason why its bad". But what it all goes down to is that it is change. At least my guild and and a lot of other people that ive seen don't like change. Yes, this is opinion. But the fact is, is the opinions are the facts and the critism. well, critism is opinions. These are simply the 2 things that are wrong with it. And they carry more weight then they seem they would.

@Ian
Im not new to Judgement, Im actually a very old member of judgement and helped emencely(spellcheck plz :P) to the growth of the guild. I havn't gotten that many points for 2 reasons:

1. not its pointless to earn points
2. school got in my way of playing

3 out of the top five guilds agree with this guild reset.

Sunshine isn't involved cause they all korean nubs.

Therefore it's 3 out of 4. Your guild being the 1/4.

Congrats, you lost out of technicality due to you being the minority vote, welcome too democracy.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 06:53:01 PM
ok, heres your constructive critism

-it's changing the game that a lot of us fell in love with
-it's changing the guild system that has been in place since Bots

Now you might sit there and think "oh thats not a valid reason why its bad". But what it all goes down to is that it is change. At least my guild and and a lot of other people that ive seen don't like change. Yes, this is opinion. But the fact is, is the opinions are the facts and the critism. well, critism is opinions. These are simply the 2 things that are wrong with it. And they carry more weight then they seem they would.

this idea as a whole kills a few small time guilds and a few players in larger guilds. basically, a handful of people.

+ this gives a whole purpose for the other modes sectorers don't even bother touching. and vice versa cuz now pvpers realize theres a chance to get ranked in rankings because everyone's resetting.

it's not changing shit, just resetting what's already been built on a shitty foundation. People hate change, I get it. But this idea's really been pushed since a few months after new bc actually was released. >_>

Poke, you confusing yourself, just do the promise you made me. >_____>

On bots you had to play alot to earn lvl 100 so the exp derease should be good in your opinion but you say it isn't how come so?
Max members in guild on bots was 30 and we are resetting it to 20 what is wrong with that? We have less players so it can only make more competition between guilds and i thought that was what you wanted

The reset is the only thing which you acctually gave us a reason to discuss, it is good becsuse it will promote the above called things, also quited players in sunshine for example will be kicked out and we will see that like 23m gp will stand instead of the high 55m gp from players that don't play

Pokeh, the reset is a change, and a major one. I get the point of it, but i dont agree with it.

@Ian

I stated along time ago i dont mind all that much if you lower the exp and havent sed anything about it sense. Keep up with the posts.

Good, you don't agree with it.

1 person doesn't agree, 10 people do.

You lose by majority vote. Now, go complain to Mod Cooky and hopefully he'll give you a free item for voicing your opinion.

Corr, its more then 1 person and more then 10 people. Look, we all think so, so im going to say it. this is getting redundent. We all know i don't completely agree with this and we all know these things are going to happen. I've stated my points and that's that. These things are going to happen, a lot of people will and will not like it. i will miss my guild but i know i'm not going to win this, im cilized. have a good day, all.  :-X

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Corr, its more then 1 person and more then 10 people. Look, we all think so, so im going to say it. this is getting redundent. We all know i don't completely agree with this and we all know these things are going to happen. I've stated my points and that's that. These things are going to happen, a lot of people will and will not like it. i will miss my guild but i know i'm not going to win this, im cilized. have a good day, all.  :-X

it is not like you win or lose this, you say what you think about the idea. And could you let those others who disagree with this get to this thread and voice their opinions, i would love to hear them.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Corr, its more then 1 person and more then 10 people. Look, we all think so, so im going to say it. this is getting redundent. We all know i don't completely agree with this and we all know these things are going to happen. I've stated my points and that's that. These things are going to happen, a lot of people will and will not like it. i will miss my guild but i know i'm not going to win this, im cilized. have a good day, all.  :-X

1 person on this thread - You
10 people on this thread - Me, Itz, Ross, Poke, Fira, Neo, Iri, Gavin, Red, Gramps, Toast, Cooky.

I put 12 just for good measure. Gg.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 04:20:05 PM
Why? Why must all the really good games that I love be changed to the same stupid and careless ideas. I honestly don't mind if you give exp bonuses to PvP and BvB, but you're giving an exp cut from sector? It's not cool. Now, let's move to the "guild problem". What exactly is the problem? I don't see what the problem is, none in fact. Guilds are perfect the way they are. Now listen, I've been playing since Bots and I got to level 100 with full +5 bladium. I worked my ass off for that account. And then do you know what happened? They stopped the whole damn game. I was heart broken that this happened, I still am and it happened years ago. So saying your going to now stop guilds AND change the game completely makes me want to cry. When I first found this game, meaning Bots by Acclaim, I loved it so much that I was on everyday. I don't do that with many games. This game is my WoW. So now your saying you're going to change a perfect game to something lame? These obserd changes to the great games of the world need to stop, so on behave on all the Bots and Bout veterans, I plead that you don't do this change and you come up with a good reason why you're calling it "a guild problem". Me and I can assure you many others don't see a problem. I hope you feel the gravity of my words, you will lose many players and upset many others. Have a nice day...

~Nitshade

There is no guild problem, what is the problem?
The problem is this, there raging about the transfer of gps. Who started this?
This all started when Gramps raged awhile back and so-called quit again, Gramps gps went to Redemption the guild he was in and when he came back he got his gps back so if u want to rage about the transfer of gps rage at Gramps and Redemption.
What this rage is about its ICE now, point blank- when ICE do it you guys need to put ur tampons on because u bleed badly and you can't find a hole to plug up.
Most of you don't know the real story here, all you know is when is come to the ICE all u do is have a bitch fit.
We work hard as hell to achieve where we are at, none of us wants too see our guilds reset.
Understand this was all a trick and Gramps used you all just for this, he used you as a tool and a fool.

^ Hey dude, I don't mean to sound like an A-hole but can you shut up now. He showed his point and you don't have to argue with it, that's what opinions are for. This isn't a debate thread.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 08:05:48 PM
^ Hey dude, I don't mean to sound like an A-hole but can you shut up now. He showed his point and you don't have to argue with it, that's what opinions are for. This isn't a debate thread.

Who the hell u talking to dude.

Your mothers offspring.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
Your mothers offspring.

You stated you don't want to sound like an ass-hole, you just put ur foot in ur mouth.
Because you sound like a big ass-hole now, not an ass hole but a big ass-hole.
You just want to start shit and fight with people u should be muted, you like this because u suck at sector and ur guild sucked real big time.
Niteshade 140, I wanted you to know the real facts about this bro.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
Your mothers offspring.

Lol.

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 07, 2012, 08:55:12 PM

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
Your mothers offspring.

You stated you don't want to sound like an ass-hole, you just put ur foot in ur mouth.
Because you sound like a big ass-hole now, not an ass hole but a big ass-hole.
You just want to start shit and fight with people u should be muted, you like this because u suck at sector and ur guild sucked real big time.
Niteshade 140, I wanted you to know the real facts about this bro.

I apologize Mr. Bigsnot. I just said their is no reason for debating on this topic anymore. You can make a whole section of that.

As for the asshole comment, I just said I was talking too you in a... unique way. lmao, you are your mother's offspring, right? >___>, and my guild was pretty boss, we didn't need OP items too get rank 1, and we did it with 30 members.

Oh, and no alternate accounts or double clienting, just old fashioned sextoring, but that's besides the point of this topic.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:00:36 AM
I hope you die in a hole you piece of crap of a pvper

I don't PvP. I play sector more than I PvP.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:00:36 AMlearn to play all modes without destroying one

I do know how to play all the modes, and this change is being implemented so people like you would as well. And again, how is sector being destroyed when the gameplay is staying the exact same?

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:00:36 AMAnd Gavin just shut up you have no right to talk considering you hardly play this game you obviosly dont know how long it takes to get max level.

I play regularly now. And I played daily when the rates were much lower, back then it took less than a week to get to max level. Hell, Gifted Skills was level 50 just a few days ago and two after I last played him, he had gone up over 110 levels. And Gifted is a PvPer so...

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:00:36 AMLike i said before more people PVP when BS had a meaning.

That's why Allie is adding special drops to PvP and BvB.

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:00:36 AMHalf of the community hate the idea of the sector exp drop. Only people who agree are people who pvp.

The majority of the people here seem to be on board with the idea, and I doubt very many of them PvP/BvB.

Quote from: niteshade140 on July 07, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
If you really think this is logical then you and everyone else is careless, stupid, and has no respect for veterans.

The veterans are the ones who came up with the bulk of it... Not just the BC vets, but the people who were vets on BOTS!! Acclaim.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 09:01:01 PM

Quote from: RAUDOG on July 07, 2012, 08:55:12 PM

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
Your mothers offspring.

You stated you don't want to sound like an ass-hole, you just put ur foot in ur mouth.
Because you sound like a big ass-hole now, not an ass hole but a big ass-hole.
You just want to start shit and fight with people u should be muted, you like this because u suck at sector and ur guild sucked real big time.
Niteshade 140, I wanted you to know the real facts about this bro.

I apologize Mr. Bigsnot. I just said their is no reason for debating on this topic anymore. You can make a whole section of that.

As for the asshole comment, I just said I was talking too you in a... unique way. lmao, you are your mother's offspring, right? >___>, and my guild was pretty boss, we didn't need OP items too get rank 1, and we did it with 30 members.

Oh, and no alternate accounts or double clienting, just old fashioned sextoring, but that's besides the point of this topic.

I apologize for going off topic but  Corr YOU trying to through ur bird chest out, How the hell were u ever a dam GM now ur speaking of parents, this only shows that ur not man made or self made but in fact Bitch made,on the note i'm out. PEACE.

Quote from: Corr on July 07, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Poke, you confusing yourself, just do the promise you made me. >_____>

reading back i do sound confused. got lost cuz typing w.o.t's on a phone isnt my thing. he gets my point tho. oh and ill try ur thing tonoght when im on. else i have an alternative route :/

Didn't say anything about your mom, I'm talking about your mom's offspring, which should be you unless you were adopted.

Was never a GM, just a regular dude who's IQ is over 160. Kthx.

what *** brings up their iq :)

Ice, my gp was moved? Wrong again. And this?  "Gramps used you all just for this, he used you as a tool and a fool." I realise you hate me but stop talking bullshit, just digging a hole for yourself.

Just to add, this thread is about to start people getting warned or muted. No need for the playground name calling.

Quote from: Gramps on July 07, 2012, 09:35:25 PM
Ice, my gp was moved? Wrong again. And this?  "Gramps used you all just for this, he used you as a tool and a fool." I realise you hate me but stop talking bullshit, just digging a hole for yourself.

Just to add, this thread is about to start people getting warned or muted. No need for the playground name calling.

YEA gramps i know the real deal, and dig a hole wtf your talking about here, is that a threat and no hate is not in me bro.
As stated when it comes to ICE the shit goes down point made.

You're funny, seriously. Excuse the "non pro reply but" wtf are you talking about? Make up some stuff and post it on the forum? Pretty sad ice, act the age you claim to be?
Pm me if you wanna talk.
Back on topic??

This is turning into Gramps repeatedly telling Ice to take it to PM again and Ice won't do it. Why does one of our GM's continually fight someone? Seems really immature. Gramps if you want to talk it out over PM then do your job, step up, and don't take it to the topic. Take it straight to Ice and be the first to PM. 

OK here the ddeal how bout reduce the exp but not cut in half k? k P.S if you really want it fair all modes get bonus

Quote from: speedy101 on July 07, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
OK here the ddeal how bout reduce the exp but not cut in half k? k P.S if you really want it fair all modes get bonus

Stop posting here, you will never learn obviously, we have proved to you why it is fair for all modes.

I have 1 suggestion for this
Add guild rankings With actual power
Co-leader
Main gp earner
Reward giver
Etc...

Quote from: Zap1173 on July 09, 2012, 12:16:21 AM
I have 1 suggestion for this
Add guild rankings With actual power
Co-leader
Main gp earner
Reward giver
Etc...

i like this idea
what if founder/coleader etc. had a little icon showing their position close to the guild name?

Quote from: amalia on July 09, 2012, 06:19:42 PM
this will happen soon ?? because I can't wait for it  :P

tier 3 from pvp and bvb it's a good ideea because no1 can go for tier 3 on 219 and still some ppl use that because they were helped by GM's or Mod's and I think it's unfair.
I don't think to get a tier 3 armor should mean to beg a GM or admin to help me get it because it's called abuse power.Only some ppl had that advantage

Uhm, Mods don't have an unfair advantage over players when it comes to getting T3. The only OP thing GMs have is GM Gun and that fails at lv 219, the best thing to do there is GC/Counter.

Don't you think it is unfair for those who joined bc after hp pack was banned ??bcz obv they can't go for t3 and t3 on 219 > any set in game. (excepting the part when some ppl bought ele +7 for 300 mil and some got their t3 in 30 mins with hp packs )

I'm sure you don't think this way bcz u are GM and don't give a .. about what is fair and unfair in game. If you have it it's all good.

Quote from: amalia on July 10, 2012, 07:38:14 AM
Don't you think it is unfair for those who joined bc after hp pack was banned ??bcz obv they can't go for t3 and t3 on 219 > any set in game. (excepting the part when some ppl bought ele +7 for 300 mil and some got their t3 in 30 mins with hp packs )

I'm sure you don't think this way bcz u are GM and don't give a .. about what is fair and unfair in game. If you have it it's all good.

I'm a GM, which makes it even more obvious I care about what is fair and unfair in this game. What's with people like you coming here and condescending me just because I don't agree with you? Can't you argue maturely? >_>

I agree the HP pack thing was unfair, but it was a bug/mistake on the Admins part. 219 will eventually be nerfed in some way anyway, so everyone has a fair chance of getting T3.

Quote from: amalia on July 10, 2012, 07:38:14 AM
Don't you think it is unfair for those who joined bc after hp pack was banned ??bcz obv they can't go for t3 and t3 on 219 > any set in game. (excepting the part when some ppl bought ele +7 for 300 mil and some got their t3 in 30 mins with hp packs )

I'm sure you don't think this way bcz u are GM and don't give a .. about what is fair and unfair in game. If you have it it's all good.

Just to add, even with the hp packs there was no guarantee of tier 3 parts. I tried and got none.

Quote from: Gramps on July 10, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
Just to add, even with the hp packs there was no guarantee of tier 3 parts. I tried and got none.

i tried around 300timer hp pack to get tier 3.. i didn't get one part of it.

so you may sit down, and be happy as it is.

people came her before you, and they sold items in shop like jackhead (for oneday) and many other items (hp pack, rb pack)..
we got many old players, and most of them worked hard for their stuff.
earning items/lvls from the ground when no1 was lvl 50++ :P
it was harder in the old days.

Lv 219 is easy though.

If it was a "bug" than a rollback is the only logic answer to make it fair again.

Those peeps took advantage, and abused Admin's mistake, so yea, you usually do rollbacks when things like that happen, or wipe out all the Tier3 219 items.

what i miss ._.

everything!

Quote from: Corr on July 10, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
If it was a "bug" than a rollback is the only logic answer to make it fair again.

Those peeps took advantage, and abused Admin's mistake, so yea, you usually do rollbacks when things like that happen, or wipe out all the Tier3 219 items.

ya remove all unlegit tier 3 shits!!

lol'd @ thread
imo sector is getting a bit too nurfed
but i can live with that with the perks that bvb is getting
/late.

Quote from: mo9 on July 11, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
lol'd @ thread
imo sector is getting a bit too nurfed
but i can live with that with the perks that bvb is getting
/late.

I miss old epic bvb times in bots acclaim , here is totally no bvb and almost no pvp : /.

Whens the gp wipe??

Quote from: amalia on July 15, 2012, 04:28:22 PM

Quote from: RedNeon on July 11, 2012, 09:06:18 AM

Quote from: Corr on July 10, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
If it was a "bug" than a rollback is the only logic answer to make it fair again.

Those peeps took advantage, and abused Admin's mistake, so yea, you usually do rollbacks when things like that happen, or wipe out all the Tier3 219 items.

ya remove all unlegit tier 3 shits!!

+1

Robo i don't care about you but all the t3 in-game are illegal since no1 can take those now

I know Ross and Tricky got them legit.

Quote from: hawk5005 on July 15, 2012, 04:43:41 PM

Quote from: amalia on July 15, 2012, 04:28:22 PM

Quote from: RedNeon on July 11, 2012, 09:06:18 AM

Quote from: Corr on July 10, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
If it was a "bug" than a rollback is the only logic answer to make it fair again.

Those peeps took advantage, and abused Admin's mistake, so yea, you usually do rollbacks when things like that happen, or wipe out all the Tier3 219 items.

ya remove all unlegit tier 3 shits!!

+1

Robo i don't care about you but all the t3 in-game are illegal since no1 can take those now

I know Ross and Tricky got them legit.

So did Angrod I believe.

Ross didn't get his t3 set legitly  ;D

He is able too though, Neo - so basically he did.

When this gp wipe will take action?

Quote from: 5thnbg on July 17, 2012, 04:04:05 PM
When will this take action?

Could i know the approximate time this update will be started?
then ,,wut comes first among these a lot of updates?

So when is this happening ?

Quote from: NeoKiller on July 29, 2012, 08:00:03 AM
So when is this happening ?

Until we get bored.

This will happen as a surpriz i think :P

i love all except for the part of the guild its ok if u wipe it all
but atleast leave the maximum member its good 50 because u are already friend of those 50 players and now u have to
battle vs them....

Quote from: Yz on July 15, 2012, 06:18:20 PM
He is able too though, Neo - so basically he did.

just now saw this soo

ok since I'm able to get t3 on krazed kletz can I get a set too without doing the level
sorry trik but that's the stupidest thing I've heard u say

Quote from: KillerPig on July 30, 2012, 03:14:31 AM

Quote from: Yz on July 15, 2012, 06:18:20 PM
He is able too though, Neo - so basically he did.

just now saw this soo

ok since I'm able to get t3 on krazed kletz can I get a set too without doing the level
sorry trik but that's the stupidest thing I've heard u say

No, you just misunderstood me. It's not fair how he got it, nor is it fair how many others got their overload T3, but at least Ross can actually get it ._. And he has gotten it.

My set was spawned, but I've reached T3 many times, are you saying I'm not legit T3? That's my point.

ehm
yeeeee major misunderstanding

If your dropping exp rates for sector I'm gonna grind until I'm 221 before it drops, so just don't drop it, it will be unfair for lower levels who will take forever to get up to a higher level, and I find a problem with wiping out the guild because when this update occurs whoever has the fastest computer can log in faster and take a famous guild's name.

it's not about the name, it's all about the player.

there will be a tier armor for lvl 172?? because lvl 138 its to low for the ones that are non mem

+1

When is this going to take place?

The only thing i disagree with is the EXP halving for sector... it would be too hard for people who aren't pro at PVP or BVB cause i saw with my own eyes how hard it is to defeat pro's from my same level... those people are hardcore gamers...

Even for members it would be not fair.... i was finding out how much EXP i would get in HARD mode!! lvl 172 (I'm lvl 175) I would get 880 EXP on normal days... that's too less for me... at least leave it to something in the 1000...

Well... i hope it would not be too low :/....

Thanks please reply on this...

Quote from: daniel4667 on September 11, 2012, 07:30:35 AM
The only thing i disagree with is the EXP halving for sector... it would be too hard for people who aren't pro at PVP or BVB cause i saw with my own eyes how hard it is to defeat pro's from my same level... those people are hardcore gamers...

Even for members it would be not fair.... i was finding out how much EXP i would get in HARD mode!! lvl 172 (I'm lvl 175) I would get 880 EXP on normal days... that's too less for me... at least leave it to something in the 1000...

Well... i hope it would not be too low :/....

Thanks please reply on this...

If you PvP a lot you'll learn better, experience is your best teacher.

was it agreed on that pushing wouldnt make u lose exp?

Quote from: KillerPig on September 11, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
was it agreed on that pushing wouldnt make u lose exp?

this is what I need to know

Wow, i just read what i posted a while back, and im sorry for it  :-[. When you get to the max level you want competition. I'm really sorry for the post i made sowwi <3. I actually think this is a good idea. And again sorry :c