[Optimism]

Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?

And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?


And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?

I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. Technically not even atheism can substantiate its beliefs over any other religion. Nearly every "truth" humans know (or think they know) is based on induction. Without perfect induction (http://www.okstate.edu/ag/agedcm4h/academic/aged5980a/5980/Logic/LOGIC/sld012.htm), we can not know anything with absolute certainty. Therefore neither atheism nor any other religion can truthfully claim truth over another. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. Wait, wait wait. Your telling me you objectively viewed ALL religions? You yourself stated that there have been 350,000+ unique religions throughout history. How can you be philosophically certain that atheism substantiates truth over all religions? If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. I 100% agree! Do you have faith that there is no God? Now, do you have evidence? Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this. As if looking into the cosmos and saying, "I know, a magical explosion did it!" is any better?

Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process. You either, my friend.

If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism.

Opti, no evidence exists to support that God doesn't exist. This means you cannot believe atheism to be true..

Atheism is not a belief, its simply a rejection of religious dogma (belief) based on the fact that NO evidence has been proposed to substantiate ANY religion.

Extraordinary claims require, yet again, extraordinary evidence. If you cannot provide this evidence, then I may dismiss your beliefs in the same manner -- without evidence. The burden of proof relies on yourself and others making the same absurd claims with the absence of any substantiating factors.

The burden of proof has been placed on yourself immediately after you've made this claim of "truth". Prove it. I don't have to disprove it, as proving a negative is an impossibility (we've gone over this).

A caller has proof of Creationism

When I state "objectively viewing religion", this means that no religion has made a proposition that can differentiate itself from any other so much as to enable "my religion being dominant over your own". They are all the same. They all utilize the same points to establish "validity". All religion. If this isn't true, then how specifically, is your religion different from all other religions as so much to claim faith in it? Once you realize your claim in faith within a sole religion is simply for comfort measures, we can continue this discussion.

[Xrow]

Lol, Opti, atheism is a religion. Your quite subjective if you really think otherwise.

[Optimism]

Lol, Opti, atheism is a religion. Your quite subjective if you really think otherwise.

LOL. Atheism is nothing like religious dogma. I'm not expected to go to church, pray to something or even commit to tithe. Nor do I adhere to a strict over-seeing body (the Vatican -- if catholic). Nor does atheism impose some skewed moral authority over a single individual or multiple individuals. The list goes on and on.

Dogmatic religion vs. Atheism.

Are you ****ing serious? LOL.

9th straw man in this thread. Congrats.

[Xrow]

1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.

2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion

-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.
-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!
-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.

3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.

You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.

[Optimism]

1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.

2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion

-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe

Wrong.

-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!

Humanism is not atheism

-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

Wrong again.

Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.

3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.

You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.

Your definition complies with EXACTLY what I stated. Are you ****ing blind? Moreover, if somehow, the religious definition did not line up exactly with my statement, WHICH IT DOES, are you that out of touch with reality to not accept that statement as truth? You are nuts bro.

I don't worship scientists nor great thinkers. Atheism is not a moral code. Wow bro, you are just completely lost here. LOL.

[Xrow]

1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.

2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion

-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe

Wrong.

As is every other religion: Atheism is a religion.
Wrong, close-minded.

-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!

Humanism is not atheism

Still validates that your religion is indeed a religion.
Wrong, stubborn.

-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

Wrong again.

Of really? Then what is it?

Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.

3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.

You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.

Your definition complies with EXACTLY what I stated. I must be ****ing retarded. True. Moreover, if somehow, the religious definition did not line up exactly with my statement, WHICH IT DOES, are you that out of touch with reality to not accept that statement as truth? You are nuts bro.

I don't worship scientists nor great thinkers. Either you are sadly disillusioned, or you fail to understand the meaning of worship as expressed in this context. Atheism is not a moral code. Then neither is Christianity. Wow bro, you are just completely lost here. LOL.

The more I learn, the less intelligent you get. Sad.

[Optimism]

Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.

Understand this, and you won't draw such idiotic conclusions about Atheism (the LACK OF BELIEF IN CLAIMS THAT SUPPORT A GOD).

Atheism has nothing to do with religion, as it rejects religion. We are completely free from any tangible/made-up being.

Free to do whatever we wish without any over-seen restraint from an invisible man in the sky (no constraining book either). This couldn't be more clear.

That fact that your definition of religion validated my previous post didn't hurt either, lol.

[Xrow]

Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.

LOL?
There are not two types of belief, Opti. If there are, you are the only one that believes in them.

[Optimism]

Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.

LOL?
There are not two types of belief, Opti. If there are, you are the only one that believes in them.

Expectation (what you consider a form of belief) and belief. We've gone over this -- the two vary drastically.