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Why do you feel bad for the homeless?

Started by Expo, September 08, 2011, 02:38:54 AM

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GavinGill

September 14, 2011, 01:21:32 AM #30 Last Edit: September 14, 2011, 01:32:37 AM by GavinGill
Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AM
@Gavin

Am neither insensitive nor "Wholly ignorant"

I feel for other people not a heartless hollow if I choose to saw one sentence that doesn't mean you actually
know enough about me to call me wholly ignorant.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss an entire point as well as you did. That's impressive dude. =/

a. It wasn't directed solely at you
b. lrn2context
c. Ignorant = unaware. You most certainly are unaware of the big picture, as evidenced by your posts.


Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AM
As a 12 year old kid I had about 1.5 k only by my own work
A 12 YEAR OLD KID HAS 1.5 k
Unless you intend to elaborate and specify how you made the money and how you were given the opportunity to make said money, that little tidbit is meaningless.

For example, let's say you made that money by mowing lawns. That would require a lawnmower, something a homeless person wouldn't have. People are more likely to hire a 12 year old looking for a summer job or w/e rather than a ratty-looking homeless person. People are also more likely to trust an eager 12 year old than homeless person. Why? The kid has contact info (address, phone number, etc) if things go wrong, a means of transportation, and they can be held accountable if anything were to go awry. The homeless person? None of the above. For all you know, that homeless person is a desperate junkie (he probably isn't but that's what most people assume when it comes to the homeless). Who would take that risk? Most people would just go with the kid.


Quote from: koolwolf2 on September 09, 2011, 05:38:58 AMI just don't believe that a homeless person is homeless cause it was forced on him
I went to school with a girl named Shilo. I'm not entirely sure what was going on with her but I do know that she was special-needs. Physically, she was fine but it was evident she suffered from some sort of mental disability. She could function like most but you could tell she was a bit off (I'm not sure how I can word that without coming off as an ass). I didn't know her well but I know she had some family issues.

After high school, I didn't see her at all until about two weeks ago. I passed her by while walking home from school (I recently got into a polytechnic university, yay me) but I didn't realize it was Shilo until I was a few feet away. We didn't talk but I could tell from her dishevelled appearance, her ratty clothes, etc that was already on the street.

The chances of her getting off the streets are almost non-existent, the only real chance she has is if someone gives her a lucky break. That's it. It'll be almost impossible for her to make it on her own. Hell, she'll probably wind up in the down-town east-side of Vancouver (an absolute hell hole for the homeless and downtrodden) if she hasn't already and then that's it, game over.

She's not a special case, not by any means, there are thousands upon thousands of homeless people in a similar situation as her. That's just one of many, many examples; it's not as simple as you seem to think it is. It's not as easy trying to get a job and then going from there, there are usually a myriad of complications and obstacles along the way.

"You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today."
"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is
done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves."

iwasbobo

When I went to San Francisco during Easter break, it was for working with the homeless.

Some of them are actually happy with their lives. One guy I met honestly chose to be homeless. He had a job and a house, but decided to lay low. He's still living well on the streets, and with all the soup kitchens in the area he is able to get a decent meal almost always.

That said, he is an extremely lucky/rare case.

As well, homeless people aren't always the ragged, angry people they're made out to be. Another story incoming from SF. I worked at a soup kitchen, and the people that were getting food there were incredibly happy. However, as they reached out with their trays you could see the scars on their arms from needles. These people are still friendly, however they've gotten wrapped up in to the drug scene. Also, people that have been taken off the streets through volunteer workplaces such as soup kitchens often decide to volunteer at those places. They know how hard it is to get off the streets and want to help out in any way they can.

Same soup kitchen. A lady walks in and I start talking to her while I clean up the table beside her. Although I didn't catch all of it because she had a speech impediment, I understood the jyst of it.She had a steady relationship with her boyfriend for 4 years going. However, suddenly her boyfriend said that he needed some money. The only way he would be able to get it was for her to sell her body to other men. Turns out he was a pimp. She's been wrapped up in prostitution now to keep some money for her child.

Also, Gavin's post reminded me of this. Yet again, the same soup kitchen (St. Vincent's, I believe). A regular at this place; I saw a man walk in. He was always talking to himself, and I discovered that he had schizophrenia. It was not at all his fault that he ended up on the streets - his mom abandoned him when he was young and he had no work options. He came up for a glass of lemonade (I was serving drinks at this time), and I decided to say, "hello," to him. Instantly he stopped talking to himself and responded with a, "hey, friend!" with a huge grin on his face. Once again, these people are incredibly friendly. So are the volunteers. If this man wasn't found at the soup kitchen, they would go out looking for him so that they knew he was safe.

This was from two different volunteering places on the same day. We generally worked at 2-3 places per day, and stayed there for a week. I can share waaaayyy more stories if you want.

tl;dr I do feel sorry for the homeless.



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GavinGill

Ya, some places aren't bad for the homeless. I know a guy on another forum who's somewhere in Hawaii and he chooses to be homeless because:

Quote from: PhilosopherStonedIn my case it's the decision that because of my profound lack of social skills, I gain nothing from being employed and having a house (i.e. I'm a social outcast either way) and would rather have the time available to study things that interest me than waste time working to pay taxes to support US Imperialism.

There are tons of Homeless people in Hawai'i. If you can avoid getting pass-out-drunk for the first half of the day (surprisingly hard for many people), it's easy to get signed up for food stamps, go swimming in the ocean to get cleaned off and get in and out of towns so that you're not sleeping on the sidewalk. You can collect recycling in the civilized states to get some spending cash.

If you're not an addict, it can be a pretty good life. I certainly enjoy it much more than I've ever enjoyed working. It's really the first time in my life that I've actually been excited when I wake up in the morning. I lovingly ask myself "what sort of mischief are we going to get into today you stupid, hairy monkey?" The answer? Anything permitted by the laws of physics. I have zero obligations.
*He accesses the web using library computers.*

I'd probably choose to be homeless too (at least for a while) if I lived where he did. Given the city's reputation, I'd imagine San Francisco would be alright too. I wouldn't want to be homeless in my area though, that'd be hell.





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Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand.

kaos555

Quote from: Vortax on September 14, 2011, 02:29:02 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
I gave him the rest of my food from wendys.

The path is open.


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Quote from: kaos555 on September 14, 2011, 02:33:05 AM
Quote from: Vortax on September 14, 2011, 02:29:02 AM
Quote from: kaos555 on September 08, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Other then that, I saw a homeless person on the side of the rode, holding cardboard with the words "i need money" or something similar to that.
Did you give him any ?
I gave him the rest of my food from wendys.
The important thing is that you helped saving a life.  ;D
I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand.

iwasbobo

Quote from: GavinGill on September 14, 2011, 02:25:31 AM
I'd probably choose to be homeless too (at least for a while) if I lived where he did. Given the city's reputation, I'd imagine San Francisco would be alright too. I wouldn't want to be homeless in my area though, that'd be hell.

Depending on where you are in SF. The tenderloin (certain section of the city) is fairly bad, and that's where people start getting screwed up in to drugs.

There and Haight-Ashbury (or something like that). Supposedly where many drugs originated.



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