[123bomb123]

Basically, take every single item with speed on it and cut it down like 20%.

That's all and you know why it's needed.

[KillerPig]

Yes very nice

+1 pls

[123bomb123]

Yes very nice

+1 pls

hx pig i appreciate |:}}}}

[LightRequiem]

i want more speed

You're so cool, I'll give you a green dot!

Sexy babe

[hawk5005]

Nope.

[MasterMerc]

+1 very g00d idea here pls pls pls )

[123bomb123]

If you are annoyed with the speed, put Bot speed tag on. everyone will be same speed.

Then make the other bot types more powerful? Wow, great idea.

Nope.

Responding with "no" isn't saying anything. At least put in why..

[123bomb123]

-idiot-

God damnit wtf.

When you add speed-tag it applies to each bot type. When you have a different type to Surge. They are more powerful because Surges are speed and evade. When you give speed to everyone, now a Surge has only evade, Rams have tg/speed/sp and Patches have td/ta/speed. Do you not understand..?

[123bomb123]

You can't bring patches into it because they suck at pvp in general.

Rams, however, have the same jump attack at surges (which is all anyone ever uses) in pvp.

Rams have a bigger jump attack range

Surges have evade still so it beats rams

Do you know what evade lock is?

You can also block glitch transed opponents.

Any bot type can block glitch..

Speed is mainly for running away which you do not need to do if you know how to fight transed opponents

What idiot -without TD - fights transed opponents instead of running.

I have seen 172's do more damage than taken to transed opponents.

TD max.

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Half your points add no strength to your side. You just state irrelevant facts that don't matter. Speed is excessive and can go up to like 1850+, why is it a problem to nerf it? It'll make the game more balanced for other bot types..

[mo9]

Yes very nice

+1 pls

[123bomb123]

I'M NOT TAKING AWAY THEIR SPEED I'M NERFING IT.

IE. MAKING IT LOWER.


HOLY.

[Purple]

lol Z about to break his pc

+1

[Rossbach]

-1, why? Gotta go fast, Ross is all about speed.  

[123bomb123]

-1, why? Gotta go fast, Ross is all about speed.  

:/

[123bomb123]

I think your a tad bit upset? Anyways nerfing it is pointless. If you want to solve many more problems than speed, get rid of tier 3. It ruins the game and will be the same as nerfing the speed.

I think you're a tad bit retarded? It's not pointless it helps PvP and makes surges less OP. Taking one set won't do jack shit and it's not the same as nerfing EVERY speed item.

You need to gtfo of this thread because you're just being idiotic and not stating anything that's truly objecting it. Just like how you do in all your 'debates' so, really gtfo I don't need your opinion - which nobody gives a **** about - spamming pages.

[Pokeh]

yeah and allow non-members to have ~the same speed as members. don't make speed such a huge gap, but focus on other stats if you really have to for member benefits.

[Nucleaon]

-1, why? Gotta go fast, Ross is all about speed. 

This is probably gonna be the reason why speed isn't gonna get nerfed.

Imo it should, peeps are too damn fast I.E. Ross, it gest very annoying. a full speed surge could be as fast as Kyura, (give or take like 200 speed.)

[Epic xD]

Ya, it's so obvious that speed is OP. Here are my suggestions:

1) Wings should give 65 speed, not 145.
2) Cut the speed given by surge bodies and other items by 10-20%.

This way, surges are still fast, but it isn't as ridiculous.

[Yz]

+1, been saying this for years

Laxus must not be reading properly today coz he's waaaay in the wrong cbf getting into it tho

[Epic xD]

whats cbf? and speed isn't that bad omg.

Alright, you're saying that speed isn't bad because speed isn't bad. That's some great logic, bro.

[123bomb123]

whats cbf? and speed isn't that bad omg.

Alright, you're saying that speed isn't bad because speed isn't bad. That's some great logic, bro.

All I said was speed isn't that bad. Referring to surges speed atm not horrible. Maybe a slight degrade but not nerfing every single speed item.

plz stop. rlly, just don't post in this thread.

[Yz]

whats cbf? and speed isn't that bad omg.

Alright, you're saying that speed isn't bad because speed isn't bad. That's some great logic, bro.

All I said was speed isn't that bad. Referring to surges speed atm not horrible. Maybe a slight degrade but not nerfing every single speed item.

plz stop. rlly, just don't post in this thread.

No I'll keep posting. If you didn't flame earlier and lose your **** maybe I would stop.

stop. you're turning it from a debate into a bitch fit, so no more posting unless it's constructive.

and "it's a bad idea" isn't constructive btw

[hawk5005]

Nope.

Responding with "no" isn't saying anything. At least put in why..

I say no because I'm a biased surge user and even if I barely play I still enjoy my speed which is the only reason I don't constantly lose in holo or in any other games against always transed rams (and if they have kow/ white-super-mega-hitbox-ninja the speed does't even make a difference anymore). I'm not even taking patches in consideration because rarely anyone plays with patch, and if they do they camp 24/7 with upper, and even with 20% speed nerf they would still camp.

[matan124]

+1

Make the max speed 1700~1600 instead of 1850 and take it all from the body and not items because it will hurt their value, tho you can take some from the wings.

[qolderman]

+1

[Eat4two]

Yes, PvP & BvB needs to be more balanced, I support your idea Z.

[Madprox]

Noooo mai speed

[Cooky]

If you are annoyed with the speed, put Bot speed tag on. everyone will be same speed.

I knew someone would say this 

that's for pvp/base only..


anyway I think its a good idea I think it would better balance the game but people will be mad over it who liked being so fast

[mo9]

i feel your pain z

[mo9]

whats cbf? and speed isn't that bad omg.

it is tho 

[KillerPig]

Nanak ur bad pls

dont listen to people who don't know what they're talking about (Nanak)

[KillerPig]

Nope.

Responding with "no" isn't saying anything. At least put in why..

I say no because I'm a biased surge user and even if I barely play I still enjoy my speed which is the only reason I don't constantly lose in holo or in any other games against always transed rams (and if they have kow/ white-super-mega-hitbox-ninja the speed does't even make a difference anymore). I'm not even taking patches in consideration because rarely anyone plays with patch, and if they do they camp 24/7 with upper, and even with 20% speed nerf they would still camp.

wow ur bad

just nerf speed

[123bomb123]

Yz, pls make it happen.

[123bomb123]

bump

[MagicXR]

+1

[ghostkid17]

+1, max speed is like 1900+ or so, that's too much.

[ghostkid17]

+1, max speed is like 1900+ or so, that's too much.

1850*

Santa shoulder 28
Rudolf 28
Base 1000
S ef 93
Halloween trans 85
Tier 3 427
Meto wings 165
+Member flags 150
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   1976
As I said, too much.

[Rossbach]

If you are annoyed with the speed, put Bot speed tag on. everyone will be same speed.

I knew someone would say this  

that's for pvp/base only..

What is wrong with having speed for Sector? Besides surges are only good at speed running the lower lv maps, the higher lv maps are all about ram combing, and the new 1p/8p modes have some use for Patches.  



1976 speed is that that much, especially considering you would have to wear hallo trans which is no good for PvP, and rudolf/santa is expensive, and the stats are not as good as +4 shield/shoulder, same can be considered with the EF. If you can't handle that much speed then =/ sigh. BOTS!! max speed was around 1600, 1976 is not bad for a lv 221 compared to a BOTS!! lv 100, more level difference = more sets = higher rise in stats in order to keep leveling players happy.. There is always the speed tag in PvP / base, or you could ask other people to strip their speed.

[Epic xD]

Max speed for a surge on Bots was about 1.3k.

[nourr993]

Lol noob i luv OPness AND it sounds like a lot of work to me soo :p
@epic xD then go play bots at bots.zylongaming.com

[123bomb123]

I am really sorry about that but 1-...

To be honest, the more speed I have the better I can play and the more things I can do with more speed, (Like the better I can PvP and do other things faster rather than slower espically as a surge) instead of having a hard time running from a transformed player with less speed I can run and defend from that player with ease with the more speed I have ^.^

You may think I am crazy but if so, then try the Bot speeds and see how you fair!

Are you honestly being serious?

[123bomb123]

We'd do it to make surges less OP and not the most popular bot-type by a huge margin.

[Rossbach]

We'd do it to make surges less OP and not the most popular bot-type by a huge margin.

Ross already suggested an idea for that. 


Besides there is a rise in Patches and Rams nowadays due to Sector.

[Epic xD]

Max speed in bots was 1381.

The max speed is now in the 1900s. It's not just like I'm gonna play the Bots version when nobody plays it. Sacrificing a small amount of speed isn't really a big deal. Surges are still fast; they just aren't quite as fast as they used to be. I'd say having 80-90% speed is still fast -- it just makes the game more balanced.

[HyperShadic6]

I agree they need to work on patches....
I would say +1, nerf the speed because the speed seems just too much. It is too fast and it may be good for pvping but it is unfair to other bot types. Say I was ram lvl 172 full +7 set pvping a lvl 172 surge full +7 set. Ram have alot of TG and surges have alot of speed. If me ( ram) i was still in trans and the surge was in normal bot mode the surge will most likely run away from me since he/she is weak against trans bots giving the surges another advantage. By the time the ram goes back to normal bot the surge is probably transed by then so it does deal a lot of damage to the ram and because of the little speed rams have and the impressive speed the surges have there is no way for a ram to run away from a surge.

[Cooky]

game would be a ton better and more balanced if speed was lowered to what it was on BOTS, in my opinion

[123bomb123]

Allie can you respond 

(click to show/hide)

Won't stop bumping. 

[Rossbach]

You do realize this will affect all bot types, while surge will be more greatly affected this won't really change anything except that it will make the players more slower and boring. This game is already slow enough.  


Depending on how good the players are, and the map being played on Ram can still be able to catch up to Surges, as well as run away from them.

[Purple]

cba reading whole thread but here's my opinion:

Speed gear shouldn't be nerfed, it makes the game slower.
Nerf surge's parts by a certain %

problem solved ??

[Selene]

I think it's fine.

[123bomb123]

I think it's fine.

The game needs changes, if you want it to stay stagnant and not be played at it's full potential (where all 3 bots are equal) then that's alright, cool but it gets less enjoyable as time goes on..

[Rossbach]

I think it's fine.

The game needs changes, if you want it to stay stagnant and not be played at it's full potential (where all 3 bots are equal) then that's alright, cool but it gets less enjoyable as time goes on..

Yes lets play this game at it's full potential of speed. SPEED TO THE MAX! Yes like lowering the speed with make this game more fun.   

[123bomb123]

YEA SURGES ONLY IN PVP YA WOO.

THE **** OUT.

[Rossbach]

YEA SURGES ONLY IN PVP YA WOO.

THE **** OUT.

Still more fun than pvping an upper spamming patch. 

[123bomb123]

YEA SURGES ONLY IN PVP YA WOO.

THE **** OUT.

Still more fun than pvping an upper spamming patch. 

i quit.