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I think the player's should vote for if gm's and mods are aloud to go in the guilds again, because I don't give a shit if they are in guilds and dont give a shit if red passes Silence or any guild who has a gm in it. So I think we should vote what we want.

Plus post you thoughts.

Thanks

We should be able to choose ourselves.

People should have a right to be in a guild they want. They shouldn't be forced into a useless staff guild that has no real meaning.

there is a lot of advantages for those guilds who have gms or mods in their guilds. i think its okay if they rejoin if they make a change. i think they should gain 20% lesser GP from a lv than regularly people does.

Quote from: mhj on June 30, 2011, 08:33:54 PM
there is a lot of advantages for those guilds who have gms or mods in their guilds. i think its okay if they rejoin if they make a change. i think they should gain 20% lesser GP from a lv than regularly people does.

The only thing that needs to be fixed is the GM guns.

Tbh, this whole "staff guild" idea was wayyyyyy too late, ideas like this should've been made from the beginning, now you see staff raging because they leave their main guild, all their hard earned GP.

In my opinion, let the mods/gms be in whatever guild they want.

I completely disagree with the decision that has been made. Staff should be able to enjoy the benefit of the gm gun, the gp they can get with there items, and do it in the guild they want. Just because they are getting more points because they can do it faster doesn't mean you have to be upset about it. They work and help our community, they deserve something. But that's my opinion...

To be honest, imo other guilds that get mad about not having GM's are just jealous that they don't have the social merit to get anyone in their guild to a GM position. :)

Quote from: Tricky on June 30, 2011, 08:48:14 PM
To be honest, imo other guilds that get mad about not having GM's are just jealous that they don't have the social merit to get anyone in their guild to a GM position. :)

^

I just remembered that they have that Staff guild in the lower server when they first created it. And what do you know, we all went inactive.

Let him get an alt, let all the GM stuff get transferred to that alt, make the alt get in staff guild. Done. (GM Gramps still in red, Gramps in staff)

Good job Opti avoiding my reply. Don't get all mad because I posted in announcements. /QQ



Anyways here is what I posted, you can't avoid it now answer:

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 08:56:13 PM

Quote from: Tricky on June 30, 2011, 08:54:51 PM
If you can't understand, at this point, why Gramps DOESN'T WANT to be staff (NO MATTER WHETHER HE GETS A LV 200 ALT OR NOT,) then you need to... understand it >.>

My point is, that community comes first. The community is pissed that staff (GMs) are allowed in guilds. For the sake of community, Gramps should understand that his point doesn't hold weight. He has lost NOTHING, other than the title of GM within his guild. If you can't sacrifice a guild title, WHILE KEEPING YOUR GM ACCOUNT IN ANOTHER GUILD, then by all means, step down.

I'm getting fairly frustrated at this point. I've done everything possible to assure an easy transition. Gods don't run the show here -- humans do, meaning, mistakes happen. Mistakes were made with regard to litigation of this decision. Understand this and grow up.

The community is not pissed off at all about staff being allowed into guilds. Staff are not robots, this is not a company, this is just a childish private server. Who is even pissed about? The only person I know would be Ice who is STAFF and is probably happy that he is getting his way and not staff like Gramps. Look at what has happened now. The community is even more pissed after you tried to "fix" it.

If you make a new account for Gramps, even if he accepted it he would only play on that account not is GM account anymore. Thus the whole idea of "GM" is gone.

Are you saying Gramps has no say in this at all? That is one of the reasons why Gramps is mad in the first place.

I'm not saying he has no say. Oh contrare. I've simply talked to Allie about this already. She was going to do it regardless. I understand why she was as well. The needs for this outweigh the nots. I'm simply a messenger playing damage control at this point, so don't curb stomp me more than once...or twice...please.

Ross, go to the silence thread and pose that same question. People are pissed. This is fact.

Ross, i love you.

I lol'd because three days ago Allie told Lyric if he didn't join Sanctuary she'd make a staff guild and move all staff there.

@Opti: Au Contraire*

Quote from: Gramps on June 30, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
Ross, i love you.

You should love me as well >.<.

I'm on a scale here, floating above knives and flames. I'm trying to keep this balanced. C'mon now...

SHOW SOME LOVE ;/.

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
I'm not saying he has no say. Oh contrare. I've simply talked to Allie about this already. She was going to do it regardless. I understand why she was as well. The needs for this outweigh the nots. I'm simply a messenger playing damage control at this point, so don't curb stomp me more than once...or twice...please.

Ross, go to the silence thread and pose that same question. People are pissed. This is fact.

How long you talked to Allie about this? 2mins?

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:23:48 PM

Quote from: Gramps on June 30, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
Ross, i love you.

You should love me as well >.<.

I'm on a scale here, floating above knives and flames. I'm trying to keep this balanced. C'mon now...

SHOW SOME LOVE ;/.

Everyone's pissed at you dude lol don't try to turn this around

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
I'm not saying he has no say. Oh contrare. I've simply talked to Allie about this already. She was going to do it regardless. I understand why she was as well. The needs for this outweigh the nots. I'm simply a messenger playing damage control at this point, so don't curb stomp me more than once...or twice...please.

Ross, go to the silence thread and pose that same question. People are pissed. This is fact.

Oh, Silence you say?


Wow, I did not expect that... Totally

As you see that is proof on how Ice is getting his way. So tell me who else besides Silence? They are just jealous of pro Redemption.



<3 Gramps.

Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

I <3 Sean more than you. But I also know where my objectives lye -- these objectives certainly in the realm of appeasement/bias simply to keep a friend. If you can't understand this perspective, then that is your own fault.

I had no say, no contrare about it. I logged in and it was done. That's why i'm leaving staff. I'd rather be a non member treated like shit than staff treated the same way. /out

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

One guild of, say, 40 people overrules the rest of the community? If you're trying to keep a balance, why side with the minority when the rest of the community will become displeased???

Quote from: Gramps on June 30, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
I had no say, no contrare about it. I logged in and it was done. That's why i'm leaving staff. I'd rather be a non member treated like shit than staff treated the same way. /out

You were "treated like shit" for one time in your entire stay here? And you've bailed? I don't get it. Really. I don't.

Quote from: iwasbobo on June 30, 2011, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

One guild of, say, 40 people overrules the rest of the community? If you're trying to keep a balance, why side with the minority when the rest of the community will become displeased???

Fallacy. Its called the ad populous fallacy. Simply because the majority believe something to be right, doesn't mean it is right. The minority must be protected. Always. It is clearly unfair.

\facepalm.

if there was going to be alts why didn't you guys just take the gm and mod parts out of their names and give them a whole new account with it

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

I <3 Sean more than you. But I also know where my objectives lye -- these objectives certainly in the realm of appeasement/bias simply to keep a friend. If you can't understand this perspective, then that is your own fault.

I bet you had to use google translator to understand their language.

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

Ice is the one who came up with the idea. This is happening RIGHT when Red is about to pass silence. If Ice posed the idea, then it is what he wants. Apparently Gramps ideas get no say.


This is just another fight between Silence and Redemption, gone too far that violate the staff rights.


I don't hate Silence, or am I biased. I am just pointing out the facts, sorry if the facts are one sided. That is what you get when scientists goes into a lab and tests something on if it is something they believe it is are not. Even if they don't agree with it, yet it proves it, they can't be biased and trow it away and say their idea was right.

First I have witness to back me up,

When ICE is "getting his way".

1. QQ to Allie about our Gp, Like a couple of months ago. Some of the Total Guild Point was removed.
2. QQ to Allie because Redemption has GMs and Silence doesn't. What happen? Ice got his way again. Bang, "ZYLON STAFF" is created.

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Every problem that Redemption is in, it's because of Ice. Not all, but most of it.

Little Birdie told me that, ICE raged when he saw Redemption catching up. Atleast Red don't multi.

Quote from: Rossbach on June 30, 2011, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

Ice is the one who came up with the idea. This is happening RIGHT when Red is about to pass silence. If Ice posed the idea, then it is what he wants. Apparently Gramps ideas get no say.


This is just another fight between Silence and Redemption, gone too far that violate the staff rights.


I don't hate Silence, or am I biased. I am just pointing out the facts, sorry if the facts are one sided. That is what you get when scientists goes into a lab and tests something on if it is something they believe it is are not. Even if they don't agree with it, yet it proves it, they can't be biased and trow it away and say their idea was right.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA -- IT IS A PROBLAMATIC CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED. STOP BRINGING YOUR BIAS OPINIONS INTO AN OBJECTIVE DISCUSSION -- YOU'RE MAKING THIS A SUBJECTIVE CIRCLE JERK. CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN. DEAL WITH IT.

spam

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:29:52 PM

Quote from: iwasbobo on June 30, 2011, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

One guild of, say, 40 people overrules the rest of the community? If you're trying to keep a balance, why side with the minority when the rest of the community will become displeased???

Fallacy. Its called the ad populous fallacy. Simply because the majority believe something to be right, doesn't mean it is right. The minority must be protected. Always. It is clearly unfair.

\facepalm.

Yet you didn't even give the majority a chance to speak their opinions before acting.

spam

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:29:52 PM

Quote from: iwasbobo on June 30, 2011, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

One guild of, say, 40 people overrules the rest of the community? If you're trying to keep a balance, why side with the minority when the rest of the community will become displeased???

Fallacy. Its called the ad populous fallacy. Simply because the majority believe something to be right, doesn't mean it is right. The minority must be protected. Always. It is clearly unfair.

\facepalm.

It's not what the majority thinks it's what you think, it's always been that way, with your GFX and your decisions, if everyone hates on something you disagree with them on they are wrong. Again, ALWAYS been that way, and everyone knows it- and no, you can not nearly <3 Gramps as much as anyone in Red does.

Ross's post about a fight between Silence and Redemption is correct. He's not biased because he doesn't even care about any guild he's in, which is cool with us, and he's right on it being obvious that this GM issue only became a problem when Red was about to prove yet again we're the best in BC (not like we need proof lol). And nobodies bias but you because you're so loyal to being a GM.

Quote from: iwasbobo on June 30, 2011, 09:33:44 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:29:52 PM

Quote from: iwasbobo on June 30, 2011, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

One guild of, say, 40 people overrules the rest of the community? If you're trying to keep a balance, why side with the minority when the rest of the community will become displeased???

Fallacy. Its called the ad populous fallacy. Simply because the majority believe something to be right, doesn't mean it is right. The minority must be protected. Always. It is clearly unfair.

\facepalm.

Yet you didn't even give the majority a chance to speak their opinions before acting.

As I've stated, regardless of opinion, Allie would have walked this path. Moreover, I would have walked it with her. Its unfair for guilds to hold GM accounts. Simple truth. If you don't know why -- go read the announcement thread. I refuse to repeat myself again. Guys, really? This community needs to grow a few brain cells.

spam

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:32:50 PM

Quote from: Rossbach on June 30, 2011, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

Ice is the one who came up with the idea. This is happening RIGHT when Red is about to pass silence. If Ice posed the idea, then it is what he wants. Apparently Gramps ideas get no say.


This is just another fight between Silence and Redemption, gone too far that violate the staff rights.


I don't hate Silence, or am I biased. I am just pointing out the facts, sorry if the facts are one sided. That is what you get when scientists goes into a lab and tests something on if it is something they believe it is are not. Even if they don't agree with it, yet it proves it, they can't be biased and trow it away and say their idea was right.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA -- IT IS A PROBLAMATIC CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED. STOP BRINGING YOUR BIAS OPINIONS INTO AN OBJECTIVE DISCUSSION -- YOU'RE MAKING THIS A SUBJECTIVE CIRCLE JERK. CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN. DEAL WITH IT.

SERIOUSLY? THE ONE WHO COMES UP WITH A IDEA DOESN'T MATTER? IT IS WHAT MATTERS THE MOST, WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO LEARN NAMES OF PEOPLE IN SCHOOL? -- IT HAS BECOME A "PROBLAMATIC" CONCERN EVER SINCE THIS "IDEA FROM A PERSON WHO DOESN'T MATTER" CAME INTO PLACE. YET AGAIN THIS IS NOT BIASED, I AM STATING THE FACTS THAT GRAMPS IS NOT GETTING HIS WAY, AND YET ICE IS. -- DID YOU JUST CALL ME A JERK? YOUR A STAFF MEMBER. SAME HERE CAPS IS BROKEN, DEAL WITH IT.

spam

Once again what I've said before; if you have a problem with it (especially you GMs who are acting like little kids about this) than you should come to me; not whine to your friends or guild mates.
I'm locking this thread and likely all others in which are regarding this.

Quote from: Rossbach on June 30, 2011, 09:37:11 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:32:50 PM

Quote from: Rossbach on June 30, 2011, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: Optimism on June 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
Who said just ICE? Also, it isn't ICE "getting his way". He and others there have a very legit point to make. Its this simple. If you can't see this, then you're simply being bias as all hell.

Ice is the one who came up with the idea. This is happening RIGHT when Red is about to pass silence. If Ice posed the idea, then it is what he wants. Apparently Gramps ideas get no say.


This is just another fight between Silence and Redemption, gone too far that violate the staff rights.


I don't hate Silence, or am I biased. I am just pointing out the facts, sorry if the facts are one sided. That is what you get when scientists goes into a lab and tests something on if it is something they believe it is are not. Even if they don't agree with it, yet it proves it, they can't be biased and trow it away and say their idea was right.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA -- IT IS A PROBLAMATIC CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED. STOP BRINGING YOUR BIAS OPINIONS INTO AN OBJECTIVE DISCUSSION -- YOU'RE MAKING THIS A SUBJECTIVE CIRCLE JERK. CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN. DEAL WITH IT.

SERIOUSLY? THE ONE WHO COMES UP WITH A IDEA DOESN'T MATTER? IT IS WHAT MATTERS THE MOST, WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO LEARN NAMES OF PEOPLE IN SCHOOL? -- IT HAS BECOME A "PROBLAMATIC" CONCERN EVER SINCE THIS "IDEA FROM A PERSON WHO DOESN'T MATTER" CAME INTO PLACE. YET AGAIN THIS IS NOT BIASED, I AM STATING THE FACTS THAT GRAMPS IS NOT GETTING HIS WAY, AND YET ICE IS. -- DID YOU JUST CALL ME A JERK? YOUR A STAFF MEMBER. SAME HERE CAPS IS BROKEN, DEAL WITH IT.

The reason it doesn't matter who came up with the idea is because the idea remains as such -- an idea, regardless of who brings it up. If it is a good idea, it will be considered. If it is not, then it won't be. Brain cells. Get some.

Fixed my caps lock btw :).

In Tyler's defense, this was Allie's idea.

He is simply the messenger.