[ZeroUH]

Feel free to discuss about this: http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=35077.msg334862;topicseen#new

[Allie]

god, lets discuss about your apparent authority to start a new abbreviation. it took a long 6 minutes to determine what the **** FWS meant.

[Fat Matt]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again since my other question was removed.

What are the cons of being on the "black list" besides your "dirt name"?

[123bomb123]

who's gonna be first on the black list?

I'm not.

[KillerPig]

god, lets discuss about your apparent authority to start a new abbreviation. it took a long 6 minutes to determine what the **** FWS meant.

click link and it says forum warning system???

[Cooky]

what section is it in? I cant click the link on my phone and i tried finding it but couldnt

[Selene]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again since my other question was removed.

What are the cons of being on the "black list" besides your "dirt name"?

It means that you have been warned before and we are keeping an eye on you.

The "black list" isn't up yet as I haven't had a chance to make it. You won't be able to see it though, only staff.

Zero and I made this topic because we want to make this community better and more professional.

[Fat Matt]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again since my other question was removed.

What are the cons of being on the "black list" besides your "dirt name"?

It means that you have been warned before and we are keeping an eye on you.

The "black list" isn't up yet as I haven't had a chance to make it. You won't be able to see it though, only staff.

Zero and I made this topic because we want to make this community better and more professional.

Ah ok.. so once your lesson is learned you'll still be on the blacklist, but dont have to look at that green circle

[Selene]

Ok, I guess I'll ask again since my other question was removed.

What are the cons of being on the "black list" besides your "dirt name"?

It means that you have been warned before and we are keeping an eye on you.

The "black list" isn't up yet as I haven't had a chance to make it. You won't be able to see it though, only staff.

Zero and I made this topic because we want to make this community better and more professional.

Ah ok.. so once your lesson is learned you'll still be on the blacklist, but dont have to look at that green circle

Correct.

[Cooky]

no one answered my simple question

[ZeroUH]

what section is it in? I cant click the link on my phone and i tried finding it but couldnt

Important Information


@Matt: the black list works as personal historic. For exemple, you got warned because you flamed someone. You got warned, time passed and we removed your green dot. If you do it again, we can moderate, or mute, or maybe ban... it will deppends of the case. Maybe it's a little harsh but it will help. People won't get in trouble that much anymore.

[Cooky]

ok thanks zero i read it, seems pretty interesting. It shouldnt effect me that much anyway so as long as it prevents people from breaking rules its a good thing i suppose

[Selene]

Updated: small change.

[leapman]

I wanna stay on black list.

[KillerPig]

focus on making the game and staff more professional first damn

[Yz]

all for it but it's not making the community more professional it's making it more organized.

dammit selene.

[Xx Itz Ian]

focus on making the game and staff more professional first damn

Blacklisted.

Still seems to be a much time consuming job, it should be automated.

[NeoKiller]

Do only people who will be warned from this day on get on the black list or everyone who's been warned so far, too ?

[ZeroUH]

Do only people who will be warned from this day on get on the black list or everyone who's been warned so far, too ?

It will start from today.

[Selene]

all for it but it's not making the community more professional it's making it more organized.

dammit selene.

Making it more organized = more professional.

[Cooky]

i kinda disagree with that logic selene. Something profesional is usually organized, yes, but just because something is organized doesnt mean its profesional

[Yz]

no that not what it =. sorry.

it means we have an organized layout with the community, what the staff is doing is professional.

a community can hardly be even classed professional and a staff decision doesn't make a community professional. lawl

that's like saying customers are more professional at a grocery store because the employees hand out receipts. the employees are being organized, it doesn't make the customers professional.

professional is being good at your job (all around) so in no way could the community possibly be professional from a staff decision

[Yz]

Oh my gosh..... my hero 

I'm not going to blast anyone out in particular but I just want to say what tricky said in my own words:

Just because you "think" or "feel" in your own "opinion" that making a change to the Fourm and putting a Warning System into it is going to make a community better does not mean it will make the community better. Your only opinion is not the decider of what makes a coummunity organized/professional. What the... who are you to even say that. >.> I do not even fourm much but even I do not like this idea due to opinionzed reasons. And because no matter how hard you try to argue with this, there is one fact that you cannot change.:

You cannot force people to change, no matter what you do. They change on their own willpower and or decsion on what their hearts truly choose what path to follow and that decsion is based on them only and them alone. Absolutely NOT when you "THINK" or "FEEL" the person has changed and or learned his lesson. They learn their own lessons due to what they do to themselves. Trying to organize a community is similar to trying to make a community to be put in their place due to what you think is right for them.

In a way I'm seeing this go through due to the staff's reasoning this could actually turn out to be a horrible idea. Doing decsions based on yourself's idea or a few people's opinion and or point of view(barley without any of the community involved)= A horrible idea and dictatorship most of it backfires grimly. Doing a decsions based on everyone's point of view and opinions together in your own community and what they strongly think is right or wrong based on your own idea= A sexy and successful plan and mostly everyone loves it.

Not getting into politics but this can be either Communisim or Free Enterprise. Choose wisley my staff. >.> <.<

what you and i said are completely different things xD

i said it's impossible for a community to be professional, as the words do not tie in.

[Allie]

Oh my gosh..... my hero 

I'm not going to blast anyone out in particular but.....

Just because you "think" or "feel" in your own "opinion" that making a change to the Fourm and putting a Warning System into it is going to make a community better does not mean it will make the community better. Your only opinion is not the decider of what makes a coummunity organized/professional. What the... who are you to even say that. >.> I do not even fourm much but even I do not like this idea due to opinionzed reasons. And because no matter how hard you try to argue with this, there is one fact that you cannot change.:

You cannot force people to change, no matter what you do. They change on their own willpower and or decsion on what their hearts truly choose what path to follow and that decsion is based on them only and them alone. Absolutely NOT when you "THINK" or "FEEL" the person has changed and or learned his lesson. They learn their own lessons due to what they do to themselves. Trying to organize a community is similar to trying to make a community to be put in their place due to what you think is right for them.

In a way I'm seeing this go through due to the staff's reasoning this could actually turn out to be a horrible idea. Doing decsions based on yourself's idea or a few people's opinion and or point of view(barley without any of the community involved)= A horrible idea and dictatorship most of it backfires grimly. Doing a decsions based on everyone's point of view and opinions together in your own community and what they strongly think is right or wrong based on your own idea= A sexy and successful plan and mostly everyone loves it.

Not getting into politics but this can be either Communisim or Free Enterprise. Choose wisley my staff. >.> <.<

cant tell whether joke or srs, if srs i request you leave thread because you didnt read it

[Yz]

aint dat wut ur doin.

[Cooky]

You finally talk to me and it's an attack :/ I did read the thread you may not understand it but there's no need to cause drama....

lol you think Allie 'attacked' you? u aint seen nothin

at least she keeps it real tho

[Allie]

being honest and attacking someone is two different things. your wall of text is 100% irrelevant (spam) and this decision to have a black list is all but a close-to-dictatorship judgement. if i wanted to attack you, I would, and you'd know I attacked you.
thx

[Allie]

who are you to call your post relevant
no im rly quite serious

[Allie]

going to bed bye

[Yz]

Goodnight. 

stay on topic

[Purple]

Trying to make a community "professional" is retarded as **** lol. One reason is because it's impossible. The community as a whole will never be professional and there's no good reason the community should be.

[Purple]

Could not have said those words better :/

Hello Code <3

im asmit not code. Don't you read sigs?

[Xx Itz Ian]

going to bed bye

off-topic

blacklist pls

OT: why not give us the right to see the blacklist? i would love to see who's on there.

[ZeroUH]

going to bed bye

off-topic

blacklist pls

OT: why not give us the right to see the blacklist? i would love to see who's on there.

Everyone who gets a green dot from now will be on the list.

[Purple]

going to bed bye

off-topic

blacklist pls

OT: why not give us the right to see the blacklist? i would love to see who's on there.

Everyone who gets a green dot from now will be on the list.

So if we want to know who's on the list we have to keep track of every forum user to ever post starting today? It'd be a lot more community friendly if you just made the list public.

[hawk5005]

What's the point of you knowing who is on the black list?
It is enough for us to know.

[Xx Itz Ian]

why shouldn't we know?

[hawk5005]

You're answering my question with a question.
Give us a legit reason, not a retarded one else nothing will happen.

[ZeroUH]

why shouldn't we know?

Why should we let you guys know?

[Purple]

So that people can check to see if they're on it or not. If someone gets warned today, and a year or two years from now gets in trouble again he cant say he forgot he was on the list.

[Selene]

Took me forever to make the "black list". Just finished like 5 minutes ago.

[Cooky]

Took me forever to make the "black list". Just finished like 5 minutes ago.

but I thought it was starting yesterday... there have been a lot of blacklisted people in just 1 day?

Everyone who gets a green dot from now will be on the list.

[Cooky]

Zero said

Everyone who gets a green dot from now will be on the list.

but you just said it took you forever to make the blacklist, why would it take so long, its only been one day.. I doubt that many people have been warned in 1 day.

[Selene]

Zero said

Everyone who gets a green dot from now will be on the list.

but you just said it took you forever to make the blacklist, why would it take so long, its only been one day.. I doubt that many people have been warned in 1 day.

I made the black list. If people get warned they will be added to the list.

It took me a long time.

[Cooky]

I made the black list. If people get warned they will be added to the list.

It took me a long time.

By saying it took a long time you are implying that there was lots of people to add to the list but the list was supposed to start yesterday, and I know there surely couldnt have been that many warned people in 1 day to warrant it 'taking a long time' . I dont understand... why would it have taken a long time?

[Selene]

I made the black list. If people get warned they will be added to the list.

It took me a long time.

By saying it took a long time you are implying that there was lots of people to add to the list but the list was supposed to start yesterday, and I know there surely couldnt have been that many warned people in 1 day to warrant it 'taking a long time' . I dont understand... why would it have taken a long time?

It explains how the black list works and how you should take action before warning and moderating. If you saw the topic you would understand.

[Purple]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

[Selene]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

Why do you want to see who is on the black list? When you see someone who is warned you know he/she is on the black list.

[Cooky]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

Why do you want to see who is on the black list? When you see someone who is warned you know he/she is on the black list.

the same could be said:

Why do you want to hide the black list?

[KillerPig]

just show it omfg

making everything so unnecessarily complicated

[Rossbach]

just show it omfg

making everything so unnecessarily complicated

They believe it is professional to hide things from the public. Anyways, lets see how long this "FWS" will work for. 

[Selene]

just show it omfg

making everything so unnecessarily complicated

They believe it is professional to hide things from the public. Anyways, lets see how long this "FWS" will work for. 

Long time.

[KillerPig]

sounds like another idea thats gonna fall flat but lets just see

heheheheheheeh

[Purple]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

Why do you want to see who is on the black list? When you see someone who is warned you know he/she is on the black list.

I'm sorry that not everyone may have a perfect memory. Can you remember EVERYONE who was warned within the past 2 years? Let's say this "FWS" project actually lasts, how can you expect people to remember that they've been warned 1-2 years ago? You just can't. That means that they could use "I didn't remember that I got put on the black list" as an excuse, and you would have no way to prove that they actually did remember. I actually can't believe you couldn't figure this out on your own.

[Cooky]

Im just not understanding one thing..

The counter arguement to 'this is stupid, u should make the list public' is 'if you want to see who is on the list its easy just look at who gets warnings'... but.. if it is easy and anyone can just see who gets warnings.. then why bother making it private? Thats like saying your making a list of all the days it rains but making it private.. whats the point? What is there to hide? If someone wanted to they could just keep track of all the days it rains, but that would be a huge hassle. All this does is make an inconvenience for users on the forum.

[Rossbach]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

Why do you want to see who is on the black list? When you see someone who is warned you know he/she is on the black list.

I'm sorry that not everyone may have a perfect memory. Can you remember EVERYONE who was warned within the past 2 years? Let's say this "FWS" project actually lasts, how can you expect people to remember that they've been warned 1-2 years ago? You just can't. That means that they could use "I didn't remember that I got put on the black list" as an excuse, and you would have no way to prove that they actually did remember. I actually can't believe you couldn't figure this out on your own.

They simply will say that is not an excuse. Ross can see someone getting warned 3 times for going off topic, then 5 years latter that person goes off topic again and gets muted, because the staff noticed that person already got 3 warnings according from what was noted in the blacklist.

sounds like another idea thats gonna fall flat but lets just see

heheheheheheeh

Just because Ross said; "anyways, lets see how long this "FWS" will work for," this pops up.  

[Purple]

I can't help but notice there was no response to my statement, I assume that means that you're either waiting for allie to post why my reasoning is invalid or you just have no counter argument. Either way, make black list public please.

Why do you want to see who is on the black list? When you see someone who is warned you know he/she is on the black list.

I'm sorry that not everyone may have a perfect memory. Can you remember EVERYONE who was warned within the past 2 years? Let's say this "FWS" project actually lasts, how can you expect people to remember that they've been warned 1-2 years ago? You just can't. That means that they could use "I didn't remember that I got put on the black list" as an excuse, and you would have no way to prove that they actually did remember. I actually can't believe you couldn't figure this out on your own.

They simply will say that is not an excuse. Ross can see someone getting warned 3 times for going off topic, then 5 years latter that person goes off topic again and gets muted, because the staff noticed that person already got 3 warnings from the blacklist.

sounds like another idea thats gonna fall flat but lets just see

heheheheheheeh

Just because Ross said; "anyways, lets see how long this "FWS" will work for," this pops up.  

If they actually just said "that's not an excuse" I would give the forum community less then 2 years before it became non-existent.

[Selene]

If they haven't been on for a long time we would not mute them. The warnings would start all over again.

K so I decided to make it public. Give me at least 10 minutes though.

[Rossbach]

Just to note, adding a new "FWS," will not help staff crack down on rule breakers. People will still go off-topic and staff will not notice it like always, letting that person get away. Plus the fact that they may warn a person more than the times they stated in the "FWS" topic. (Someone gets 2 verbal warnings.)  If staff want this to work, start cracking down on the  rule breakers like the report a rule breaker section. That section is getting over-moderated, while the other sections are getting under-moderated.  

If they haven't been on for a long time we would not mute them. The warnings would start all over again.

Then it is the exact same as before. A person can get warned, show they learned, get un-warned, wait it out for a bit, then go break it again. According to what you said, even if they got warned before, after a amount of time the warnings will start over. This is the exact same as the old system, except it won't be for only 3 days.

[Selene]

So I removed the "Black list" from "Report Discussions" in staff section and the two topics in "Important information".


For now on when we staff think you have learned your lesson we will remove your warning, mute or moderation.


Sorry.

[Rossbach]

So I removed the "Black list" from "Report Discussions" in staff section and the two topics in "Important information".


For now on when we staff think you have learned your lesson we will remove your warning, mute or moderation.


Sorry.

How will you know someone has learned their lesson if they were muted?   Staff will probably forget about some people and leave them with their warning / moderation/ muted. Plus there will probably be some biased feelings in the time it takes staff members to feel like someone should have their warning, ect taken off. Also note the post Ross made before your post. It is the exact same, the only difference(s) is, there is a list, staff have more control over people, people will have their warning, ect for a longer amount of time, and there will most likely be (even if you say there will not be) biased staff decisions.  


Personally, no staff member can just guess or know when the person has learned their lesson. It is not like you can read their mind, and they may just act and be nice and show a change until they get un-warned, ect.   Just because someone goes to jail does not mean they are not going to break the law again after they get out, unless it is detective Conan and they admit what they did was wrong before they even go to jail.

[ZeroUH]

This community has changed a lot since I left at April. 

[Allie]

It has been administratively decided it will not be public. Publicly showing rule breakers of all time is not morally condoned by me and my administration. Your time of warning will be duly noted and you will not be punished for something you did years ago (though most players don't stay for multiple years).