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Hello,my name is Aln and like some of you might know I got banned for glitching (the one which is almost same with hack, but not using any program that can affect the game). I got the ban like 3 weeks ago, after 2 weeks passed I asked GM Max ,the one that banned me,I told him when I get the unban and he said it's up to Allie to check logs to clarify the ban .In this time Prestige guild ,Baggies guild had 2 hackers catched and had logs CHECKED and even all guild. I'm asking you commnity to vote if this is fair to me or not.Thank you, say what you think I won't judge you if you are not with me.
Also i would like to get also staffs oppinion's about this request.
Thanks for understanding.

Aln

Thanks dude for re-making topic for me.

I'll reply in-depth after work.

You were already proven guilty weren't you? The people in Prestige were merely suspected so they were a way more pressing issue. I'm not 100% about this but that's as far as I know.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 06, 2015, 06:28:06 PM
Hello,my name is Aln and like some of you might know I got banned for glitching (the one which is almost same with hack, but not using any program that can affect the game).

Hi Aln,
You abused your knowledge of this game, and abused a glitch which gave you an unfair advantage compared to other people, who play the game fairly.
There's many glitches, and there's a big difference in all of them.
The one you abused, is very comparable with hacking.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 06, 2015, 06:28:06 PM
I got the ban like 3 weeks ago, after 2 weeks passed I asked GM Max ,the one that banned me,I told him when I get the unban and he said it's up to Allie to check logs to clarify the ban.

This is correct.
Your main has been banned for 3 weeks now.
I'm still awaiting reply from Allie, and have asked her repeatedly to check, however, I'm just a GM, so I can not do more than ask and wait.
I don't like how long this is taking, but I also don't care too much, because in the end, you glitched/hacked, in which case, I could personally care less about a possible unban.
NOTE: You will remain banned until Allie gives me the information I need.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 06, 2015, 06:28:06 PM
In this time Prestige guild ,Baggies guild had 2 hackers catched and had logs CHECKED and even all guild.

I was/am very aware of suspects and fingers being pointed, and have also taken action myself, by banning 2 players from the guild Prestige.
However, I do not know anything of logs being checked for any member of Prestige, let alone all members.
Care to tell me who your source to this claim is?

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 06, 2015, 06:28:06 PM
I'm asking you commnity to vote if this is fair to me or not.

Though I don't think anyone should ask the community for their opinion about one's ban, since in my opinion, it's only meant to create more, unnessescary drama, I'll give you my opinion on the whole situation.

You abused a glitch which allowed you to clear maps as fast as hackers do.
You got caught and thus banned.
Now, here comes the interesting part.
Hackers are always permanently banned.
You basically hacked, so you basically deserve a permanent ban.
However, I'm so "kind" to put effort in this situation and made it "my case".
I want to know exactly how many games you hacked and what you did exactly, this is why I asked Allie to check your logs for me.
I will decide on your official ban duration based on what Allie tells me.
Quite frankly, I don't understand why you're making such a fuss about this; In my opinion, you should be glad that I go through all this, because to be honest, you hacked, so you should just be permanently banned, no?

I hope this reply is clear for you to understand Aln, and others who are interested in it, and let it be clear that this is in no way, a personal thing between me and you, even though I'm not sure why one would think that.

Yay for voting. Does this mean i can just spam on bot acc's to make your votes unfair so you stay banned amongst community vote, just like how it was unfair for others for you to think you was smart enough to get away with it by waiting out the time. It's one thing glitching, but another trying to be clever about it and then being caught. But in all honesty this has gone OTT. Can't we just go with the same post we give other people asking why they are banned?

"You're banned. Make a new account." Seems funny though that one would go to all this trouble to help a person who glitches a game to gain advantages, and not help someone who loses items/coins/accounts (i know staff refuse to help people who sell/buy accounts) but honestly it'd be more worthwhile then wasting time on rule breakers.

Quote from: Bubbabear on January 07, 2015, 03:34:56 AM
Seems funny though that one would go through all this trouble

This is what I do.

I Agree With Aln. im sry max but i think it is personally.
it doesnt matter if the glitch he done is "almost" hacking, cuz its not hacking.
in the rules, glitching is 3days, and it doesnt matter wut glitch it is, or wut it does.
he doesnt used any program, well its glitching and not hacking.
I Think that because aln was in Utopia , and max was very angry that he had a glithcer in his guild, he got perm banned.
i heard that his alt banned too.
if he glitched in his alt well I Agree with max(reapting), but i didnt saw any proofs or topic about his alt Glitching.
Roy.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 07, 2015, 05:06:20 AM
I Agree With Aln. im sry max but i think it is personally.
it doesnt matter if the glitch he done is "almost" hacking, cuz its not hacking.
in the rules, glitching is 3days, and it doesnt matter wut glitch it is, or wut it does.
he doesnt used any program, well its glitching and not hacking.
I Think that because aln was in Utopia , and max was very angry that he had a glithcer in his guild, he got perm banned.
i heard that his alt banned too.
if he glitched in his alt well I Agree with max(reapting), but i didnt saw any proofs or topic about his alt Glitching.
Roy.

Max is waiting on proof of the 3 games, wether it be true or not. If it's true = unbanned, false = perm banned.
There is a difference between glitching a little and just abusing. The rule is there, but imagine this powering 100mil xp using the glitch and only getting 3 day ban. To someone who hacks 10 games and gets perm banned? Fair right? nope. So til Max get's the logs checked it's in all right fair til he can match the games with what he thinks should be done. Why you all so impatient, i waited a year got my account back countless times, don't think i've ever been perm banned and it stayed that way.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 07, 2015, 05:06:20 AM
I Agree With Aln. im sry max but i think it is personally.
it doesnt matter if the glitch he done is "almost" hacking, cuz its not hacking.
in the rules, glitching is 3days, and it doesnt matter wut glitch it is, or wut it does.
he doesnt used any program, well its glitching and not hacking.
I Think that because aln was in Utopia , and max was very angry that he had a glithcer in his guild, he got perm banned.
i heard that his alt banned too.
if he glitched in his alt well I Agree with max(reapting), but i didnt saw any proofs or topic about his alt Glitching.
Roy.

I wouldn't even call it glitching. You're changing game files to give yourself a direct advantage over other players. Hacking is 3rd party software giving you a direct advantage over other players. Glitching is exploiting a game mechanic or bug for gain(definitely banworthy)/fun, but fileswapping should be considered the same as hacking imo. If I know the situation correctly (I don't think I do but here's what I know atm) Aln swapped map files to complete the maps faster. That's actually called Hiddenware, not glitching - Hiddenware netted you perm bans in Bots and it's very, very gamebreaking. I would compare Hiddenware to Hacking personally.

Sorry if I'm wrong about it being Hiddenware or not because I'm not familiar with the situation 100%, just noting on what I've heard.

That glitching you talk about Roy meant like running into corners and useless stuff like this. (you need to think with your brain on this one)

I'll give you an advice that will follow you for the rest of your life : don't take someone side if you don't know his past.

if it was like that i agree with you.
but ik when he started glitching and he didnt glitches alot.
its depeneds wut u call alot.
kk maybe not 3days banned , but not perm too.
I Think glitch need be change for 4weeks-month banned, cuz u right, 3days is really low time.
but i think he learned his lesson, and i wasnt was friend with him in those few monthes, i think u know that.
max is right to check his logs, but it should not take so long to do that.
I Think that this situation w'ont have a solution till allie will check the logs.
my point is that alot of ppl are glitched and got 3days banned , and only because its aln they make it a big deal, thats all.

lol i didnt saw yz+godz posts.
yz , if glitching is same like hacking , well u guys(the admins) need to change the rules.
about godz , i really dont know about his past , and maybe u right, that if i knew it, i was changing my mind about him, but i dont know.
btw sry on double posting

No. Other players who exploit gamebreaking glitches are usually banned for a month or more - you won't find a case where they were merely banned for 3 days.

Consistent duping, for example, would get you a longass ban. If Max really did ban Aln just because it was 'personal' then the rest of the staff wouldn't agree with what Max has done so far. But we do agree. We would all do the same or something very similar.

As for this-

Quote from: anaroy50yz , if glitching is same like hacking , well u guys(the admins) need to change the rules.

It's very clear. There is file-editing and harmful glitches that set you well above other players and simple glitches where you glitch to the top of the map in PvP. < That's worth a 3-day ban. Glitching yourself a few million EXP is not a 3-day ban. Nevertheless I'll add some clarity to the rules on glitching, thanks for spotting the oversight. Can ya tell me where it says glitching = 3 day bans? Can't find it.

http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=52674.0 (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=52674.0)
look at standart ban duration.
if the rule is changing to perm banned for glitching , well it was the right thing to do.
I Though glitchers gets 3days ban, if it doesnt right, well i guess ill must to agree with max.
btw , sry for bad grammer in all those posts, my english still very bad  :-\

Yz and I told you this is not like every other glitches.

I earn ban,not perm tho,and after this I didn't say I glitched 3 games like Max said,I didn't say I glitched millions of exp tho,and I think Max took it personally becouse there are alot many more ppl that doing exactly what I did,won't mention them becouse I'm sure Max know almost all of them.

No worries about your grammar mate it's easy to understand. I'm not gonna change the rule to "Glitching = Perm ban" but I might add in stuff like Hiddenware (which it was - not glitching) which is almost equivalent to hacking.

By the way, that thread says that repeating the process can lead to a permanent ban, so it would make sense even if Aln was merely glitching and not using Hiddenware. Again, just speculating half of this to justify Max's decisions.

@Aln well, you were proven I think, unlike any other suspects, and I don't think you'll be perm banned.

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:05:03 AM
No worries about your grammar mate it's easy to understand. I'm not gonna change the rule to "Glitching = Perm ban" but I might add in stuff like Hiddenware (which it was - not glitching) which is almost equivalent to hacking.

By the way, that thread says that repeating the process can lead to a permanent ban, so it would make sense even if Aln was merely glitching and not using Hiddenware. Again, just speculating half of this to justify Max's decisions.

@Aln well, you were proven I think, unlike any other suspects, and I don't think you'll be perm banned.

The big diffrence from glitch,what i did and hacking is that if you hack game gonna have some bugs,bigs or little depends how hack works,when if you glitch game gonna be fine

like i said, this situation have 2sides:
1.max right, cuz really need to check logs and see how much time aln glitched.
2.aln right, cuz alot of ppl do glitches, there 1 that i think every1 in game know he glitching and no1 do with that nothing, and i think all know to who i mean.
the 2sides have right and wrong things in it, and i dont find a fair solution for both sides.

There is a fair solution. If you break the rules and proof is found of it you'll get banned. If we can't find proof you won't get banned until we get proof. It's there in the rules. And as Godz said, it's time to stop comparing Hiddenware with glitching.

kk guys ill just stop replying cuz i have hw, and its endless.
we can continiu arguing more few hours, and it wont help in a thing.
ill just hope the right thing will be done, idk wut it is atm.

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:11:55 AM
There is a fair solution. If you break the rules and proof is found of it you'll get banned. If we can't find proof you won't get banned until we get proof. It's there in the rules. And as Godz said, it's time to stop comparing Hiddenware with glitching.

I'm not comparing,but did you ever asked yourself why hacking is perm ban?I tell you why,hacking will make game have bugs.When Allie made this game and Santa I'm sure they knew there will be a day when ppl will find about this glitch,but still this glitch doesnt affect game as real hacking does.

@Roy As this is in Feedback/Rants I'll leave it open for discussion, it can be as endless as we want it to be.

@Aln Actually hacking is perm. bannable because of the advantage it gives you and nothing more. Hacking a room won't bug out the server itself, you're misinformed on that one. Unless you mean hacks designed to directly target the server, then yeah - either way they're both bannable. Hacking to oneshot mobs and Hiddenware are both tools out of a regular players reach to give access to a lot of advantages. Illegal. Both bannable. Very comparable. Dupe glitches and other gamebreaking bug abuse will always net you lengthy bans in every game out there.

this case is endless because people argues with out thinking

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:20:55 AM
@Roy As this is in Feedback/Rants I'll leave it open for discussion, it can be as endless as we want it to be.

@Aln Actually hacking is perm. bannable because of the advantage it gives you and nothing more. Hacking a room won't bug out the server itself, you're misinformed on that one. Unless you mean hacks designed to directly target the server, then yeah - either way they're both bannable. Hacking to oneshot mobs and Hiddenware are both tools out of a regular players reach to give access to a lot of advantages. Illegal. Both bannable. Very comparable. Dupe glitches and other gamebreaking bug abuse will always net you lengthy bans in every game out there.

I still don't understand how they ban me without any solid proof,like max or you said ppl from Prestige that got banned havent been checked but they are perm banned.From just a report you can't see how many games I did glitched or not and I think my ban should've been started after logs checked ,so like this ill just stay the duration that i earn not alot more,saying this in case if my ban isnt perm.

Well like I said I'm not sure bout all the details on your case. We had proof on the Prestige members hacking though.

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:32:30 AM
Well like I said I'm not sure bout all the details on your case. We had proof on the Prestige members hacking though.

We go back to the first post,how they can check prestige members and they can't check my logs to make a decision?

Because they were suspect and you're supposedly proven guilty, what needs to be checked is how many times you glitched, not whether you did or didn't do it. They were going to keep potentially hacking whereas you weren't in a position to keep breaking any rules.

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:37:22 AM
Because they were suspect and you're supposedly proven guilty, what needs to be checked is how many times you glitched, not whether you did or didn't do it. They were going to keep potentially hacking whereas you weren't in a position to keep breaking any rules.

Alright I understand I'll just wait to make a decision which isn't soon..

I'll try and speed the process up. I really don't think you'll be perm banned either but it might be a bit long.

Quote from: Yz on January 07, 2015, 06:49:38 AM
I'll try and speed the process up. I really don't think you'll be perm banned either but it might be a bit long.

Yeah but max said the 3 weeks will count if my ban isnt perm

yz, just corius.
ur an admin too right? can u check logs too or its just allie can do?

will be able to soon

I've been briefed that aln used hiddenware to quickly complete levels.
That means that aln did not glitch, aln in fact hacked, which for all intensive purposes means to modify the game values (including the files), with or without an external program.
A normal hiddenware does not come under rule 3 (glitching), but rule 11 (hiddenwaring), however since it was used for the purpose of clearing a level, it comes under the same rule as hacking. Which results in a permanent ban.

I'm locking this for now, a final decision will be made when max contacts me about the case. It's highly unlikely aln will be unbanned if there's a single piece of evidence he hiddenwared for map advantage.



Edit: as it's in feedback/rants I'll keep it unlocked as a rant thread, but the decision is final following a discussion with max.

@Yz
@Roy
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@Aln
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@Everyone

Quote from: Allie on January 07, 2015, 09:28:56 AM
I've been briefed that aln used hiddenware to quickly complete levels.
That means that aln did not glitch, aln in fact hacked, which for all intensive purposes means to modify the game values (including the files), with or without an external program.
A normal hiddenware does not come under rule 3 (glitching), but rule 11 (hiddenwaring), however since it was used for the purpose of clearing a level, it comes under the same rule as hacking. Which results in a permanent ban.

And here you have your second admin replying and saying the same I said.
So I hope you all understand how this is NOT a personal fight because he happened to be in Utopia when this incident occured, on the contrary, I'm doing WAY more than I should to help him.

First of all, i think u could say the things in more nicely in the first spoiler, and i think i can tell me opinion well it was kinda hurting.
b4 u attack next time, pls think that I dont know wut u know.
about the second spoiler, i just saw a rule, that saying that glitching is 3days ban.
no deatils on it. wut i understood from it that all glitches is 3days ban. i needed to guess that THIS specific glitch is perm banned?
i just went and read the rules, and thats wut i found.

Quote from: anaroy50 on January 07, 2015, 11:26:29 AM
First of all, i think u could say the things in more nicely in the first spoiler, and i think i can tell me opinion well it was kinda hurting.
b4 u attack next time, pls think that I dont know wut u know.
about the second spoiler, i just saw a rule, that saying that glitching is 3days ban.
no deatils on it. wut i understood from it that all glitches is 3days ban. i needed to guess that THIS specific glitch is perm banned?
i just went and read the rules, and thats wut i found.

Just remember that it's Hiddenware and not a 'specific type of glitch' and that you also accused Max of being bias when you didn't know about the situation. You may feel like he attacked you but this whole thread was more of an attack at Max over a defence for Aln. But es all guuud.

I have nothing to defence myself,ill just quit this,do whatever u feel like.

Quote from: messenger123 on January 07, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
I have nothing to defence myself,ill just quit this,do whatever u feel like.
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There you go he said it himself, no point wasting anymore time.

ok  then   

locked

Quote from: messenger123 on January 07, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
I have nothing to defence myself,ill just quit this,do whatever u feel like.

cool. Spent hours for nothing again.