[Yz]

We want to know how you guys would feel if we halved the gigas in the game. It'd be a massive help towards solving the inflation problem and no one would really lose anything, because all the item values would drop too so you wouldn't have to spend nearly as much to buy things.

Basically, nothing will really change but the amount of what we have and what we sell for. Community opinions?

[Iridion]

"halvcheetah"

[mo9]

/doesn't mind

[Scythe]

+1,easier to count money since some people like pig are bad at math 

[Xkiller712]

+1  but i'm going to miss my gigas :c

[NeoKiller]

So much "future updates" are announced.
I think you guys should release some of the older ones before announcing new ones.

[Allie]

So much "future updates" are announced.
I think you guys should release some of the older ones before announcing new ones.

More than half of them are being worked on, and most of the rest are 15 minute updates.

[colelogan]

it might be hard at first because of how things are sold and how people will still ask the same prices for their rares EX: hallo set right now is arround 300mil fer update it should be 150mil but it wont be so in this case it will set up for the rich becomming richer and the poor even further out of reach of some of those more expensive rares. just a thought

[hawk5005]

How is that gonna help with the inflation if nothing will change. The rich will remain rich and the poor would remain poor.
+1, it's not gonna change anything.

[Materger]

I don't mind, never really had that much gigas anyways lol. 
:>

[Allie]

How is that gonna help with the inflation if nothing will change. The rich will remain rich and the poor would remain poor.
+1, it's not gonna change anything.

Our goal isn't to make the poor richer. It's to deplete the massively inflated giga count. The rich were once poor who worked to become rich; it's in every society to have a rich portion and a poor portion.

[gombo08]

Nooo humpy dont want that to happend but........People wont really change the price of the items though cause they are stubborn...

[Yz]

Nooo humpy dont want that to happend but........People wont really change the price of the items though cause they are stubborn...

Yes they will or they won't be able to buy anything. They'd want to buy stuff for cheaper so they'd also sell things for cheaper >_>

[RedNeon]

idc c:

but how would u know if ppl send their gigas to alt to another alt and so on to keep their gigas

[Zack66775]

idc c:

but how would u know if ppl send their gigas to alt to another alt and so on to keep their gigas

If they halve the amount of gigas total in game then it will halve everything.

btw I like the suggestion.

[RedNeon]

idc c:

but how would u know if ppl send their gigas to alt to another alt and so on to keep their gigas

If they halve the amount of gigas total in game then it will halve everything.

btw I like the suggestion.

lolyea, i misunderstood xDD 

[frog]

where is my nameeeeeeeeeeee?? this is my idea   


btw +1

[Yz]

where is my nameeeeeeeeeeee?? this is my idea   


btw +1

We didn't get the idea from you tho

[frog]

where is my nameeeeeeeeeeee?? this is my idea   


btw +1

We didn't get the idea from you tho

http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,28016.0.html

« on: July 30, 2012, 10:55:58 PM »
Beat That

[Yz]

where is my nameeeeeeeeeeee?? this is my idea   


btw +1

We didn't get the idea from you tho

http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,28016.0.html

« on: July 30, 2012, 10:55:58 PM »
Beat That

I never said it wasn't your idea. I said we didn't get it from you. We thought of it first, just didn't make a thread on it.

[frog]

where is my nameeeeeeeeeeee?? this is my idea   


btw +1

We didn't get the idea from you tho

http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,28016.0.html

« on: July 30, 2012, 10:55:58 PM »
Beat That

I never said it wasn't your idea. I said we didn't get it from you. We thought of it first, just didn't make a thread on it.

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fine 

[KillerPig]

pig currently has 1 mill gigas
after update pig will have 500k gigas.

[RedNeon]

pig currently has 1 mill gigas
after update pig will have 500k gigas.

neon currently has 300 mil gigas
after update neon will have 150 mil gigas
after neon qqing pig will get 1/3 of neon's gigas

[frog]

i got 700m now after update i will be only 350

[RedNeon]

i got 700m now after update i will be only 350

not really a big deal, plus all players' gigas will be halved so does the economy's prices

[lasercut]

erm is it me or does no one notice the major flaw to halving everything.

i.e. player 1 has 2m
player 2 has 200m

both halved.

player 1 lose only 1m
while player 2 loses 100m

this is apparently fair hmm

[Allie]

erm is it me or does no one notice the major flaw to halving everything.

i.e. player 1 has 2m
player 2 has 200m

both halved.

player 1 lose only 1m
while player 2 loses 100m

this is apparently fair hmm

Yessir, because player 1 has a value of 2M, and his value is halved. The value of 1M is now worth what 2M used to be worth. Meanwhile, player 2 has a value of 200M, and his value is halved. The value of 100M is now worth what 200M used to be worth. It just appears a lot more because you're comparing the losses instead of net value -- 2M is a lot less than 200M, and thus due to basic math of multiplication and division, halving it will render a bigger number for 200M. However, if you halve 100 players with 2M, you'll reach the same 200M half, and you'll see that the same amount is being removed, just at a higher scale.

[Jeffalo13]

erm is it me or does no one notice the major flaw to halving everything.

i.e. player 1 has 2m
player 2 has 200m

both halved.

player 1 lose only 1m
while player 2 loses 100m

this is apparently fair hmm

Without Allie's wall of text:

Player 2 will still have 100x more gigas than player 1.  The ratio of their gigas is still the same, 2:200 vs 1:100.

[Allie]

erm is it me or does no one notice the major flaw to halving everything.

i.e. player 1 has 2m
player 2 has 200m

both halved.

player 1 lose only 1m
while player 2 loses 100m

this is apparently fair hmm

Without Allie's wall of text:

Player 2 will still have 100x more gigas than player 1.  The ratio of their gigas is still the same, 2:200 vs 1:100.

The goal was to give him a headache. tl;dr isn't fun.

[HotDoggie]

what if if i have 1 giga?
SPLIT THE GIGA

[Allie]

what if if i have 1 giga?
SPLIT THE GIGA

1/2, round up.
therefore, 1/2 is .5, rounded up is 1.
1=1

[NeoKiller]

so if i make 1 billion accounts and give every of them 1 giga, i'll keep all my gigas

[123bomb123]

so if i make 1 billion accounts and give every of them 1 giga, i'll keep all my gigas

Plus 2.5 trillion gigas. 5k for making an account but then it's halved.

[Nucleaon]

/doesn't mind

[Jeffalo13]

Maybe it's too radical, but I still think keeping only 10% of the gigas would be better.  Prices would then just need a zero taken off the end, rather than needing to be halved.  However, people might freak out when they see such a decrease - which begs the question: would they freak out any more if gigas were decreased by 90% instead of 50%?

Also, are the giga outputs from items/finishing a match going to be cut in half?  Sector definitely should have a decrease equal to that of the gigas in the game, else this inflation will just occur again.

[Jeffalo13]

I like the idea except what will happen to those people who have like under 90mil or under 100m??

What about them?  90mil turns to 45mil at 50% decrease, and 90mil turns to 9mil at 90% decrease (1/10 of the gigas).

[Iridion]

protip halve the gigas then eliminate what generates the inflaction so you dont have to edit gigas for the third time

[RAUDOG]

erm is it me or does no one notice the major flaw to halving everything.

i.e. player 1 has 2m
player 2 has 200m

both halved.

player 1 lose only 1m
while player 2 loses 100m

this is apparently fair hmm

Yessir, because player 1 has a value of 2M, and his value is halved. The value of 1M is now worth what 2M used to be worth. Meanwhile, player 2 has a value of 200M, and his value is halved. The value of 100M is now worth what 200M used to be worth. It just appears a lot more because you're comparing the losses instead of net value -- 2M is a lot less than 200M, and thus due to basic math of multiplication and division, halving it will render a bigger number for 200M. However, if you halve 100 players with 2M, you'll reach the same 200M half, and you'll see that the same amount is being removed, just at a higher scale.

Don't agree with this at all, it's as if your taking what we all had earned through time.
Is this Robin Hood now ?

[Jeffalo13]

^You don't understand.  The value of your gigas stays the same.  The only thing that changes is the amount of gigas in the game.  If you have 100x more gigas now, you will still have 100x more gigas than them after this update.  This is not Robin Hood at all; the only thing that changes are the amounts of gigas, not the ratio.

[Pokeh]

i have 1 mil
allie sells rare gun for 2 mil

after update: i have 500k, allies gun is worth 1 mil

2/1=2, 1/.5=2

the ratio of items is still the same dude

[hawk5005]

Actually Ice is both right and wrong.
He's right because, let's say Ice has 1billion gigas and I have 14mil, after the gigas wipe, he will "lose" half of his gigas, meaning 500mil, while I lose only 7mil. His half isn't equals to mine.
If I want to get back to my "original" amount, I'll have to earn 7mil gigas, which is pretty easy. However, Ice will have to earn 500mil gigas, which isn't easy.
By the time he'll get back to his original amount of gigas, I'd have earned about 30 times my amount.
He's wrong because Robin Hood took the money from the rich and gave it to the poor, while after the wipe, everyone's gigas will be halved.
The ratio between me and Ice will be significantly lower after the update.

[loewe98]

Stil , it feels bad to go from 700 mil to 350 mil...
We worked for that...
:>

[NeoKiller]

Actually Ice is both right and wrong.
He's right because, let's say Ice has 1billion gigas and I have 14mil, after the gigas wipe, he will "lose" half of his gigas, meaning 500mil, while I lose only 7mil. His half isn't equals to mine.
If I want to get back to my "original" amount, I'll have to earn 7mil gigas, which is pretty easy. However, Ice will have to earn 500mil gigas, which isn't easy.
By the time he'll get back to his original amount of gigas, I'd have earned about 30 times my amount.
He's wrong because Robin Hood took the money from the rich and gave it to the poor, while after the wipe, everyone's gigas will be halved.
The ratio between me and Ice will be significantly lower after the update.

And this is why I disapprove with the idea.
Well said grim.  

You can't just ignore the giga inflation problem for years and then suddenly when you realized it come up with the idea to remove 50% of the gigas off the game.
I think it would be better to slowly remove the gigas over a longer time period.
For example, remove 0,5% of the gigas ingame each 3 days or something until 50% of the gigas are gone.
Removing 50% of the gigas ingame from 1 minute to the other seems kind of drastically to me.

[mo9]

didn't think about it the way grim and neo did.
yeah i'll mind of you do it now

[Jeffalo13]

Actually Ice is both right and wrong.
He's right because, let's say Ice has 1billion gigas and I have 14mil, after the gigas wipe, he will "lose" half of his gigas, meaning 500mil, while I lose only 7mil. His half isn't equals to mine.
If I want to get back to my "original" amount, I'll have to earn 7mil gigas, which is pretty easy. However, Ice will have to earn 500mil gigas, which isn't easy.
By the time he'll get back to his original amount of gigas, I'd have earned about 30 times my amount.
He's wrong because Robin Hood took the money from the rich and gave it to the poor, while after the wipe, everyone's gigas will be halved.
The ratio between me and Ice will be significantly lower after the update.

1,000,000,000/14,000,000 = 71.4285714286

500,000,000/7,000,000 = 71.4285714286

Same ratio

Gigas earned from sector woud also be halved.  I see what you're saying, but the only reason it really would affect anyone is if they want to say they have 1bil gigas.  If they love the feeling of saying that, then no worries, they'll be able to now say I have 500mil gigas and it will carry just as much meaning.

[hawk5005]

You didn't take in consideration what I said:

By the time he'll get back to his original amount of gigas, I'd have earned about 30 times my amount.

He needs 500mil to get back to his amount. If we grind at the same speed and earn the same amount, by the time he'll have back his 1bil gigas, I'll have 507mil.
1,000,000,000/14,000,000 = 71.4285714286
500,000,000/7,000,000 = 71.4285714286
100.000.000.000/507.000.000 =1.9723865877712031...
Not same ratio.

[Jeffalo13]

The math doesn't work like that.  Those numbers aren't supposed to be the same ratio.  That 500mil added to both accounts does not show that he lost value in gigas.  If you add 500mil to each account, you are no longer supposed to be talking in ratios.

Let's pretend the gigas aren't halved. 

If both accounts grind at the same speed and each earn 500mil, the ratio is now 1,500,000,000/514,000,000 = 2.91828793774.  Not the same ratio.

You have to multiply each amount of gigas by a constant to get the same ratio, not add the same number to both if you want the same ratio.


And you meant 1,000,000,000/507,000,000 = 1.97238658777.

[Pokeh]

thanks for that edit jeff.

and @ the ratio thing; ya someone who has 100 mil will lose more than someone with 14 mil; but it'll be harder to get gigas and the 50 mil will still be valued more than the 7 mil. To get from 7 mil to 50 mil will take the exact same time (if not longer if allie decides to lower gigas rates in sector.) as it did to get from 14 mil to 100 mil.

Don't think of it as "oh were losing this much gigas"; since everyone's going down by a certain ratio, and 50 mil doesn't sound like much now but it will sound like a lot after this ratio thing because everyone else will have half their gigas and it'll be harder to get.

[KillerPig]

kawk wat math are you doing lol

[mo9]

i don't see anything wrong with have a trillion gigas
sure the 0's are annoying , but this built up over quite a bit of time
it's not like we suddenly realized there are too many gigas
keep them the same , just fix the rates >_>

EDIT:
fixed rates will be unfair too cause old people had a better rates = more gigas
which means a reset is the only fair thing

[hawk5005]

kawk wat math are you doing lol

I have no idea.
I knew something was off the first time I posted it, I just didn't realize what.
Maths are hard @_@.

[iwasbobo]

Hawk's right. It's not 100% equal, unless the rate of earning gigas is also halved.

[Jeffalo13]

Hawk's right. It's not 100% equal, unless the rate of earning gigas is also halved.

I thought we all agreed on that.

[iwasbobo]

i skimmed thread.

[KillerPig]

uh wat
thatd be unfair

[Jeffalo13]

I say YES YES YES YES YES to this.....EXCEPT: I think that people with 50mil gigas and lower should not get there gigas halved

/pretend has 1bil gigas

/trades to 20 accounts, 50mil a piece

/still has 1bil

[saller123]

How is that gonna help with the inflation if nothing will change. The rich will remain rich and the poor would remain poor.
+1, it's not gonna change anything.

People like you are allowed to vote the president, by analyzing the state's economy ?
YOU will still get the same gigas from sectoring, so it will be easier for the poor to get richer.Daaah.

If you do this, I will lose 100k, while other people will lose billions.It is NOT fair, as I will still receive the same gigas from sectoring.It will be easier for me to get reach than it was for them in the pass.If you also decrease the gigas drop rate, there will be NO difference at all.

[hawk5005]

How is that gonna help with the inflation if nothing will change. The rich will remain rich and the poor would remain poor.
+1, it's not gonna change anything.

People like you are allowed to vote the president, by analyzing the state's economy ?
YOU will still get the same gigas from sectoring, so it will be easier for the poor to get richer.Daaah.

If you do this, I will lose 100k, while other people will lose billions.It is NOT fair, as I will still receive the same gigas from sectoring.It will be easier for me to get reach than it was for them in the pass.If you also decrease the gigas drop rate, there will be NO difference at all.

I thought we already figured that out just a few post above yours.
Also, "People like you are allowed to vote the president, by analyzing the state's economy ? ", what?

[ReSigNeRs]

Disagree.

[showman13]

Game seems fine to me 

[Jeffalo13]

Disagree.

Please elaborate...

[ReSigNeRs]

Whats elaborate?

[NeoKiller]

Whats elaborate?

gawd just use google translate instead of asking here
he basically wants you to explain your opinion.

[ReSigNeRs]

Whats google transfer either >_>


btw it just unfair we collected that many gigas and its gone 50% of em

[RedNeon]

LOL GOOGLE TRANSFER!!!

he meant google translate lmaoamlaomlmaolam

[NeoKiller]

LOL GOOGLE TRANSFER!!!

idk how that happened, guess my lil sister distracted me   

[HotDoggie]

If i sell something that used to be for 1000 gigas,
will it sell for 1k or 0.5k if this happens?

[KillerPig]

all prices will be reduced by half

so ya. 500 instead of 1k

[Jeffalo13]

If i sell something that used to be for 1000 gigas,
will it sell for 1k or 0.5k if this happens?

EVERYTHING will be halved.  The amount of gigas, the amount earned, the amount things sell for, everything. 

[HotDoggie]

why not divide everything by 10
its just like removing 1 digit

[Blessed]

ez fix delete all gigas DO ET!!!

[KillerPig]

ez fix? child are you on crack?

just halve gigas pls. anyone against it doesnt know what theyre talking about/ just want to appear to have a lot of gigas

[Yz]

ez fix? child are you on crack?

just halve gigas pls. anyone against it doesnt know what theyre talking about/ just want to appear to have a lot of gigas

This is my opinion and if you have a different opinion you are wrong and you don't know anything

[KillerPig]

wat no
havent u noticed that everyone on this thread who is against it has no idea what theyre talking about

[Yz]

I'm kinda against it because people with loads of gigas lose a massive amt of money they worked ages to get and someone who didn't work ages would only lose like 50mil or something xD

[KillerPig]

Basically, nothing will really change but the amount of what we have and what we sell for. Community opinions?

[Blessed]

ez fix? child are you on crack?

just halve gigas pls. anyone against it doesnt know what theyre talking about/ just want to appear to have a lot of gigas

child? lolk... anyways I was just kidding I don't even play the game let alone care about the currency problems.

[Yz]

Basically, nothing will really change but the amount of what we have and what we sell for. Community opinions?

Some lose more than others.

[KillerPig]

not if everything gigs related is halved

[Iridion]

after the wipe rich people will have the same value of gigas, just in a smaller amount of gigas

its like now usa decided to wipe dollars and after the wipe you can buy 2 hotdogs with 1 dollar instad of one

[NeoKiller]

after the wipe rich people will have the same value of gigas, just in a smaller amount of gigas

its like now usa decided to wipe dollars and after the wipe you can buy 2 hotdogs with 1 dollar instad of one

loool beast comparison 

[loewe98]

I want to keep my gigs D= !

[hawk5005]

its like now usa decided to wipe dollars and after the wipe you can buy 2 hotdogs with 1 dollar instad of one

1 dollar instead of 1?
one dollar instead of one?

[zcnmashleu]

Questions about this update.
1- Why would sellers sell their items at half the price after the update when they can gain more value by selling the item at the original price(the price before the update)?

If it is because buyers are too poor to match the old price after the update, then wouldn't it mean that the update is not very effective? since the buyer was already poor before the update and his amount of gigas deducted was not significant.

2-If the buyers are still rich enough to be able to pay for the original price after the update, what is stopping the seller from selling the item at the original price after the update?

Just needed some clarification.

[ZxEnvyxZ]

Not really a problem but then again it would mean 100m = 50m and that makes it look bad, 100m looks way better...

[spiderstar]

I'm kinda against it because people with loads of gigas lose a massive amt of money they worked ages to get and someone who didn't work ages would only lose like 50mil or something xD

This.

I'm neutral to it but I feel like people would rage if the gigas were halved. 

[ghostkid17]

I'm not sure if this will work unless max cash was split. Say someone had max cash after update that would compare to 2x max cash before. So basically it would put more gigas into the game on my opinion

[HyperShadic6]

Stop spamming please.

[Dillh]

Stop spamming please.

lol it's a spam bot.

[rettknight]

If it doesn't really change anything I don't see why to do this.
But since we're not getting a disadvantage or something I'll agree to this.
Allie must have a reason to do this, so why not.

[Xkiller712]

Tbh idgaf.  In the end it's the same thing.  I'd just leave it like it is, otherwise it's just a waste of time...

[mattps3]

leave as is, prices wont go down people will just stay greedy

[xbaras]

I don't support, even if everything is going to be the same afterwards; I used to love looking at my many millions of gigas.

Just my opinion.