Being completely active and actually doing anything productive as a mod are two different things eh

Voting system is fine as is, if you have to go back and look to vote, you may have been influenced, it's less likely if you only get one chance; suck it

Quote from: iwasbobo on January 20, 2012, 09:18:34 PM

Quote from: zepher2211 on January 20, 2012, 01:38:31 AMThe fact that there's features that make every map what it is, and that flop is no different, is self evident, I don't need to provide evidence for something you can see, do I o-0

Well then it would appear that we are debating about different things.

Sure, every map has different features, but flop's features make it the ideal PvP map for competitive matches. I won't explain further until you actually decide what we're arguing about. >_>

I'm arguing multiple things, the main point being that saying Flop is the best map for pvp is foolish o-o, anyway I'm bored of this, bleh

where's da like button

Quote from: iwasbobo on January 20, 2012, 01:20:30 AM

Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 10:54:58 PMI didn't ignore anything, your reasons amount to nothing, you listed the positive parts of flop without accounting for it's negative, or the fact that every other map has different features that make it what it is

Tell me a negative, mang. I at least am defending mine with proof, you're just saying "LOL UR WRONG" without providing any evidence.

The fact that there's features that make every map what it is, and that flop is no different, is self evident, I don't need to provide evidence for something you can see, do I o-0

Quote from: Yz on January 19, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
know so much about pvp and so bad at it at same time!!

and O-o a person can be more knowledgeable than any athlete in a sport and not be able to play like they can

Quote from: iwasbobo on January 19, 2012, 07:26:54 PM

Quote from: zepher2211 on January 19, 2012, 06:44:31 PMBut that doesn't make it any different from any other pvp map, it's just the one people get used to, like you said it has it's own obstacles, saying it's the best map for pvp is just having a preference, shouldn't be treated like fact; on top of that other maps contain key elements that make pvping on that map worth it, imo we just have a bunch of republican old players who hate change, so we're stuck on this selection of one boring map

I gave you multiple reasons why flop is the ideal PvP map, you just chose to ignore them. A main one is how it's set up in such a way that running from a trans is still possible.

Give me another map, and I'll tell you why flop is better than it. Maybe that will help. >_>

I didn't ignore anything, your reasons amount to nothing, you listed the positive parts of flop without accounting for it's negative, or the fact that every other map has different features that make it what it is

Quote from: iwasbobo on January 19, 2012, 02:00:10 AM
Flop's set up in a great way, and it has it's own obstacles to overcome. Height differentials - holo has none of this. Generally, on Flop, you want to be above your opponent (other than a few situations or if you're trying to lure them in a particular way). The spacing between jumps is great, i.e. side fence to second highest platform. The many different heights makes it possible to run away from trans, but still difficult, making the meta game prominent, yet not absolutely primary to the point where mastering trans and sucking at everything else can still win you games. Many different opportunities for luring, whereas in holo it's essentially limited to jumping at your opponent, then turning back. Pros and cons for multiple skills, though in holo there are some that are obviously above the rest (not completely overpowered, but definitely gives the advantage.) This one isn't huge, but flop gives the opportunity to differ from breakfall without imminent death. Charge can be deadly if used correctly, although it's a double-edged sword in the way that you can get ground hit. =/

I'll continue if you wish...

But that doesn't make it any different from any other pvp map, it's just the one people get used to, like you said it has it's own obstacles, saying it's the best map for pvp is just having a preference, shouldn't be treated like fact; on top of that other maps contain key elements that make pvping on that map worth it, imo we just have a bunch of republican old players who hate change, so we're stuck on this selection of one boring map

I can see the numbers in strength, prayer, and weight, look out of line with each other

Quote from: Yoshi91 on January 19, 2012, 12:00:27 AM
raw skill = pro @flop. You prove yourself to be a legitimate pvp'er without the interference of that many obstacles, hence the name RAW skill.
"blur" skill = pro @holo. Although you're not entirely great at all the aspect of what makes a pvp'er good at pvp you're still okay at the aspect of acclimating with the obstacles of lag and campingHolo and using it to your advantage.

raw skill also mean you can move with agility that overcome that of your opponent and beat'em. kk i tink i no make sense anymaor. i stop

smh, you restated what the other people said D; I'm not getting it though, is it not raw skill to be able to use every resource to your advantage, especially when those resources are in 75% of the maps o-o

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx

Highlighted the negative part in red

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx

Highlighted the accusation in green, there was no proof so I had nothing to highlight

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx

I highlighted the only part of the post a person needs to read to get the point of the post, since there's nothing more to it


^My point

@Allie: My point is you're wrong, raw pvp skill includes being able to use all parts of bots pvp to your advantage, otherwise you can say, "Well, I'm really good at part of pvp."

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
k ill just ignore everything that's retarded and say your opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to pvp to anyone but yourself okok thx

Just another statement that means nothing at all o-o, more negative stuff to make me look bad, while trying to put yourself in a better light, still doesn't make sense, never has

@Sasuke: I already said that

@Allie: If part of pvp is being able to deal with those obstacles than saying flop is the best map to pvp on is just an excuse to not have to deal with any obstacles, right?

@Tricky: Speaking down means to be condescending, or put someone else's opinion below yours, which I'm not, I'm just stating mine, only to watch idiots say I'm doing something else, like always (that was speaking down) I'm not justifying, or restating what you say, in fact all I did was correct your statement, to say what I was actually doing, you like to put extra info in your favor a lot o-o.

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:20:38 PM
the negative shit does have a little bit of logic and that logic is, if you're a nub at pvp you cant talk down on people who are way better den you about pvp without looking retarded and having an invalid opinion lawl

There's no logic in there, I never spoke down on anyone, I said I lol'd at people who think only fighting on flop is the way to gain skill, not to be mean, because I think that's funny, because it doesn't make any sense O-o; is everything you're saying based solely on me being "average" at pvp o-o

Quote from: Yz on January 18, 2012, 11:10:24 PM
a troll who is known as #1-3 pvper by BC compared to someone bragging about nothing, soz mate u lose dis one

no one cares bout wut im sayin either, u know why? cuz im talking on the most retarded topic of the century lawl

*Random NoSkilled PvPer Comes*: hey guys heres my opinion on pvp that disagrees with people wh oare way more skilled than myself

and everyone else is just liek
nope

You're just posting a bunch of negative shit while claiming to know of other's opinions, I don't get it o-o, sound like a troll to me.

@Sasuke: I've only ever gone against you that many times

@Tricky: When'd we start measuring skill based on random ffa's when "average" people suck