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History of BOTS!! and or BOUT?

Started by MetalReaper, February 22, 2017, 01:39:55 PM

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MetalReaper

I am here just to learn the history of what happened to this game. I remember skipping school to play BOTS!!(*lol*) and after remembering the nostalgia I figured I should find a private server if available to play this game. However there is a lot of questions I have. Who has the source code and rights to this game? What happened to the original BOTS and how does BC tie into all of that?

Pokeh

well there was

bout - original korean game
bots - original english game
old boutcheetah
old be.volution
new boutcheetah
new be.volution
a side server or 2 that zirak/others who rebelled from everyone tried to make and failed
and the orangegame versions of bout that were modified after acclaim died

no particular order
am i missing something

Meteor

Quote from: Pokeh on February 27, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
well there was

bout - original korean game
bots - original english game
old boutcheetah
old be.volution
new boutcheetah
new be.volution
a side server or 2 that zirak/others who rebelled from everyone tried to make and failed
and the orangegame versions of bout that were modified after acclaim died

no particular order
am i missing something
Nailed it pretty much.
As far as the source code goes, the aforementioned Orangegame remake (T-Bot) is its last known owner, for all we know it could be lost forever.

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Allie55

If you're looking for a quick (read: lots of information) summary with details, I think I'm the best to give it to you.

In 2004, N-Log made BOUT. In 2006, Acclaim published an english version.
Around 2009, several hackers from gamecheetah learned about packet editing using WPE (namely auron and later zirak).
Later in 2009, Auron and an ex-vGM from the english BOTS (Tok) decided to start a private server by using the game's client and mirroring the server's game packets.
Auron decided he was no longer interested, and he released the source code to his unfinished work, known as EnchantedBOTS. It was a rough source that had loginserver working and a couple in-game things, but was really sketchy cause it's an unfinished work. Very few people were able to even get it to work.

Myself, Kenny (Santa) and Matt (RedShadow), fellow hackers from gamecheetah (and, already running our own hack website, botscheetah at the time), took the opportunity to grab his code and continue work on it using our own website as a base.
Our website was, at the time, a domain borrowed from Kenny's father, named thenewoutpost.com.
Once we got things working, we named it BoutCheetah and invited several friends for a closed beta while we made things work (at this time, things like drops, base, trading, guilds, etc were still being developed).
Then, once everything was reasonably finished, we used our BOTS hacks to advertise the game (namely orange texting using a bot we made). I won't defend us here, we were kind've scumbags when we were younger, but it may have been the reason BC was big in the first place.

In late 2009, we looked at BC's popularity and decided maybe it's actually worth investing into instead of treating it as a joke hobby. At this point, we shut it down and publicly lied about Acclaim shutting us down. Instead, we worked on fixing it up, smoothed out membership for real profits, and re-released it a few months later.
We opened a second closed beta so we can confirm everything's smoothed out. For those that were invited, many of them consider this the best time BC's ever had, with an active close-knit community of less than 50.
Closed beta ends and everyone's welcome back to a new website, the one you're using now, zylongaming.com.

Throwing a line to itself here to announce BOTS shutdown on August 25 2010.

While BC was growing, Zirak came to help us develop some things with ASM. For example, he made coin items tradeable and did several other noteable things of the sort.
Ultimately, we had our differences and he left, and with Tok decided to start a competing server named BOUT Evolution.
They used our packets to build, because BOTS was no longer available.
In 2011 this server was functioning, but was really buggy and crashed a lot. They mainly consisted of a small community of players who refused to join BC because it was ran by the assholes who "killed" BOTS (reasonable).
They decided to start a lot of drama with us, and attempted to take some of our playerbase by being a (at the time) completely free game with free droppable coins.

In the midst of all this, in 2012 a new server randomly shows up in Indonesia. A company named OrangeGame apparently had the original source code for the server, and was able to actually modify things instead of reverse them like we do.
We found out about it first, and began ripping some of their stuff to add to our game. This is where levels such as 149 and transes such as Xia came from.
We offered them a significant sum of money on multiple occasions and multiple places for the source (namely, in the tens of thousands in usd for a game that never has more than 10 online).
We asked them on their website, we tracked their employees and even their ceo on facebook and sent them a message. Never a reply.
Unfortunately they mostly just released the game, completely randomly, then abandoned it and it eventually shut down. Even I'm not sure what their goal was, but the CEO was rich as ****, maybe he just didn't care about the lost profits.

Moving on, the developers of Evolution eventually got bored and gave up, as expected, in late 2011-early 2012. We had no competition again, but we weren't doing all that much at this time.
We offered to co-host their servers, similar to how we host BOTS, with the same database they used to use and everything. It was purely for the users, and they would get a share of the profits. They declined.

Around this time, we decided we wanted a bots server. For that reason, we began work on our BOTS 2006 version.
It was made mostly from scratch, as we were comfortable with the code at this point. Instead of working in reverse, removing things from BC, I added every item individually with the help of jrharbort and several other players from 2006.
Our goal was to add new content every few months and eventually end up at 2008 bots, where it ended.
When it released, it was a fairly big hit, with 50+ online at once and everything seemed like a success. Similar to closed beta of the second opening of BC, many consider this the best time BOTS had.
Eventually, people lost interest, and as such Kenny's motivation in the project dropped. I mostly took over as its sole admin and kept things working the best I could.

In late 2012-early 2013, Evolution decided again that they were coming back, and with a cool new website to offer. Unfortunately it didn't get very far, as even before the website was finished they got bored again. They took a few interested people, but ultimately there isn't much history to discuss here.

At a critical point, late 2013 Kenny gets involved with she-who-wont-be-named. This person took massive advantage of him, and drove a wedge between us by early 2014. By the time he realized this person was a parasite we were barely friends and he was no longer very interested in working with me, or BC in general. He decided to take a long break.

During this break, someone decided to start a new server named Eagle. There isn't anything particularly noteworthy to say about these guys, admin was bipolar and shut it down every couple weeks.

I upheld BC as long as I could until he finally came back, January of 2015, and we worked on a couple updates. He left again.
Once again I did what I could until November of 2015, when he came back and we worked on a couple updates. He left again.
This time of leaving, it would seem he's officially done working with me, and for now that means no events, bugfixes or official updates of any kind. This leaves us to where we are now.

Sorry if I missed anything, lot of information here.

Godz

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Was that the best first post from a new forum user in the bc history?


Thanks for making this post. Better than a short part of the story here and there from this guy and this other guy.



Brandon

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This honestly makes me a little emotional hearing about this again. I still remember when Kenny and yourself first found me on GameCheetah back when I was the moderator for the bots section. You guys were a pain in my ass at first but eventually we grew to be good friends, well until I acted like the child I was...hard to believe they put a 13 year old in charge (21 now). MSN was key in the olden days lol..It's been crazy to see how far this game progressed over a period of eight years, bots alongside this game was such a big part of my childhood.

Allie, I've been wanting to know for years, what happened to that game you were making through RPG Maker?I assume progress on that completely stopped due to this game but Fira Xion I believe was the name? This is the only picture I still have from it back in the day;



Also here's a very shitty logo I made for our old forum that we used a very long time ago;


Allie55

Quote from: Brandon on March 01, 2017, 09:09:36 PMAllie, I've been wanting to know for years, what happened to that game you were making through RPG Maker?I assume progress on that completely stopped due to this game but Fira Xion I believe was the name?

Unfortunately I decided it wasn't worth all the effort after being too ambitious with an rpg maker game. I got like 3-4 hours of gameplay with side quests and detailed environments scripted properly instead of the crap the first version one was and started to wonder why I was bothering. Still have the source, but if I decided to do something like it again I think I'd prefer to start over in unity or unreal.

We (Kenny, Matt and I) decided to remake bots as-is in unity several years ago. Significant progress was made and it was almost time to start the multiplayer code when kenny lost interest.

Similarly, having the knowledge of the remake we made, I solo started an HD version of the game. I've released several screenshots and a few friends playtested basic movement, animation and gameplay, but I've had to stop due to lack of time/funding.

eco999

That stuff with that person and Santa annoys me. Wtf, so if it wasnt for that person BC would have recieved more updates?

Allie55

Quote from: eco999 on March 02, 2017, 02:55:18 PM
That stuff with that person and Santa annoys me. Wtf, so if it wasnt for that person BC would have recieved more updates?

most likely.

Meteor

Been awhile since we've had one of those history posts Allie, had a good read.
Quote from: eco999 on March 02, 2017, 02:55:18 PM
That stuff with that person and Santa annoys me. Wtf, so if it wasnt for that person BC would have recieved more updates?
This person's inclusion in the game was probably what you'd call the beginning of the end.

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Pokeh

Woah, I didn't know a lot of what Allie filled in. I miss that vaping neck-beard kenny :[

edit: I'm kinda glad bc/bots zylon is still up. I go on from time-to-time for nostalgia. Hitting my 10-year anniversary in 2 weeks (some here have hit/will hit 11 years this year since joining the original community in 2006)

Santa

March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM #11 Last Edit: March 03, 2017, 03:48:21 AM by Santa
Quote from: Pokeh on March 03, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
Woah, I didn't know a lot of what Allie filled in. I miss that vaping neck-beard kenny :[

edit: I'm kinda glad bc/bots zylon is still up. I go on from time-to-time for nostalgia. Hitting my 10-year anniversary in 2 weeks (some here have hit/will hit 11 years this year since joining the original community in 2006)

I'm here still. I just don't like talking to anyone anymore (socially awkward).  I do my best to make sure the game stays online, I have been doing some work on the website believe it or not, as the website was having ssl certificate issues mid-last month.  The only other person from bots-era i talk to occasionally is Matt aka redshadow (he graduated college a few years ago and moved away from Texas to Florida and got a job in the IT software reverse engineer field).  If any of you still wanna talk, lemme know in PMs.  Boutcheetah and bots will probably remain online forever even if not many people play or noone plays, just for the nostalgia. It's almost self-maintaining atm.  I would like it to grow again but even if updates were released it would not liven up the game any as everyone has grown up and no longer likes to grind like before most likely.  If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  Other than that the game is kinda in a acclaim status (no updates) without all of the server crashes from us.

Edit:
So what have you all been up to the past few years?

Bluepatchx

Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
 If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  

I think there's a good amount of people who'd like that ;)
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Quote from: Allie55 on March 02, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: eco999 on March 02, 2017, 02:55:18 PM
That stuff with that person and Santa annoys me. Wtf, so if it wasnt for that person BC would have recieved more updates?

most likely.
So people are waiting for updates, lots of events. Bots  and BC...
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Caspian

Quote from: Bluepatchx on March 03, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
 If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  

I think there's a good amount of people who'd like that ;)

And staff ready to help co-host these events :)  I know that there is plenty of people waiting behind the curtains for something to happen.
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dohoonkim123

Quote from: Caspian on March 03, 2017, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: Bluepatchx on March 03, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
 If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  

I think there's a good amount of people who'd like that ;)

And staff ready to help co-host these events :)  I know that there is plenty of people waiting behind the curtains for something to happen.


Same. Whenever u back, we will help as much as we can.

Rez

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Please do something with Bots
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windlife64

When it come to Bots/Bc i think every one wants something eather substantial or just New. Im on board lets just have fun.

hawk5005

Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
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Oh so you fixed the ssl errors. I want to personally thank you for that, as I had to use google chrome instead of firefox every time I wanted to open the forums.(I very much dislike google chrome)
As for the events, please do it, even if they're small events, as long as there is something actively going on players will be grateful. There's only a handful of loyal players now and then that still play it, some people that return every few months to play and then go back to hibernation (i.e. me), and even (surprisingly) a couple new players and they deserve to be somewhat rewarded for sticking around after so many years. And who knows, some events now and then might just draw out some people out of the shadows.

Even just having you and Allie posting on the forums, or logging in the game once in a blue moon gives people hope that this half dead game still has a glimmer of hope. To be honest, I hadn't seen you or Allie online in more than a month and I thought for certain that the website would just go offline one day and we'd never hear about it again. I thought you'd forgotten about it, and it became just another failed side project slowly drifting into the void. Now seeing both of you post in this thread, and seeing that you still care about it is just great.

The only fun I've ever had, and ever will in this game is PvP. Most notably holodeck/hoverbyte. Short rounds, easy kills, and every game is somehow different, even after more than 17k games(christ, that's a lot of games). Sectoring is boring as it's the same levels/monsters every time, and once you find the perfect pattern to clear the level asap, that's the only thing you'll do. And I'm probably not the only one to think like this.

As for whats going on in our lives, you guessed it. We all got into highschool/college, we all grew old and bored of this game, and we all grew very tired and busy. The little free time there is left is dedicated mostly to real life. But we're still here, some of us more often than others, but I can bet that the old players still check these forums once every few months, only if it's just to see if their childhood game is dead or not.


z0co2

Quote from: Bluepatchx on March 03, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
 If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  

I think there's a good amount of people who'd like that ;)

I second that.


cybertran

Quote from: dohoonkim123 on March 03, 2017, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: Caspian on March 03, 2017, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: Bluepatchx on March 03, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
 If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  

I think there's a good amount of people who'd like that ;)

And staff ready to help co-host these events :)  I know that there is plenty of people waiting behind the curtains for something to happen.


Same. Whenever u back, we will help as much as we can.

-PeaceLover-






Zephyros235

I personally have been playing on and off over the years but have never got to experience any events and would be really excited to see some :D
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Ti Jack18

March 03, 2017, 10:30:31 PM #24 Last Edit: March 03, 2017, 11:12:56 PM by Ti Jack18
Oh yeah it would be so cool to have events back but not only events! General uptades and new stuffs, im sure this will bring alot of players



MrCookies

blizzard100

More event please!!!! Everyone want to have event!!!

Pokeh

a pvp event with 5k zylon coin as grand prize is always nice to win again :]

Meteor

March 04, 2017, 07:36:06 AM #27 Last Edit: March 04, 2017, 07:50:30 AM by Meteor
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I mean, I still go on every month or so to pvp with various members of the old gang, so to say I've given up on this completely is an overstatement. If there were any events to be worked on I'm down to help out with whatever I can (whenever I can).

P.S. I don't think many people noticed our other thread so here we have a Discord group, it'd be awesome if we could get more of you oldfafs on it. https://discord.gg/GQE6bzb

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Michael1298

Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.

I would love sector events. :3

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Styx

That was an interesting read Allie, a far cry of what would've been said in the ol' days.

Hope life has been well anyways, keep smiling :).

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Brazy

Such a nice story Allie, you guys probably missed the times when me(leon) and arkade were releasing hacks ???? Cuz there was a lot of people playin at that time.

Even though I was so young at that time and did a lot of mess here,I always respected you guys since bots acclaim for that hack forums and job you later did on bc.
It was really fun to play this game, lol I remember time me and arkade changed shop in bc for Korean shop and bought Korean items who no one had , lmao that was probably my favorite thing in game and of course it was fun to speak with all old players here. Kenny remember how we were in teamviewer and I turned on meatspin on some random dude's pc who got infected by arkade's virus? haha that was fun lol

Those times were fun af and there is a lot I could tell about...

P.S Santa
Could you unban my acc and reset pass of it? xD  Id like to login somewhen for nostalgia.

- Leon

Allie55

Quote from: Brazy on March 10, 2017, 06:17:46 AM
Such a nice story Allie, you guys probably missed the times when me(leon) and arkade were releasing hacks ???? Cuz there was a lot of people playin at that time.

Even though I was so young at that time and did a lot of mess here,I always respected you guys since bots acclaim for that hack forums and job you later did on bc.
It was really fun to play this game, lol I remember time me and arkade changed shop in bc for Korean shop and bought Korean items who no one had , lmao that was probably my favorite thing in game and of course it was fun to speak with all old players here. Kenny remember how we were in teamviewer and I turned on meatspin on some random dude's pc who got infected by arkade's virus? haha that was fun lol

Those times were fun af and there is a lot I could tell about...

P.S Santa
Could you unban my acc and reset pass of it? xD  Id like to login somewhen for nostalgia.

- Leon

idk about arkade, but you weren't all that bad. i can't really hate you for being a hacker since so were we. arkade was an idiot, so that's a different story.

if you pm me your account and desired password I'll reset it for you.

Brazy

Quote from: Allie55 on September 20, 1974, 12:02:11 PM

idk about arkade, but you weren't all that bad. i can't really hate you for being a hacker since so were we. arkade was an idiot, so that's a different story.

if you pm me your account and desired password I'll reset it for you.
haha,we live in different countries now because I went studying abroad.

Thank you, pm sent

leapman

Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Quote from: Pokeh on March 03, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
Edit:
So what have you all been up to the past few years?

Still on this music grind whilst improving & now the crew's racking up 100,000+ views on Youtube & counting. 8)
I wouldn't be creating music without influence from the community so s/o to everyone that was here for them EGK days.

SideNote: Good to see you're still alive guy lol

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Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?

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Yz

Quote from: -Speedy- on March 22, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?

who saw that coming

MasterMerc

Quote from: Yz on March 22, 2017, 05:27:03 AM
Quote from: -Speedy- on March 22, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?

who saw that coming
WHEW I haven't laughed this hard in awhile.
#stopmegatron2k15

leapman

Quote from: -Speedy- on March 22, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?
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Yz

Quote from: KillerPig on March 20, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
where is bonzodog

daluzman just crawled out of the tub he was sharing with bonzodog and noblem so they're probably on their way

hhehhehhhhaheheh

123bomb123

Quote from: -Speedy- on March 22, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?
yikes lmfao
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mrz is like top 40 and would probly be like
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KillerPig

Quote from: Yz on March 24, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: KillerPig on March 20, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
where is bonzodog

daluzman just crawled out of the tub he was sharing with bonzodog and noblem so they're probably on their way

hhehhehhhhaheheh

ooo yummy

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Quote from: Yz on March 22, 2017, 05:27:03 AM
Quote from: -Speedy- on March 22, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Sup *****s, i like to do drugs now. xanax is bomb af. wyu guys?

who saw that coming
hahahaha im weak

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KillerPig

Quote from: Santa on March 03, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Quote from: Pokeh on March 03, 2017, 12:48:43 AMWoah, I didn't know a lot of what Allie filled in. I miss that vaping neck-beard kenny :[

edit: I'm kinda glad bc/bots zylon is still up. I go on from time-to-time for nostalgia. Hitting my 10-year anniversary in 2 weeks (some here have hit/will hit 11 years this year since joining the original community in 2006)

I'm here still. I just don't like talking to anyone anymore (socially awkward).  I do my best to make sure the game stays online, I have been doing some work on the website believe it or not, as the website was having ssl certificate issues mid-last month.  The only other person from bots-era i talk to occasionally is Matt aka redshadow (he graduated college a few years ago and moved away from Texas to Florida and got a job in the IT software reverse engineer field).  If any of you still wanna talk, lemme know in PMs.  Boutcheetah and bots will probably remain online forever even if not many people play or noone plays, just for the nostalgia. It's almost self-maintaining atm.  I would like it to grow again but even if updates were released it would not liven up the game any as everyone has grown up and no longer likes to grind like before most likely.  If enough people want events back, I will work on adding that again.  Other than that the game is kinda in a acclaim status (no updates) without all of the server crashes from us.

Edit:
So what have you all been up to the past few years?

how r u santa

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