[daniel0303]

when RT3 will be updated?
i'm waiting for RT3 parts

[Cooky]

moved to general discussion

[FalseProphet]

when RT3 will be updated?
i'm waiting for RT3 parts

Pretty much what RK i think said before, there is no necessarity for rt3 atm since the stats are overwhelming and having it would just make everything to easy and everything just needs a huge nerf or something.

[Cooky]

since the stats are overwhelming and having it would just make everything to easy

its already too easy though.. isn't it?

[FalseProphet]

since the stats are overwhelming and having it would just make everything to easy

its already too easy though.. isn't it?

easier than it already is xd.

[Xx Itz Ian]

since the stats are overwhelming and having it would just make everything to easy

its already too easy though.. isn't it?

easier than it already is xd.

The only challenge in this game is raid, bvb and pvp are dead and sector is easy as ****, i don't think more op items would change the game cause it's already been like that since i started playing.

[Thornz]

I don't actually think rt3 would change much about the game as far as difficulty as long as it was nerfed properly for pvp. We're talking about a difference of maybe 10-20 seconds on lv 258, and that's not really massive. I rly mostly want it for looks tbh, cause it's sexy af. Even if the stats weren't much better than rt2, I'd love to see it in-game...

[optisum1]

I wouldn't release RT3 at this moment, fix pvp, bvb,sector cosidering everything is way to easy except raid, raid 3 would only make pvp, bvb and sector less active than it is already after the updates of pvp bvb sec make RT3 come out, that would rock but it wouldn't changhe anything atm

[FalseProphet]

258 should be nerfed so the damage/mobs/hit ratio is as hard as rt2, and then just little nerfs to make it more challenging in sector to each lower level so by the end of nerfing all the levels 121 would be the current 258 difficulty like that much change in difficulty and 258 would be quad-rouple the difficulty. Yes it may seem long, and may take long to complete but rather have fun/challenge and it won't be as consistently played as how long it would take to complete but we'll see. I just want purple bladium<3.

[JustRK]

The stats would not only reduce solo time, but overall group completion for 258. 10-20 seconds faster would shave several hours / days it would take to get from 1 - 270.

A full group doing 258 with rt3 efficiently is basically the time it would take a novice hacker to complete it creating absolutely no merit in grinding to max level (even worse than now)

[Godz]

We got to find a way.

[Thornz]

The stats would not only reduce solo time, but overall group completion for 258. 10-20 seconds faster would shave several hours / days it would take to get from 1 - 270.

A full group doing 258 with rt3 efficiently is basically the time it would take a novice hacker to complete it creating absolutely no merit in grinding to max level (even worse than now)

I understand your concerns RK and it's a valid point, but here are some numbers:

For simplicities sake, say that you could get a consistent time of 1:20 on 258 with RT2 (I'd say that's fair for most ppl I see doing it on average, even though under a minute is fairly easy with good teammates). 20 seconds faster would bring it down to 1:00

So we're looking at 80 seconds vs 60 seconds, with say 15 seconds extra for win screen, start timer, switching games, etc.

That's 37.8 games/hour vs 48 games/hour
Or 2,477,233 exp/hr vs 3,145,680 exp/hr

That means that level 270 would take roughly 46 hours to achieve with RT2, and 36 hours with RT3. That's a difference of 10 hours. Prolly lower cause mistakes on maps would average those numbers out a bit more.

To achieve 500m exp, it would take 202 hours with rt2 and 159 hours with RT3. A difference of 43 hours that only 2 players would feel. In the long-run that doesn't seem game breaking. I mean rly if you think about it, rt2 is 1.5x RT1 already. RT3 would be 2.0x RT1, which isn't altogether a massive increase.

These are my thoughts on it as far as sector goes.

And tbh I want it pretty much just for it's looks, it's so damn hawt...

[Godz]

The stats would not only reduce solo time, but overall group completion for 258. 10-20 seconds faster would shave several hours / days it would take to get from 1 - 270.

A full group doing 258 with rt3 efficiently is basically the time it would take a novice hacker to complete it creating absolutely no merit in grinding to max level (even worse than now)

I understand your concerns RK and it's a valid point, but here are some numbers:

For simplicities sake, say that you could get a consistent time of 1:20 on 258 with RT2 (I'd say that's fair for most ppl I see doing it on average, even though under a minute is fairly easy with good teammates). 20 seconds faster would bring it down to 1:00

So we're looking at 80 seconds vs 60 seconds, with say 15 seconds extra for win screen, start timer, switching games, etc.

That's 37.8 games/hour vs 48 games/hour
Or 2,477,233 exp/hr vs 3,145,680 exp/hr

That means that level 270 would take roughly 46 hours to achieve with RT2, and 36 hours with RT3. That's a difference of 10 hours. Prolly lower cause mistakes on maps would average those numbers out a bit more.

To achieve 500m exp, it would take 202 hours with rt2 and 159 hours with RT3. A difference of 43 hours that only 2 players would feel. In the long-run that doesn't seem game breaking. I mean rly if you think about it, rt2 is 1.5x RT1 already. RT3 would be 2.0x RT1, which isn't altogether a massive increase.

These are my thoughts on it as far as sector goes.

And tbh I want it pretty much just for it's looks, it's so damn hawt...

Good point.


Took me 3 years to get 130m exp and now you say 200h for 500m I hate how things have changed.

[-Speedy-]

Took me 2years to get 60m xp now I can get 60m in a week if I try lol. Baggie got 100m xp this week. So adding rt3 wouldn't change much, everything is already to easy.

[Meteor]

Took me 4 years to get 40m exp, considering I was active only the first 2-3 years and stopped grinding after the 2nd year (unless needed). With what you guys are getting now I don't think there's any need for more op armor.

[Thornz]

Took me 4 years to get 40m exp, considering I was active only the first 2-3 years and stopped grinding after the 2nd year (unless needed). With what you guys are getting now I don't think there's any need for more op armor.

As I said ofc about stats. They could give it rt2 stats for all I care. I just want that sexy damn armor...

[Madprox]

tbh, i reaaallyy don't see the problem.

Just release it.
People have been able to see what it looks like, and admire the stats of it for months and months.

Nerfing it now would be absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.
Nerfing RT3 because it's "OP"...?

Like all the DM guns in-game, Metowing, Jack head, ...
there's sooo many things that are OP in game, what about the Reaper flags? you could literally just equip Reapers and be as strong as a bot with good armor in bots.

The game has been "ruined" long ago if you care about not having OP items in it..
So, choices were made long ago to HAVE OP items in-game, then don't go back on that decision and ask for a nerf on the final piece of armor in the game.

Makes no sense if you ask me.

[Cooky]

agree with max

[Godz]

agree with max

me2me2

[Madprox]

what max said is truth, but i think they trying to balance the map a bit cuz in 250 all mobs transed, and you can only be 1 shoted from an object, not fair to others types to, (rams and surges die at 1 wave)

Which is why the game is broken.
It should be a coöperative raid challenge for a whole team of friends, or people trying to work together to achieve something, using all means nessecary, thus using all three bot types, not just patches soloing everything and ram/surges trying to glitch to stay alive just to run to the end if everything is cleared to get parts.

[JustRK]

Well if you were around for old BC you'd know exactly why people asked to nerf RT3.  Once you release the end-game armor that makes the game so easy that you can literally walk around like a tank killing everything effortlessly it becomes a problem for replay purposes which is what this game highly based on.

They would need to fix the experience and stat balancing issues before they release this or they'll just end up in the same boat that steered the old BC to failure. Not to mention now that more and more people are reaching upper tier levels it makes it easier for hackers to slide through the radar. They aren't as dumb as they used to be and stuff like this makes our job even harder.

[Madprox]

Well if you were around for old BC you'd know exactly why people asked to nerf RT3.  Once you release the end-game armor that makes the game so easy that you can literally walk around like a tank killing everything effortlessly it becomes a problem for replay purposes which is what this game highly based on.

They would need to fix the experience and stat balancing issues before they release this or they'll just end up in the same boat that steered the old BC to failure. Not to mention now that more and more people are reaching upper tier levels it makes it easier for hackers to slide through the radar. They aren't as dumb as they used to be and stuff like this makes our job even harder.

The replay ability has been taken out the game a long time ago, when they decided to make it possible to legitly achieve the maximum level, a massive 114,000,000 experience, in 1 month.
If you get to the maximum level possible in a month, and haven't spend time during your stay here, levelling, in either pvp or base games, then what would make you keep playing?

Releasing this highest-tier armor really isn't going to make a difference.
It's just an end-game reward for people who have achieved the highest level.

[JustRK]

I know we rejected all the requests for a level prestige system, but it makes so much sense now lmao.
They should have just made it that so each new raid needs a prestige since they provide boat loads of exp already anyway.

Example system.

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221 (no prestige) raid 1 requiring someone to at least survive 219 and enter with t3 or something.

235 (prestige / rebirth 1 or w/e) requires you killed zeon by yourself to enter, you have to be decently skilled to kill him anyway.

250 (last prestige / rebirth) requires everything prior and completion of a revamped story mode.

Rebirth can be available at like level 221 or something.  That way we don't have to keep scaling the levels up.

But yeah, only real huge impact rt3 would make is in PvP which we should so desperately start focusing our attention on.

[Madprox]

I know we rejected all the requests for a level prestige system, but it makes so much sense now lmao.
They should have just made it that so each new raid needs a prestige since they provide boat loads of exp already anyway.

Example system.

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221 (no prestige) raid 1 requiring someone to at least survive 219 and enter with t3 or something.

235 (prestige / rebirth 1 or w/e) requires you killed zeon by yourself to enter, you have to be decently skilled to kill him anyway.

250 (last prestige / rebirth) requires everything prior and completion of a revamped story mode.

Rebirth can be available at like level 221 or something.  That way we don't have to keep scaling the levels up.

Or we can fix the exp to 10k for lvl 258, and make it so u have to actually kill the boss instead of pushing 8 mobs and a well designed boss in under a minute.

[Godz]

I know we rejected all the requests for a level prestige system, but it makes so much sense now lmao.
They should have just made it that so each new raid needs a prestige since they provide boat loads of exp already anyway.

Example system.

(click to show/hide)

221 (no prestige) raid 1 requiring someone to at least survive 219 and enter with t3 or something.

235 (prestige / rebirth 1 or w/e) requires you killed zeon by yourself to enter, you have to be decently skilled to kill him anyway.

250 (last prestige / rebirth) requires everything prior and completion of a revamped story mode.

Rebirth can be available at like level 221 or something.  That way we don't have to keep scaling the levels up.

Or we can fix the exp to 10k for lvl 258, and make it so u have to actually kill the boss instead of pushing 8 mobs and a well designed boss in under a minute.

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[JustRK]

Or we can fix the exp to 10k for lvl 258, and make it so u have to actually kill the boss instead of pushing 8 mobs and a well designed boss in under a minute.

well in terms of fighting gora, actually killing her is pretty tough since it's a smart AI not to mention it has guard crush and mobility boost so I highly agree with you on that modification in regards to exp in the event you push gora.

it's not like they'll even instate a rebirth system, but it would have greatly justified the effort for end-game sets. This is pretty much the only game where you can obtain the best stuff in a matter of hours. At least it would have taken more than a month to work your way up to wearing rt3

[Madprox]

well in terms of fighting gora, actually killing her is pretty tough since it's a smart AI not to mention it has guard crush and mobility boost

Exactly.
The new god maps are a good addition to bc, no, let me rephrase that,  the initial idea behind it was good.
The execution however, is another story.

Because 258 is such a broken map, the other maps are never even touched.
Need exp? > Leech 258 for an hour > 3m exp gained.
This is a shame.
You create these beautiful AI's for these "GODS of Cyberspace", yet completely destroy your magnificent work by making one map soloable in under a minute, WITHOUT having to fight this brilliant AI.
This makes me think, why go through the trouble of creating such AI, when in the end, not even bother to make it shine in-game?

and how changing exp to 10k would help the situation? every time the lvl cap gets raised and the exp amount to, if it would be possible the max exp would be 100k+ per 1 min, but it isnt possible to raise it, people asked for a map like gora cuz the old 8p was changed where only 220 and 221 lvls were getting 65k exp per 3min i think, and others had to be grinding in 172 where you could get 7k exp at the max, the gora is fast grind and low lvls can get to the lvl 225 in few hours, regarding this i personally think the ideas about changing the exp for low lvls would help in this situations, cuz you can make a new acc and ask a friend who is maxed to boost you till lvl 221 where you can get the rt1 and then get lvl 270 like in few weeks

I think you're missing the point.
What I'm saying is that the exp should be somewhere around 10k/min MAX. At the highest level possible.
Name me a game where you reach max level in no-time.
Name me a game where you create an account, and instantly are able to get the best exp rates, old, high-level players also get?

The point of gaming is to start playing, work your way up from 0-max level, and as you level, gain better ways to get more experience an hour, while also needing more experience to level up.

This is completely the opposite of what bc has become.
Here you start at 0 experience, and are able to get the highest level experience rates from that level 1.

> broken game

[Madprox]

ye, but isnt the problem in, that after lvl 1 completes a 258 map with a high lvl he gets to lvl 30 (with no member, t3 and other bonuses), if the max exp lvl 1 would get would be set to lats say 100 exp, then after reached lvl 10 you would get 1000 exp, lvl 100 would be 10k, the setting max exp for high lvls wouldnt change much bcs most of people grind for gps, and very low of people going for exp rank,

+ the exp sistem is broken too, there are like from one lvl to another you need 3m exp, then from that to the next its 2m then it jump up to 4m and falls to 1m, shouldnt it be like raising with the next lvl not jump like that

It does go up in a steady line, idk what u mean by going up 2m, then dropping to 1m, then up to 4m.
Reference > http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=17151.0#top
Fixing the level cap is one thing, yet still, 65k experience in under 1 min is simply too much, even for players who played for a long time, are the highest level, and have all the armor they need.
The experience ranking prove this.
It used to be a race to 100m experience, had been like that with the same top 5 for years.
Then new updates came out and everything went mad.
Now there's a player with over 600m experience, 2nd one has over 500m experience..
It's nice to want to be a top-ranked player in the experience rankings, but having 600m experience... no, just no.

[Madprox]

ye, but isnt the problem in, that after lvl 1 completes a 258 map with a high lvl he gets to lvl 30 (with no member, t3 and other bonuses), if the max exp lvl 1 would get would be set to lats say 100 exp, then after reached lvl 10 you would get 1000 exp, lvl 100 would be 10k, the setting max exp for high lvls wouldnt change much bcs most of people grind for gps, and very low of people going for exp rank,

+ the exp sistem is broken too, there are like from one lvl to another you need 3m exp, then from that to the next its 2m then it jump up to 4m and falls to 1m, shouldnt it be like raising with the next lvl not jump like that

It does go up in a steady line, idk what u mean by going up 2m, then dropping to 1m, then up to 4m.
Reference > http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=17151.0#top
Fixing the level cap is one thing, yet still, 65k experience in under 1 min is simply too much, even for players who played for a long time, are the highest level, and have all the armor they need.
The experience ranking prove this.
It used to be a race to 100m experience, had been like that with the same top 5 for years.
Then new updates came out and everything went mad.
Now there's a player with over 600m experience, 2nd one has over 500m experience..
It's nice to want to be a top-ranked player in the experience rankings, but having 600m experience... no, just no.

i agree with that, but dont think others will, they will cry that lvling is hard and that allie should buff the exp

and by the exp problem i ment this:

lvl 251 - 252 is 1.9m exp
252 - 253 is 4.7m
253 - 254 is 2.1m
254 - 255 is 5.8m
255 - 256 is 3.1m

i just took few numbers but look how it jumps from 1.9 to 4.7 and then lowers back to 2.1 then jumps again, it suppose to always increase not increase then lower, like this:

251 - 252 is 2m
252 - 253 is 2.5m
253 - 254 is 3.2m
254 - 255 is 5m

by making it like that, there will be less lvls ofc and exp for each lvl would be increasing more, but atleast it would be fair

You're correct.
Not sure if Allie actually realises this, since it makes absolutely no sense.

[hur9]

We should return to topic plz.

[FalseProphet]

We should return to topic plz.

Or perhaps let's modify the topic name as this is becoming a good discussion with no actual bad intentions to anyone or the game. Rather then kill the only bit of decent talkative conversation we actually have on the forums.

[hur9]

daniel0303 created the topic.

[Thornz]

Actually the topic is called "about RT3", and this really ALL pertains to that. All this discussion about the new maps, gaining exp even faster with rt3, etc. was brought on by speculations about the effects releasing rt3 would have, so I personally don't see anything off-topic

[Allie]

actually killing her is pretty tough since it's a smart AI

thx, lot of work went into the ai of the gods.

[FalseProphet]

actually killing her is pretty tough since it's a smart AI

thx, lot of work went into the ai of the gods.

Imagine killing two of her i'd be like living with your mother and siblings all over again.... (for those who've moved out)

We should return to topic plz.

daniel0303 created the topic.

lol jokes on you, your own post doesn't even relate to rt3.
But in all fairness, the only thing stopping me is the membership issue. I could buy perm member, but then i think to myself would i use it/it be worth it, as i mean then i could get rt3 and things but then i think about and worry how long the game will last and things. If i could get a deal where if the game died in under a year after purchase money back guaranteed that'd be nice and i'd probably guranteed buy it Cause then least i get a year's worth of gaming just depends how confident they are the game will last . The only sad thing about raid is most of the time once someone has completed raid, they then don't play it once they have their set unless it's to help someone get their set so then after there aren't any rooms like for example rt1 is pretty hard to fill a room now, and when rt3 is released i personally think the same issue with rt1 may occur with rt2 rooms. So to actually get rt3 you need to complete rt1/r2 raid maps so it would be a difficult challenge just getting there if your late to the whole thing.

[Madprox]

actually killing her is pretty tough since it's a smart AI

thx, lot of work went into the ai of the gods.

Why make it possible to push her then? :/