Optionally if you'd rather join the pvp guild because you won't be sectoring regularly just say so in your app

All current members will be considered first, but you seem pretty cool

Alright so I leave for a couple days and the reset everyone saw coming is announced, so here I am to see who will be in Silence's new ranks, only current members of silence may apply, being added to the list is upon my discretion.

If you are a current Silence member who wishes to rejoin after the reset please leave your Silence bot name in a reply.

The List:

1. Muncay
2. MASTER OG ICE
3. Lady Ice
4. OG DORI
5. Baby OG Ice
6. DaRkNesS_1
7. -Tzeshuan-
8. Divine Dragon
9. -OG Rebel-
10. thematic
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

I may decide to designate a new guild specifically for pvpers. Such a guild will be owned by an alt of mine, but I have not decided whether I'm going to do this.

This is a good change, but now I won't be the only one with the flag xD

All these people saying hey to me...

Quote from: Yz on July 03, 2012, 04:15:34 AM
Ice did that for you Muncay.

I do agree on the whole GM Gun thing, if this reset does happen I'll put my GM acc in Zylon Staff -- or I'll stop using my GM Gun at all. (even though we don't really use it for hardcore grinds, so it'd be for assurance)

I don't recall saying otherwise, I said I was the one that requested, but that might have been in a p.m, don't remember

Neither of them worked for me when I tried them recently, were they removed? cause they're still in the @tags list

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noticed this was already reported, sorry

Quote from: GavinGill on July 03, 2012, 01:32:59 AM

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM1. That would work for most people, but there will always be ragers "amg whered all my gp goes??"

If they ask where there GP is, you tell them to check the old rankings, it'll still be there. If they don't like it, that's too bad since the majority of the more informed players don't like the way things are currently being handled.

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM2. I disagree, the competitiveness was only part of the guild system, a huge aspect of it was being in a group of friends whom you can have fun with, and feel as though you've accomplished something as a group. (some guilds have been created for the purpose of not being competitive lol)

You disagree with what? I didn't say that competitiveness is the only reason guilds were added to the game, just that the system was designed with competition in mind. That's why there was such a small guild member limit (10 people), there were GP rankings, GP could be lost, etc. If comradery was the sole focus, there wouldn't have been such an emphasis on the competitive aspects of the guild system.

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 03, 2012, 01:17:41 AM3. Then I must be a god of guild leaders, considering the majority of my members that stayed or left to only come back without me doing a thing to bring them .-.

Ok, not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand but alright.

Quote from: rettknight on July 03, 2012, 01:21:50 AM
That's the reason Gavin also suggested that GMs shouldn't be allowed to be on a guild on their GM accounts.

That was Corr actually.

2. I was disagreeing with competition being the main focus, I believe the social part was the real focus, or else they would have given more weight on gp, such as rewards towards the guilds (thinking about the way other games developers handle it with guild buffs and stuff) as is unless you focus on rankings the only time you'll ever see gp is like a side note in the guild summary thing that some members don't look at lol

3. I was referencing the fact that you said being a guild leader is supposed to take skill such as holding members in your guild, and losing them is penalized by the loss of gp, considering my guilds long running track record with members and gp xD

Quote from: GavinGill on July 02, 2012, 06:05:32 AM

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:30:15 AM
I mean you could do it, but you'd upset a huge portion of the community, I'm saying that if this had been done long ago, it'd work a lot better.

Simple solution: Split GP into season's/sagas/etc. The current GP would go into the ranks as the first season's standings, then we reset everyone's GP and that starts the second season. People would still be able to see their GP from the first season by checking the rankings. It would still be there so there'd be no reason for anyone to be mad about the reset.
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Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
Counter proposal: GP is based on sector, sector is based on amount of time spent on it, and the skill with which you can do it, so shouldn't the principle of the matter be that members have worked for their gp in some form or another, so no matter where they go they shouldn't lose it, lest you say that work never happened

No, that's bull. That defeats the entire purpose of the competitive guild system that was programmed into the game. Quitting a guild is supposed to be a sacrifice, you have to lose something to prevent people from just randomly guild hopping. =/

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 04:09:50 AMI'd point to a game called Pandora Saga as having a guild system that's admirable, all gp gained by members is basically owned by the guild as a whole so no matter who quits the gp remains with the guild. It cuts guild drama/politics a lot because no one needs to fight over members, if a member leaves, then a member leaves, no big deal.

Running a guild is supposed to take skill. Pandora Saga's system doesn't take very much skill at all given your description of it. You're supposed to be able to keep a guild together and only select a loyal few to join you, if you're not able to keep everyone together - you face the consequences. ie. a loss in GP. If there's no penalty for leaving, then there's absolutely no challenge.

When this game was created, it was designed with 5 competitive aspects in mind:

Sector - alive (5/5)

BvB - dead. (4/5 left)

PvP - dead. (3/5 left)

The competitive market/economy -  dead. (2/5 left)

Guilds - dying (1/5 left)

Allie and Redeyes can't expect to maintain a game when only 1/5th of it is left standing. Who's going to want to play a game like that for an extended period of time? There's a reason the playersbase has dwindled down to so little, and it's because their's absolutely no challenge. None. At all. I stopped playing this game for over a year, I came back, and even on my level 10 I'm able to beat people that are over 10 times my level. Not because I'm good, I'm terrible compared to the average BOTS!! Acclaim player atm (rust D:), but because there's no competition here that challenges people to improve.

This entire game was designed with competitiveness at it's core, but it's shit like this that's stripping all that away. B.Cheetah had the potential to be even bigger than the original BOTS!!. We had an active staff team, the updates were player driven, we had total control over the game, etc. Everything was in our favor. But did we last? Nope. We had a large playerbase at the start while the game was competitive but when the game became les and less challenging as the days went by, people got bored and left.

The guild system is one of the few remaining reasons why people still play this game. Ruin that, and this game won't last. Hell, it isn't lasting. If we want to save this game, we need go back to how things were when we all fell in love with BOTS!! and make things challenging again. And fixing the GP issue is the first step.

1. That would work for most people, but there will always be ragers "amg whered all my gp goes??"

2. I disagree, the competitiveness was only part of the guild system, a huge aspect of it was being in a group of friends whom you can have fun with, and feel as though you've accomplished something as a group. (some guilds have been created for the purpose of not being competitive lol)

3. Then I must be a god of guild leaders, considering the majority of my members that stayed or left to only come back without me doing a thing to bring them .-.

On that whole last part I'd have to agree, basically the same thing happened to acclaim, it was just the hackers that dealt the killing blow

I figured FireY would get banned eventually anyway

Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 05:16:57 AM

Quote from: zepher2211 on July 02, 2012, 05:01:03 AM

Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.

Most of bc's success was built of of english/asian player's nostalgia for bots/bout

Yea, and people gotta get over the nostalgia.

It's like asking someone to throw away their childhood memories just because they're moving on to new things lol, they don't need to throw away the memories to move on, they just need to move on. (So sleepy my eyes are blurred I'm going to bed)

/sleep

Quote from: Corr on July 02, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
Nostalgia is one of the strongest feelings to overcome, but sometimes you just gotta get over it.

Most of bc's success was built of of english/asian player's nostalgia for bots/bout

An s2 could be good, as long as the old stuff wasn't complete;y trashed, I'd want memorabilia lol.

Quote from: Scythe on July 02, 2012, 04:19:42 AM

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In-game name: Spiderstar
Main Account or Alt: Main o_o
Bot level: 214
Specialty (Sector, PvP or Base): All around.
Activeness(How many hours a day you're online): 1-2

Soz for not apply earlier was sorta busy

Apply brah :]

Beat Dead Rising today gj Aeon, 3mil GP made so far this weekend x_O

Also great new sig!! Thanks Mete x_O

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Im totally wearing that sig,so you made it?

@Rank GJ for beating DR

@Gifted i have a bladium+7 set if you want to buy

Meteor made it

I mean you could do it, but you'd upset a huge portion of the community, I'm saying that if this had been done long ago, it'd work a lot better.

As for who would own it, no one needs to, let the guild own the gp, then there's a leader of the guild, who may lead the guild and have payed for it, but doesn't technically own it, as anyone can lead the guild if that person leaves. Basically gp would turn into less of just a point system, and more of just proving the legacy behind that guild.