We in Zylon Gaming are considering a full economy reset.
What this means is resetting everyone's gigas, coins and bot stract to 0 (excluding 500 gigas).
The shop will be heavily modified, sales prices will be modified to reflect an actually-working economy and all methods of obtaining gigas will be modified for everyone to build back up on.
We understand all the troubles that have been going on lately, but this has been a long time coming, and the stake issue has been a hard hit giving us a reason to finally do this.
We will not if everyone is against it, but please, when telling us your thoughts, consider the well being of the game more so than personal gain. The game needs this.
I'll be doing a Q&A on this in about 20 minutes in-game, whether there's anyone there or not.
Well, this has to happen, just do it i think most of us understannd.
yes
whenever you do this i may think to comeback
No, because I just traded away my Halloween trans for 72million gigas. Do NOT take that away! I take pride in my hard-earned gigas and bot-stract. In my opinion, I don't see how it's ruining the economy and it shouldn't be taken away.
Quote from: Allie on September 23, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
consider the well being of the game more so than personal gain. The game needs this.
How is it ruining the economy? The game is running fine.
+1.
Nanak don't write a useless post please.
I totally disagree with this act because even though I do not play BC. I think they deserve there stuff because think about the people that are in top 10 gigas/coin/bs they probably worked hella hard to get there. So I think you should atleast give the top 10 like a prize or something. Also from one of the post I saw like if u traded something for like 100m recently do you want to lose that.
In a way i feel like this sucks, how will people buy shit? there will be no economy for a LONG ass time. Prices will go down, but not tht much if i can get 350m on a Jack now, why would i sell it for 100m later. Just saying :-[ :(
And, in my opinion i really dont feel like anything bad is happening with the economy in the game.
no!! what about the people who get it the hard way and max that have his 3 char with max gigas i dont think this is a good idea just take out stake thats all
Quote from: -PeaceLover- on September 23, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
I totally disagree with this act because even though I do not play BC. I think they deserve there stuff because think about the people that are in top 10 gigas/coin/bs they probably worked hella hard to get there. So I think you should atleast give the top 10 like a prize or something.
New idea:
Why don't you go resetting the wealth of the people who actually WANT it to be reset? I might even take a break off Boutcheetah if this happens, because I see no point in becoming rich if it all just gets taken away...
ok ik its cus the stakes thing but can u not rest my low stuff i worked for mu stuff low hard to get stuff now >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( PLZ DONT RE SET MY HARD ERND STUFF PLZ MS PLZ PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
nanuk I kinda disagree because why would someone want to be resetted alone it doesn't make sense. They want everyone to be reset not themselves.
Is there no way to save the gigas of the people who payed to get them?
I payed 25$ in the past few days to buy a DM but no one is sell right now.
No that would be unfair thats like saying the poor shall die and the rich shall live.
Is there actually a REASON to how this is ruining the economy? Nothing needs to be fixed! I haven't heard any complaints about this in the suggestions or feedback from other players. There is no need to fix something that isn't broken,
nothing's wrong with the economy.Quote from: -PeaceLover- on September 23, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
No that would be unfair thats like saying the poor shall die and the rich shall live.
You think that's unfair? How is it fair that people pay $25 for gigas and it gets taken away. That's STEALING!
Quote from: -PeaceLover- on September 23, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
No that would be unfair thats like saying the poor shall die and the rich shall live.
I dont mean it in that way, Id feel like ive just been robbed of 25$ if they do this.
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: -PeaceLover- on September 23, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
No that would be unfair thats like saying the poor shall die and the rich shall live.
You think that's unfair? How is it fair that people pay $25 for gigas and it gets taken away. That's STEALING!
You made a good point there.
What was the point of me even playing for the last 4-3 months if you are going to wipe away all my gigas.
Countless items I have parted with many sector games, I spent realy money on memberships to sell to people for gigas.
You are going about this the wrong way, we shouldnt have to suffer for your mistakes.
You already took away 900m I made in stake rooms yesterday. Because somepeple apparently abused the stake system I am not even sure how you do it, yet I have to suffer because I play pvp well. You leave me with 200m when I have 350m before stake was implemented.
i just thought of sumtin... Why dontwe just take half of eveybodys gigas/coiuns/bs ._. not too much, not to little.
complete fresh start ye
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
There is no point of taking away anyones gigas what would that do.
You are not getting the point of this thing they are cutting everyone gp to change the shop and make everything balanced. If you just cut the gp in half what would that do just make people mad?
At least give the items out from the Event Shops first.
And while ur at this, y not just reset the whole game?
Since you already had a GP Wipe, going to wipe out all coins/BS/gigas.
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 23, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
At least give the items out from the Event Shops first.
And while ur at this, y not just reset the whole game?
Since you already had a GP Wipe, going to wipe out all coins/BS/gigas.
R u srs.
Quote from: Noname21 on September 23, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
What was the point of me even playing for the last 4-3 months if you are going to wipe away all my gigas.
Countless items I have parted with many sector games, I spent realy money on memberships to sell to people for gigas.
You are going about this the wrong way, we shouldnt have to suffer for your mistakes.
You already took away 900m I made in stake rooms yesterday. Because somepeple apparently abused the stake system I am not even sure how you do it, yet I have to suffer because I play pvp well. You leave me with 200m when I have 350m before stake was implemented.
As much as we disagree with each other, I completely 100% support you there.
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Which is why they don't understand....
Quote from: Reaper666 on September 23, 2012, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 23, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
At least give the items out from the Event Shops first.
And while ur at this, y not just reset the whole game?
Since you already had a GP Wipe, going to wipe out all coins/BS/gigas.
R u srs.
no im srs because right now they are basically just wiping out everything.
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Which is why they don't understand....
Just wanted to add in-
I have 1.5bil gigas, and I have by far the most coins ever made in the game (300mil I think?) and I approve for the economy wipe.
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Which is why they don't understand....
Just wanted to add in-
I have 1.5bil gigas, and I have by far the most coins ever made in the game (300mil I think?) and I approve for the economy wipe.
You're an admin, why should you care? I doubt you even got all of them legitly. You don't value your account as well as some of us do.
There have been 33 replies and not ONE of them states why it is beneficial for the economy and what is wrong with it now.
I have been an Admin for about 2 or 3 months out of the 3 years I've been playing BoutCheetah. I can assure you everything I have is legit - I don't even have a Dark meto.
His account is an admin why wouldn't he value it? he probably worked hard to get up that far.
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Yeah kinda because those people.. like me who basically have nothing tried hard to at least earn what little amount I can with my limited time..
I think this method is way too controversial though... but then again, you'd have to sacrifice some to earn shiz..
I'm neutral.
Quote from: ghostkid17 on September 23, 2012, 11:48:01 PM
His account is an admin why wouldn't he value it? he probably worked hard to get up that far.
Doesn't really look like it since he's about to happily lose 1.5 billion gigas...
xbaras
Wall-of-texter and professional lagist
Member
put that title to work boy. lets see it
tell me one NONPERSONAL reason as to why this shouldnt happen
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
Quote from: ghostkid17 on September 23, 2012, 11:48:01 PM
His account is an admin why wouldn't he value it? he probably worked hard to get up that far.
Doesn't really look like it since he's about to happily lose 1.5 billion gigas...
He wants what is best for the game, he will lose money but this would help the game DRASTICALLY.
I've worked to get 6.5bil gigas in total with Galacti. It's a bit stupid to assume that just because I'm an Admin it means I haven't earned my stuff. Examine me, IGN Yz. I've earned all my stuff, and more that I'm not even wearing >_>
The only thing that was spawned for me apart from staff items on my staff acount was a Kowbat and I already have like 2 of those legit...
I'll happily lose my gigas if the community will benefit from it.
+1, I approve the staked gigas have to be wiped, Today, I sold alot of stuff, I dont even care if you wipe the gigas. It would be fair so basically the excesive amount of gigas would be deleted, as for the other stuff... , they can be earned easily in sector, even if you lose 1m coins you can just get them back by sectoring. :P
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Which is why they don't understand....
Just wanted to add in-
I have 1.5bil gigas, and I have by far the most coins ever made in the game (300mil I think?) and I approve for the economy wipe.
You're an admin, why should you care? I doubt you even got all of them legitly. You don't value your account as well as some of us do.
LOL.
Someones mad.
The economy is going to need a reset, people reaching billions of gigas(even the giga limit I hear), everything is just soo inflated, the economy in this game is ridiculously broke. Even though I'm dirt poor, I still have an opinion in this because they're asking from the players, not just the rich group. This reflects on real life really vividly in a way.
Imo you guys should just divide everyone's gigas by 100, and every way you can earn gigas divided by 100 too.
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
I'll happily lose my gigas if the community will benefit from it.
See? As i said he wants what is best for the game
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
Quote from: ghostkid17 on September 23, 2012, 11:48:01 PM
His account is an admin why wouldn't he value it? he probably worked hard to get up that far.
Doesn't really look like it since he's about to happily lose 1.5 billion gigas...
Trick can easily work hard to earn those gigas again because he's so devoted to this game. A fresh start could renew interest, like your bot's born again, everyone equal. It's like a brand new game where the ladder to the top is so much easier because of the currency reset. That, would be the benefit of this enactment.
Allie's ideas:
1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
+1, but the real problem is the amount of money players have given to ZylonGaming to sell memberships to other players.. The ones who sold memberships and got gigas in return and are now gonna get it all taken away are gonna be pissed. I don't know how much money most verified sellers used to buy mems but it's gonna make them furious.
But +1 because I'm not one of those guys.
;D
Quote from: KillerPig on September 23, 2012, 11:50:54 PM
xbaras
Wall-of-texter and professional lagist
Member
put that title to work boy. lets see it
tell me one NONPERSONAL reason as to why this shouldn't happen
Taking very player's gigas away should not happen because whilst many poor people seem to be okay with it, taking away many hours worth of giga grinding will outrage an equal amount of players. Think about it. What if you just sold an Elektra +7 set for 350million gigas? Basically, you would have just given it to someone for free. The same principle applies to buying credits off the
overpriced credit shop (as you'd just be paying money for nothing). I'm not just talking about the most expensive items people have sold,
I'm talking about every single darn item people have ever sold for gigas. You implementing this = you (in a sense) just stole all of those items.
Secondly, what will you do if you implement this decision and someone becomes extremely rich over time? What will you do, just delete everyone's gigas again or what? Something else you probably overlooked - a benefit for members who pay money is (I think) 40k coins every Monday. If you wanted to reduce the inflation, wouldn't you have just changed this instead of keeping it to to get people to pay you guys money for things which just get deleted anyway? From this point of view, it nearly looks like a scam!
Even if there were as many people not wanting the update as there were who actually did want it, that would create a riot, an outrage. Do you really want to fix a problem only to be faced with another? People would quit, go inactive, top gp grinders would cause their guilds to fall. This is an unnecessary problem that doesn't need to be faced. As Allie just said in the lobby, one of the other two decisions should be implemented instead of just swiping away gigas which put pride into people's accounts.
The decisions are:
-Put a 1% tax on all giga transactions / 3% tax on marketplace transactions
-Reduce the gigas earned during all game modes
-Implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
I now know that the main problem caused is the giga inflation itself, that now items are worth 350,000,000 gigas. But is it really a problem? Who cares whether the numbers are big or small, it's not like people are getting overly-good are really bad deals / trades because of it. Like I said before, there's no need to fix something that isn't broken. If you do happen to somehow ignore this useful reasoning, I suggest that you (in lieu of taking all gigas) implement two of the decisions above. I do not think deleting all gigas needs to happen and it would cause more problems than it solved.
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
I've worked to get 6.5bil gigas in total with Galacti. It's a bit stupid to assume that just because I'm an Admin it means I haven't earned my stuff. Examine me, IGN Yz. I've earned all my stuff, and more that I'm not even wearing >_>
The only thing that was spawned for me apart from staff items on my staff acount was a Kowbat and I already have like 2 of those legit...
I'll happily lose my gigas if the community will benefit from it.
How does one get Kowbat legitly?
Allie, you do this update 1/2 of the people who play BC will quit
AKA all the koreans ::)
Quote from: xbaras on September 24, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
I've worked to get 6.5bil gigas in total with Galacti. It's a bit stupid to assume that just because I'm an Admin it means I haven't earned my stuff. Examine me, IGN Yz. I've earned all my stuff, and more that I'm not even wearing >_>
The only thing that was spawned for me apart from staff items on my staff acount was a Kowbat and I already have like 2 of those legit...
I'll happily lose my gigas if the community will benefit from it.
How does one get Kowbat legitly?
From events.
add set limits
if you have like 53 mil, you go down to 10 mil (it would be 50 but it's too close so it goes down a column. have a percentage where you get bumped down if it's too close.)
if you have 8.5 mil, you go down to 5 mil
if you have 142 mil, you go down to 100 mil
if you have 85 mil, you go down to 50 mil
etc.
--
At least these bugs are consistently helping refresh BC and bringing up old ideas from when new BC had started.
Quote from: xbaras on September 24, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
I've worked to get 6.5bil gigas in total with Galacti. It's a bit stupid to assume that just because I'm an Admin it means I haven't earned my stuff. Examine me, IGN Yz. I've earned all my stuff, and more that I'm not even wearing >_>
The only thing that was spawned for me apart from staff items on my staff acount was a Kowbat and I already have like 2 of those legit...
I'll happily lose my gigas if the community will benefit from it.
How does one get Kowbat legitly?
By Kow I was bunching them in with Jura which I bought for gigas off my friends.
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 24, 2012, 12:16:01 AM
Allie, you do this update 1/2 of the people who play BC will quit
AKA all the koreans ::)
I agree with this, If it's the best for bc, then so be it. There's always downsides, imo but I think this is a really good oportunity.
A lot of people might whine now(And they will) but I think it's the best, besides you can see it as a chance of becoming one of the richest players in-game. ;3
if this does go into effect
NO buying gigas off admins
NO buying bs off admins
NO buying coins off admins
NO MORE selling op items for $
Quote from: KillerPig on September 24, 2012, 12:29:59 AM
if this does go into effect
NO buying gigas off admins
NO buying bs off admins
NO buying coins off admins
NO MORE selling op items for $
MORE IMPORTANTLY
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 24, 2012, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 24, 2012, 12:16:01 AM
Allie, you do this update 1/2 of the people who play BC will quit
AKA all the koreans ::)
It's a bit late for that, Allie.
Quote from: KillerPig on September 24, 2012, 12:29:59 AM
if this does go into effect
NO buying gigas off admins
NO buying bs off admins
NO buying coins off admins
NO MORE selling op items for $
Ya Allie. This is a company. It's either money or refreshed balance in this game.
Just limit it like I said above and add tax for every transaction etc.
Steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Take the #1 gigas user and give everything they have to the last place, #2 to the second last, and so on... balance will happen lol.
#FireyDevel2012
Quote from: FireyDevel on September 24, 2012, 12:49:43 AM
Steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Take the #1 gigas user and give everything they have to the last place, #2 to the second last, and so on... balance will happen lol.
THE RICH ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY EARN THEIR MONEY (minus the fact that people buy gigas, but I can't image many people do anyway). It's like working hard for something, then losing it because others don't work as hard.
I'm gone for a whole day, I gave you guys a good decent plan that wouldn't have anybody raging and I so saw this coming because of Fira's inability to take suggestions from regular players.
Stupid idea imo. >___>
Everyone needs to realize this is a game, and stop freaking over gigas. Go get some fresh air. I like the idea... I dont play BC a lot but it would seem beneficial by making the game more welcoming to newer players. YAY FireyDevel is back <3
Quote from: DarkShadow89 on September 24, 2012, 01:25:47 AM
Everyone needs to realize this is a game, and stop freaking over gigas. Go get some fresh air. I like the idea... I dont play BC a lot but it would seem beneficial by making the game more welcoming to newer players. YAY FireyDevel is back <3
If they wipe all gigas, I want the 100 hours of my life back (idk how long I really spent, but something like that)
lmfao too funny.
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a
last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented
long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Quote from: KillerPig on September 24, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
Allie's ideas:
Option 1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
Option 2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
Option 3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
These are the things that the higher ups are thinking of at the moment, not resetting all personal wealth. Arguing about the worst case scenario does not do anyone any good except to cause stress and unneeded tension within the community. This being the case, I would recommend we concentrate on the here and now.
I for one support the implementation of all three of these options. I support number one because it would force players to rely on a set amount of gigas for a period of time, therefore lowering the prices of items as players try to compensate for the lack of a continuous flow of currency. This actually does seem like a good idea. As an example: say a billionaire in the game comes across a C.A.T. +2 Patch body. Instead of setting the price of that item at well over 10,000 gigas when the actual game-store item is worth 2,900, that billionaire would have to realize that not everyone is going to possess a vast sum of currency and would have to price the item lower in order to make a profit instead of charging a ridiculous fee for a special item found from dropping.
I support the implementation of option two simply because it would get rid of excess gigas. It would definitely help to curb the inflation problem by ensuring that there will be gigas that will never be seen again by anyone. It will help people to treasure their gigas a bit more and teach them to think about keeping the prices at non-ridiculous levels. The 1% tax on the in-game store will also entice more people to purchase from the store as well rather than the marketplace, which would have a 3% tax.
Option three I support simply because it can be seen as a status item. As an example: if the new economy were to go into effect, it would make it that much more difficult to accumulate a massive amount of gigas. So say there is a vanity item that is priced at 50,000,000 gigas. Since acquiring that many gigas would be that much harder in this new economy, that item could be considered a personal achievement as well as a testament to the other players about how much you've dedicated to the game by being able to purchase said item (which would also keep the customers from acquiring insane amounts of gigas). Now for all those naysayers out there that say this will not work at all, I laugh. Just take a look at prime example games like Team Fortress 2. Enough said.
As a final point:
the mods are going about this democratically and allowing the community members to have a say before implementing it. Take advantage of that.
Quote from: Zdragow on September 24, 2012, 02:33:04 AM
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Quote from: KillerPig on September 24, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
Allie's ideas:
Option 1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
Option 2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
Option 3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
These are the things that the higher ups are thinking of at the moment, not resetting all personal wealth. Arguing about the worst case scenario does not do anyone any good except to cause stress and unneeded tension within the community. This being the case, I would recommend we concentrate on the here and now.
I for one support the implementation of all three of these options. I support number one because it would force players to rely on a set amount of gigas for a period of time, therefore lowering the prices of items as players try to compensate for the lack of a continuous flow of currency. This actually does seem like a good idea. As an example: say a billionaire in the game comes across a C.A.T. +2 Patch body. Instead of setting the price of that item at well over 10,000 gigas when the actual game-store item is worth 2,900, that billionaire would have to realize that not everyone is going to possess a vast sum of currency and would have to price the item lower in order to make a profit instead of charging a ridiculous fee for a special item found from dropping.
I support the implementation of option two simply because it would get rid of excess gigas. It would definitely help to curb the inflation problem by ensuring that there will be gigas that will never be seen again by anyone. It will help people to treasure their gigas a bit more and teach them to think about keeping the prices at non-ridiculous levels. The 1% tax on the in-game store will also entice more people to purchase from the store as well rather than the marketplace, which would have a 3% tax.
Option three I support simply because it can be seen as a status item. As an example: if the new economy were to go into effect, it would make it that much more difficult to accumulate a massive amount of gigas. So say there is a vanity item that is priced at 50,000,000 gigas. Since acquiring that many gigas would be that much harder in this new economy, that item could be considered a personal achievement as well as a testament to the other players about how much you've dedicated to the game by being able to purchase said item (which would also keep the customers from acquiring insane amounts of gigas). Now for all those naysayers out there that say this will not work at all, I laugh. Just take a look at prime example games like Team Fortress 2. Enough said.
As a final point: the mods are going about this democratically and allowing the community members to have a say before implementing it. Take advantage of that.
Ross applauds you for that awesome first post. Glad to have someone new here that is actually smart. Except the billionaire example, unless Ross is misinterpreting what your trying to say. The reason the person sells it for a higher price than the shop one is due to the bonuses the +2 had over the +0 shop item. 90% of the Gigas in game was most likely gotten illegitimately, because of all the glitches over the years, spawned Gigas that was leaked out from staff, such as back in the past when Allie would handed out 100's of millions of spawned Gigas from some silly puzzle questions. ::)
Quote from: Zdragow on September 24, 2012, 02:33:04 AM
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Fira didn't come up with anything that was half as good as Ross + Corr idea.
If so, Fira should post these so called ideas otherwise they're irrelevant.
Quote from: Rossbach on September 24, 2012, 03:12:40 AM
Except the billionaire example, unless Ross is misinterpreting what your trying to say. The reason the person sells it for a higher price than the shop one is due to the bonuses the +2 had over the +0 shop item.
To clarify just a bit on what I meant: I do indeed realize that the seller of an item with bonuses would sell an item for a higher price than what the "stock" item would be set at, simply because the better quality item is not purchasable from the in-game store (I merely used the stock price as a reference point). My point on what I was attempting to convey there was that even though the non-stock items would indeed be sold at a higher price than the stock items, it is still not any reason to demand an unfair price for sector-drop items.
i.e.:
If a C.A.T. Body is sold at a stock price of 2,900G,
then a C.A.T. Body +2 should not be sold for more than 10,000G. It's completely illogical.
Quote from: Allie on September 24, 2012, 03:14:39 AM
ily
And thank you, Allie. I feel honored~
^ It's ilogical but it's the way things works since everyone has millions of gigas.
Why don't you just reset everything if you think that will help?
Like everybody has 0 posts
Lvl 1
0 gp
0 gigas
0 coins
0 botstract
0 event items
/sarcasm
Dumbest idea from a proffesional game company. You think they reset everybody's gold on WoW if 10% of the users farmed? No that would kill the community which will also happen here.
Which makes me think...would cutting the winning amounts of gigas from sectoring be a viable idea?
I do remember one of the mods (Selene?) saying something along the lines of that; but, I am unsure if it was over EXP or gigas.
Quote from: Zdragow on September 24, 2012, 05:00:03 AM
Quote from: Rossbach on September 24, 2012, 03:12:40 AM
Except the billionaire example, unless Ross is misinterpreting what your trying to say. The reason the person sells it for a higher price than the shop one is due to the bonuses the +2 had over the +0 shop item.
To clarify just a bit on what I meant: I do indeed realize that the seller of an item with bonuses would sell an item for a higher price than what the "stock" item would be set at, simply because the better quality item is not purchasable from the in-game store (I merely used the stock price as a reference point). My point on what I was attempting to convey there was that even though the non-stock items would indeed be sold at a higher price than the stock items, it is still not any reason to demand an unfair price for sector-drop items.
i.e.:
If a C.A.T. Body is sold at a stock price of 2,900G,
then a C.A.T. Body +2 should not be sold for more than 10,000G. It's completely illogical.
Ross understands what your saying now. The problem about this is that the shop prices were set up when BC was released, however they never expected there to be over 150 billion Gigas to be in circulation. So what your aiming for in that example is how messed up everything is. That is why it is a good idea to reset Gigas. If the Gigas were to be reset, and the rates that people gain it are changed, this problem will be fixed. In the past 2,900G was the normal price of it, but as Hawk said, due to the fact of all the Gigas in circulation the inflation is completely illogical, causing a body +2 part to have such an abnormal asking price compared to the listed shop price. ::)
^ Sector alone wouldn't be enough.
The problem with this is the inflation like you said, BC staff never thought of putting a cap on the total amount of gigas in-game. It should be around 1.247 billion gigas by now from last night.
I suggested halving the gigas in total. Then because their is no such thing as an insta fix in this game without having 90& of the community raging, certain players thought that taxing/taking the gigas of the rich people (200bill + like N and Max) by 20% and everyone else under 200bill will have 7-9% of their gigas deleted for the course of 2-3 months. It's the best decision by far without getting people angry albeit taking a little time.
The total gigas in the game should be:
Total gigas in everyone's account (Non banned) + total gigas in gift boxes (non banned) - Banned accounts = Real amount of gigas in-game.
Kenny's numbers from the total gigas are inaccurate like he said because it included banned account gigas and didn't include gigas in the gift box.
3-4 months from now after all the percentages are in order and everyone's gigas have been depleted we'll return to a stable economic system, by then admins should figure out what the cap of total gigas should be, and something like this will never happen again (Unless someone screws up by not looking at every variable) ::)
Check the wealth rankings, there is a cap: 2147483647 Gigas.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 24, 2012, 05:52:43 AM
Check the wealth rankings, there is a cap: 2,147,483,647 Gigas.
That's not the cap? O.o
I'm talking about overall gigas (Like how certain countries only have a certain amount of currency in order to avoid inflation)
Quote from: Corr on September 24, 2012, 06:02:39 AM
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 24, 2012, 05:52:43 AM
Check the wealth rankings, there is a cap: 2,147,483,647 Gigas.
That's not the cap? O.o
I'm talking about overall gigas (Like how certain countries only have a certain amount of currency in order to avoid inflation)
^ For example once the overall Gigas reaches 10b, there will be no way to add anymore Gigas into the economy by Sector, PvP, BvB, and selling items to shop. ::)
Oh right, you actually did say on the overall amount of gigas, my bad. >_<
Would be a bad idea, as new players would have no way to gain gigas other than getting it from other players. ::)
Quote from: Rossbach on September 24, 2012, 06:08:10 AM
Would be a bad idea, as new players would have no way to gain gigas other than getting it from other players. ::)
Which is where tax system comes.
3% of of all gigas (In marketplace or whatever) Goes to new players.
Quote from: Corr on September 24, 2012, 06:23:28 AM
Quote from: Rossbach on September 24, 2012, 06:08:10 AM
Would be a bad idea, as new players would have no way to gain gigas other than getting it from other players. ::)
Which is where tax system comes.
3% of of all gigas (In marketplace or whatever) Goes to new players.
this would mean the rich never become rich, and the poor never become poor.
we will all have the same ammout of gigas and because you cant gain more gigas the economy will be gone. we will all have prices none can afford because there is none with more a high ammout of gigas. and none without gigas.
that would be as worse as giving everybody 0 gigas.
you should increase the shop prices, add this marketplace is no longer a stash thing.
release new items in shop (with decent bonusses for a high price) and add an event shop which would show all items that could be bought from an admin and when you click on buy it links you to the buy item thing etc.
The point of that is to halt gigas until you can lower the total amount to what you want the overall cap to be.
Quote from: Yz on September 23, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: xbaras on September 23, 2012, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Xiolaer on September 23, 2012, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: Styx on September 23, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Lol I have 100k, plz do take all the gigas away.
Is it fair that people who have basically nothing get a say in this?
they are not losing anything really.
Which is why they don't understand....
Just wanted to add in-
I have 1.5bil gigas, and I have by far the most coins ever made in the game (300mil I think?) and I approve for the economy wipe.
Well it is what you want but some other players who worked hard for their wealth have a good reason to not agree with this.
I don't like this idea 100%. Because as xbaras said, It's same as stealing. What's the point of doing this?.
Also I like fireydevel's idea, Steal from the rich, give it to the poor.
Coins from membership... all reset.
Gigas earned from selling items that were bought from administrators for real money, reset.
Half everything, gigas, coins, BS. Also selling price of stuff and gigas from sector.
I don't think this post will be noticed. I said to myself, will it be pointless to post this post, I mean, no one's really gonna read and understand this post. But, there's something that's gonna happen if I post this, and it's gonna change the world. Nahh, not gonna happen. Hahaha...
So I'm not gonna expect my suggestion to happen, but, after a decision is made, may you be happy playing the game.
tl;dr the ****ing long thread, only came here due to the spam bot
@thread: no. why? because you guys must learn to avoid extreme stuff like this, but ou are going to to this stuff again and again anyway
simply send your gigas to your alt
tl;dr but imo people should be given prizes based on how many gigas, coins and bs they have acquired and it should range to 0 from the richest person in bc whoever that is so that nobody feels as though its all gone for nothing
Quote from: Adamp on September 24, 2012, 12:33:38 PM
tl;dr but imo people should be given prizes based on how many gigas, coins and bs they have acquired and it should range to 0 from the richest person in bc whoever that is so that nobody feels as though its all gone for nothing
exact the same thing that I am thinking right now that the admins should do about this so ppl won't be left with nothing.
tl;dr all the thread
go for the reset ..
i'm against it. if you have let's say 1bil and someone says, we'll take it, won't you be mad? i would. they earned their money with hard work, and the admins shouldn't take it
about to sell plasmodium 7+ set for 150m, if i sell my gigas is taking away and im ripped. fuq logic.
lets have a legit vote thread
Quote from: Allie on September 23, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
We in Zylon Gaming are considering a full economy reset.
What this means is resetting everyone's gigas, coins and bot stract to 0 (excluding 500 gigas).
The shop will be heavily modified, sales prices will be modified to reflect an actually-working economy and all methods of obtaining gigas will be modified for everyone to build back up on.
We understand all the troubles that have been going on lately, but this has been a long time coming, and the stake issue has been a hard hit giving us a reason to finally do this.
We will not if everyone is against it, but please, when telling us your thoughts, consider the well being of the game more so than personal gain. The game needs this.
I'll be doing a Q&A on this in about 20 minutes in-game, whether there's anyone there or not.
what about the low channel coin and giga shop? i spent all offered all my coins and giggas there... can i still get items?
NO not the low server i still owe Yz 26m gigas from low shop event
and coins too lol u can half them or atleast 1/4 or 1/5 them
This is the worst decision taken by admin, think how many people will leave the BOTSCHEETAH if you will introduced this rule!
Quote from: demyx on September 24, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
This is the worst decision taken by admin, think how many people will leave the BOTSCHEETAH if you will introduced this rule!
This is not a rule, and this is not BOTSCHEETAH. ::)
If this does happen, maybe they could make a Set for each 100m you have.
This wont happen i just like the idea :D
And now I just gained 25 mil coins and started to play this game again it will be taken all away D: well notify if this will be implented on forehand so i can spend al my coins before it is all gone
Just putting this up again so the people who seemingly don't want to read the entire thread can get a better understanding of the situation.
Quote
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Quote from: KillerPig on Yesterday at 09:00:31 PM
Allie's ideas:
Option 1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
Option 2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
Option 3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
Quote from: Zdragow on September 24, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
Just putting this up again so the people who seemingly don't want to read the entire thread can get a better understanding of the situation.
Quote
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Quote from: KillerPig on Yesterday at 09:00:31 PM
Allie's ideas:
Option 1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
Option 2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
Option 3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
ty for the eye opener for those that didn't make the Q&A, i think these ideas should be enough to stop a full scale wipe although 200mil for 1 week, u srs?
I do think people will definitely quit if they are reset to zero gigas. At least if everyone's is decreased by a certain % (50%, 90%) the ratio of gigas is the same.
Quote from: Zdragow on September 24, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
Just putting this up again so the people who seemingly don't want to read the entire thread can get a better understanding of the situation.
Quote
If any of you were actually in-game at the time of the Q&A you would realize that the resetting of personal wealth would only be used as a last resort. Instead, Allie has come up with come different options that will be implemented long before personal wealth is touched. To quote another poster in this thread:
Quote from: KillerPig on Yesterday at 09:00:31 PM
Allie's ideas:
Option 1. remove all means of getting gigas (sector, bvb, pvp, reselling to shop) ------- temporary
Option 2. put 1% tax on all transactions ingame, 3% on marketplace --------- permanent
Option 3. implement several new "money sinks". ex: 200 mill for custom lobby color for 1 week
oh thank you kind sir
i think allie's idea > complete reset
jeff is right, people would quit if all their gigas were resetted. instead they would stick more if they had something new and useful and cool to spend them on
It's like the op BS being taken away and everyone qq'ing and people leaving.
But gigas would be 10x worse. ::)
Total Gigas In The Game: 145,580,944,195
^^ Kinda ridiculous right. I'm glad your restarting the Gigas/Bot-Stract again. Although I think coins should not be tampered with just yet.
That's if you go ahead with this.
But to me, I think this is a broken game ATM(only my opinion though). Too OP(over powered), I think a big nurf would help this game.Such as the Economy and also Exp which has just nurfed anyway. To me this game will be fun again with just a few updates.
Thanks for reading.
I think removing gigas would be fine, coins too. Most people use gigas as a payment nowadays, and I rarely see coins. (Maybe it's just me though) Most people have coin sets, so what other uses are for coins? I think most coins are used for transformation coupons anyways.
Quote from: Toast on September 24, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
I think removing gigas would be fine, coins too. Most people use gigas as a payment nowadays, and I rarely see coins. (Maybe it's just me though) Most people have coin sets, so what other uses are for coins? I think most coins are used for transformation coupons anyways.
Yup. Trans coupons and Rush II skills. Well that's I use coins for.
They need to make like a new use for coins. No point in really having a lot of coins. idk, maybe a coins -> gigas generator idk :p
Quote from: mic99 on September 24, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
They need to make like a new use for coins. No point in really having a lot of coins. idk, maybe a coins -> gigas generator idk :p
Because they should make a coins to gigas generator when they're planning on removing gigas.
ya like the gigas / bs generator ( u know, 5mfor 10k bs)
Quote from: Dillh on September 24, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: Toast on September 24, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
I think removing gigas would be fine, coins too. Most people use gigas as a payment nowadays, and I rarely see coins. (Maybe it's just me though) Most people have coin sets, so what other uses are for coins? I think most coins are used for transformation coupons anyways.
Yup. Trans coupons and Rush II skills. Well that's I use coins for.
Should make II skills bought with gigas, like 10m per 100 game II. :D
That's why I said idk Toast duhhh. But imo there really should be a new use for coins, not much is used with them other then II skills and trans coupons.
why are u reseting the coins and bot stract?
Nothing has been abused to get them. Just reset the gigas k.
AND
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 24, 2012, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: jinhongzhu on September 24, 2012, 12:16:01 AM
Allie, you do this update 1/2 of the people who play BC will quit
AKA all the koreans ::)
do this one extreme thing.
just dont make the mistake again omg
Quote from: KillerPig on September 24, 2012, 01:35:28 PM
lets have a legit vote thread
Quote from: icedeath46 on September 23, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
ok ik its cus the stakes thing but can u not rest my low stuff i worked for mu stuff low hard to get stuff now >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( PLZ DONT RE SET MY HARD ERND STUFF PLZ MS PLZ PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
whose bitch that will let there wealth to reset???? haha
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this will be in favor to newbies.. but not pleasant to those weathy characters..
Quote from: Toast on September 24, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
I think removing gigas would be fine, coins too. Most people use gigas as a payment nowadays, and I rarely see coins. (Maybe it's just me though) Most people have coin sets, so what other uses are for coins? I think most coins are used for transformation coupons anyways.
I just got 25 mil coins took me a very long time to gain it and I use them on loads of stuff even helping new people getting a coin trans or stuff i want to keep my coins :(
no.
Quote from: Adamp on September 24, 2012, 12:33:38 PM
tl;dr but imo people should be given prizes based on how many gigas, coins and bs they have acquired and it should range to 0 from the richest person in bc whoever that is so that nobody feels as though its all gone for nothing
i like this but pls dont wipe.
atleast halving everything wouldnt hurt that much
halve gigas,bs,coins
halve the giga,bs,coin item price.
Quote from: cybercjt on September 26, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
halve gigas,bs,coins
halve the giga,bs,coin item price.
make giga gain in all 5 modes 1/20 of what they currently are. ::)
Quote from: Rossbach on September 26, 2012, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: cybercjt on September 26, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
halve gigas,bs,coins
halve the giga,bs,coin item price.
make giga gain in all 5 modes 1/20 of what they currently are. ::)
oyah I forgot that ::)
Keep in mind everyone, we will be reviewing all posts before we even make a decision. Though, we probably aren't going to wipe it completely. We will post updates before anything happens I promise.
Quote from: Santa on September 26, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Keep in mind everyone, we will be reviewing all posts before we even make a decision. Though, we probably aren't going to wipe it completely. We will post updates before anything happens I promise.
inb4 you do what you did with kowbat
sooo
no vote thread???
I don't think so. They'll probably do what they always do. Meet in the middle. Probably just go with a wipe but not ALL the gigas. They'll probably archive it as records like they did for the guild wipe.
add all the gigas in game
divide it by 50
distribute to all
omg idk im just spouting shit.
just do the wipe, give the richest 5 in each category (giga, bs, coin) rare item or something, everyone happy
divide everything by 10
coins/gigas/botstract/exp and coin earn/shop prices
I think it would be a great idea.
WB membership sellers, peeps wasted rl monies you know, and it will like go to waste. i kinda think you should just cut down 25% or 50% of giggas in each account.
Im sorry but if you pay for anything online you are considered a loser and deserve to get all your stuff wiped. I dont agree with paying for virtual items that give you an advantage in game.. *cough* Dark meto, *cough* Jura perm trans. I think its really up to Allie if she wants to wipe it, im all in for it even tho im only a level 117. But as Nuc said, im sure Allie will compromise with evening the gameplay out.
meh sure
lol and how are they supposed to pay the bills and labor ?
Lol donors always say that. Nub just wants OP weapons. Good point, but when you bought a dark meto you probably werent thinking "Its for the good of the server" more along the lines of "im gonna rape so hardcore when i equip this shit"
Quote from: DarkShadow89 on October 03, 2012, 02:47:41 AM
Lol donors always say that. Nub just wants OP weapons. Good point, but when you bought a dark meto you probably werent thinking "Its for the good of the server" more along the lines of "im gonna rape so hardcore when i equip this shit"
Well, it's for both. ::)
I disagree with this even though I dont play as much anymore
Everyone always disagrees when it comes to losing there items. I just dont know if you can ask a whole community of basically 221's if they want to reset all there items. Its ridiculous. No one thinks of what good could come out of it. All they think of is that Dark Meto in there inventory that will be reset. As for me, maybe you should just make all the items that you buy with real money, stay. So that nubs cant rage quit and blame Zylon Gaming for scamming them.
^ Wat. Nobody is saying anything about item reset.
Quote from: DarkShadow89 on October 04, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
Everyone always disagrees when it comes to losing there items. I just dont know if you can ask a whole community of basically 221's if they want to reset all there items. Its ridiculous. No one thinks of what good could come out of it. All they think of is that Dark Meto in there inventory that will be reset. As for me, maybe you should just make all the items that you buy with real money, stay. So that nubs cant rage quit and blame Zylon Gaming for scamming them.
its a reset for currency
as in like coins, gigas, bs
Quote from: DarkShadow89 on October 04, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
Everyone always disagrees when it comes to losing there items. I just dont know if you can ask a whole community of basically 221's if they want to reset all there items. Its ridiculous. No one thinks of what good could come out of it. All they think of is that Dark Meto in there inventory that will be reset. As for me, maybe you should just make all the items that you buy with real money, stay. So that nubs cant rage quit and blame Zylon Gaming for scamming them.
i think they have the right to take it away, didn't they screw players with the ToS?
or is that only for nerfs.
Ohh thats even easier to solve, why dont we just reset all that? Gigas/coins.. thats like... nothing... Thought you guys were gonna wipe EVERYTHING. :o
Quote from: DarkShadow89 on October 05, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
Ohh thats even easier to solve, why dont we just reset all that? Gigas/coins.. thats like... nothing... Thought you guys were gonna wipe EVERYTHING. :o
Yeah you're right, hundreds of billions of gigas/coins is nothing.
It is nothing
Theres so much of it that its completely dropped in value and inflated prices
Well if everyone didnt play this game like it was there crack we wouldnt have a problem with going back to the "Gold Standard" LOL.
Comment removed, can't rephrase it without sounding like an idiot.
Yea i've tried playing (level 117), Its just... I still cant get over the fact that Acclaim got bought out by PlayDom. I hate BoutCheetah compared to the new BOTS!! server (AND ACCLAIM). But no one plays, i'll go on once in a while. Just cant see how most of you guys can stay up forever power leveling and farming gigas/bs/coins.
Hawk: I dont know why you have to post snide remarks in most of your replies, because you're one of my favorite FM's.
Quote from: Allie on September 23, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
We in Zylon Gaming are considering a full economy reset.
What this means is resetting everyone's gigas, coins and bot stract to 0 (excluding 500 gigas).
The shop will be heavily modified, sales prices will be modified to reflect an actually-working economy and all methods of obtaining gigas will be modified for everyone to build back up on.
We understand all the troubles that have been going on lately, but this has been a long time coming, and the stake issue has been a hard hit giving us a reason to finally do this.
We will not if everyone is against it, but please, when telling us your thoughts, consider the well being of the game more so than personal gain. The game needs this.
I'll be doing a Q&A on this in about 20 minutes in-game, whether there's anyone there or not.
WTF. That means the money i spend on my gigas will become 0? HELLO NO IM AGAINST THIS FOR LIFE, its unfair for those that bought gigas using real money, their money would be wasted!