I haven't been here but a few weeks, but I've heard things. I've heard that you guys are good at business. I've heard that you guys are fairly professional. I've heard that you guys let me buy items. Okay, sounds cool. I'm glad this game is in the hands of people who can do it up right. But...I saw something today that was not cool.
Someone locked the name change thread because it didn't need to be debated, in their opinion. Excuse me? Obviously, more than a few people thought it was a ridiculous thing that should never been an issue. Acting like that? Bam. You have trivialized the concerns of some members of your community and shut down debate because of your own personal opinion. Guess what you just damaged?
It really is a minor thing, but looking back a lot of of threads here and elsewhere, I see that certain people don't seem to think that certain members of the staff have great attitudes (from one thread in particular that's in this forum, the mod who locked the thread), I see that many forums are dead, and I have had to search in here for information that I think should have been available to me somewhere along the line very clearly.
It kills me, because I love the previous incarnation of this game, I think that as far as business goes, people seem to think you're doing the right things, but when it comes to what would really turn this whole package from good to great, a good relationship with your base, it does not seem like you have it. From my impression, it does not seem like people want to have it with you. I get that the playerbase is pretty ass sometimes. I play with them, you know? But...really?
I'm not completely sure on the incident you are referring too, but I assure you that we do the best we can to tend to the playerbase. The community is my primary concern and the biggest reason why I'm a Staff member for this game. If a FM or Ingame Mod abuse their powers we make sure we tell them that they have made a mistake and warn them not to do things like that again. Sometimes debates are locked because they get 'heated' and insults start getting thrown, or there's another reason like the thread is starting to be spammed. Also, don't forget that people can lock their own threads.
Can you link me to the thread that's bothering you? Also link me to any other threads that you see something wrong with and I'll tend to it.
If you are talking about the thread: "About illigal names" then I have to wonder if you're joking. Firstly, the thread was being spammed and filled with empty arguments not intended to change anything. Half of the arguments were just jokes to troll the thread. Also Allie wasn't going to change anything in the end anyways, because it's her call - she wasn't silencing a debate she was basically saying "Sorry, decisions final - locked". I hope that satisfies you, but still, let me know if there's any more problems.
I'm not sure but i think he is talking about this topic
http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,29761.0.html (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,29761.0.html)
if he is i agree with him.
Then... @ian
Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 06:36:53 AMIf you are talking about the thread: "About illigal names" then I have to wonder if you're joking. Firstly, the thread was being spammed and filled with empty arguments not intended to change anything. Half of the arguments were just jokes to troll the thread. Also Allie wasn't going to change anything in the end anyways, because it's her call - she wasn't silencing a debate she was basically saying "Sorry, decisions final - locked". I hope that satisfies you, but still, let me know if there's any more problems.
i know it was being spammed, i won't call names *cough* Killerpig *Cough* but i still think the players also have rights to open their mind and clear that up in a post, by locking it you do not give me that chance, i think it would be better to warn the users that where spamming and if continued they should be given the warned status / or get a ban.
the point of the thread was pretty clear and those "Trolls" where showing how dumb the name thing acctually is.
also i said there was no rule against the names which is probertly another reason to delete the name filter.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 07, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
i know it was being spammed, i won't call names *cough* Killerpig *Cough* but i still think the players also have rights to open their mind and clear that up in a post, by locking it you do not give me that chance, i think it would be better to warn the users that where spamming and if continued they should be given the warned status / or get a ban.
the point of the thread was pretty clear and those "Trolls" where showing how dumb the name thing acctually is.
also i said there was no rule against the names which is probertly another reason to delete the name filter.
Well, it's pretty much that. Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean that you should. I'm not arguing that the decision to institute a filter is wrong and damaging inherently, but the justification for locking that thread when it was clear that people did have objections to what happened and virtually no one in the thread supported it was pretty...petty sounding. Like this man up here says, why not ban people instead of preventing people from discussing things that the community cares about? Why, if the community cares about something enough to debate about it and think that it's ridiculous would it be locked and someone say that debate was over so quickly?
The point is that, I'm closing this because this isn't worthy of debate, I've made up my mind, thread locked...is a horrible thing to say if you want to build up something with your playerbase. If, Sorry, decisions final - locked". I still would have been pretty annoyed, but it would have at least been BETTER.
bashie 4 mod,
ty 4 all support
People weren't just stating their opinions. They were bashing a choice that was made and was absolutely final, all you were going to hear was "this is stupid I disagree with this" >_>
name censor is still bad
Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
People weren't just stating their opinions. They were bashing a choice that was made and was absolutely final, all you were going to hear was "this is stupid I disagree with this" >_>
Why is it a final choice? Why is it so inflexible when it was met with such contempt and derision? If all you were going to hear was that, why did you make the decision? I can't see what's wrong with debating something or even bitching about it. That seems to be what this section of the forums is here for. I CAN see what's wrong with making a decision that no one is defending but the moderation, who refuse to discuss the matter and just say "done". But even if you didn't want to debate it, there's no real reason to close it. This isn't a debate forum, this is a rants and feedback forum. If you want to complain about people giving bad feedback, don't make decisions that no one likes. I think that's the purpose of one of these things, right? Players talk about things they don't like so that the administration can take a look what what the players want.
I don't understand why this decision was made if the players don't like it. I mean, we're the ones who are going to be playing it, and there hasn't been a real justification for this, no explanation to why this is needed so badly that you can go against the majority on this issue, but EVEN ignoring that, there's no real justification for closing the topic because everyone would bitch about it, because that's what this forum is FOR.
I'll just reply to one segment of your post, since the rest of it is up to Allie, not me.
You think we should just make decisions that the players wanted? We'd make the most well-liked player a staff member, who wouldn't do anything. Our events would give our the best items, and we wouldn't have any rules... we'd do things that are dumb :/ We make decisions that are best for the game, not for the playerbase specifically.
Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 02:45:12 PM
I'll just reply to one segment of your post, since the rest of it is up to Allie, not me.
You think we should just make decisions that the players wanted? We'd make the most well-liked player a staff member, who wouldn't do anything. Our events would give our the best items, and we wouldn't have any rules... we'd do things that are dumb :/ We make decisions that are best for the game, not for the playerbase specifically.
I understand not always pandering to players. That's why I said that there's not a good justification. In my mind, generally speaking, players should have a bit of power of the games that they play, at least collectively, and when it comes to decisions like this that are basically about the community and the environment of it, I should think that the people who make up that community and mold the environment how they like would be an important voice.
This really is an issue about philosophy, about what players find important and what they'd rather give up to have something else versus...what the administration thinks is important and what they'd rather give up on their behalf. It's rather baffling to me. It's not like this is a G environment. People swear in games all the time, playful banter is somewhat vulgar, and things like that. When you have an environment like that, it doesn't make sense to try to do things to limit it, not in that way, or limit it without that community having much sway in how it's limited or knowing why it should be limited in detail when that community seems to not want to be limited in that way.
And what's more, this is an entirely different type of situation than one influencing gameplay, where people might not know by default or might not be experienced enough to determine what is best for the game in that particular situation. This is an entirely different beast.
Last edit, I swear on me mother's grave.
dayum
i like this guy
Too many points for just one topic that got prematurely locked.
People may debate all they want, but the thread was overrun by trolling and arguments. Corr was arguing with Allie about something that really couldnt be argued against because it was a troll-argument, he couldn't be punished by that, everyone else who was 'spamming' was still contributing to a degree.
The thread gets locked when it looks lost, there were like 5+ people ruining the thread and no one seemed to really care at that point. It was pretty much completely discussed by page 3-4 >_>
Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 03:08:36 PM
Too many points for just one topic that got prematurely locked.
People may debate all they want, but the thread was overrun by trolling and arguments. Corr was arguing with Allie about something that really couldnt be argued against because it was a troll-argument, he couldn't be punished by that, everyone else who was 'spamming' was still contributing to a degree.
The thread gets locked when it looks lost, there were like 5+ people ruining the thread and no one seemed to really care at that point. It was pretty much completely discussed by page 3-4 >_>
Well, this wasn't just about that topic, although that was the example that was clear, because being new here, I have to go by what the community says and old forum topics for my broader point. I'd like my points to really be addressed. Buuuut because I can't help myself sometimes...
The last ten posts or so were joke comparisons to show that offense is subjective and all that good stuff. The bulk of the thread was filled with real opinions submitted fairly respectfully. A post saying, "Okay, we get it, let's get back on topic" would have been sufficient, but instead, "This topic isn't worthy of discussion". Overkill isn't a strong enough word for this situation. There wasn't any real interaction or debate involved from the modstaff. There was, "Tits is block, sorry". And, "These words have been added to the list", but no one really stopped to talk to the players at all to justify why there even had to be a block list, and their points were ignored. And in any case, that doesn't nullify the point that even if the administration just didn't care about what we thought and didn't want to talk to us about it, this is a rants and feedback forum, and you have to expect that when you go there, especially in a thread focused on a decision that few seem to support, you're going to have people who are less than pleased.
We're aware of that... and the majority of us didn't respond because it had nothing to do with us. You're generalizing, and that's not really fair >.>
That whole thread was one big joke.
Nobody took it seriously and it was only being spammed by people mocking it.
Before Allie locked it, I gave a final warning to everyone to stop taking the thread as a joke, they continued so Allie locked it.
In the end Corr was the reason the thread was locked, not us.
Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
We're aware of that... and the majority of us didn't respond because it had nothing to do with us. You're generalizing, and that's not really fair >.>
Be more specific. What are you aware of, and what had nothing to do with "us"? I don't know who you're referring to. And how am I generalizing?
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 07, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
That whole thread was one big joke.
Nobody took it seriously and it was only being spammed by people mocking it.
Before Allie locked it, I gave a final warning to everyone to stop taking the thread as a joke, they continued so Allie locked it.
In the end Corr was the reason the thread was locked, not us.
That's demonstrably wrong. People DID take a seriously. It was only at the end that people got a little crazy with their comparisons being the sole content of their posts. In fact, I remember you saying that people should not "transform it" into a joke. I admit that the posts after yours were a bit iffy, and I could see people being banned or given warning or whatever system of demerits you have going around here, but locking the topic just seems strange to me.
it's the same as blocking somebody ingame, which was as i remember from Johnny like one of the worst things you can do.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 07, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
That whole thread was one big joke.
Nobody took it seriously and it was only being spammed by people mocking it.
Before Allie locked it, I gave a final warning to everyone to stop taking the thread as a joke, they continued so Allie locked it.
In the end Corr was the reason the thread was locked, not us.
I look it seriously, censorship should not happen in a game like this, albeit, some words yes, but what I posted as an example was the same as what Selene posted. Stupid names are being censored for STUPID reasons. Hence why I countered, thread didn't get locked because of me, it got locked because you ran out of things to say which killed your arguement.
Mods lock threads for 2 reasons:
They can't debate with the player base so they need to get the last word by locking.
They're power hungry.
Their is no reason for said thread.
Quote from: Corr on September 08, 2012, 02:00:29 AM
Their is no reason for said thread.
Why do you always use the wrong 'There'?
::)
Skipped that lesson.
XD There, you happy now?! :P
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 07, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
In the end Corr was the reason the thread was locked, not us.
replying to such thread by giving fault to anyone else is not professional
Quote from: Corr on September 08, 2012, 02:00:29 AMMods lock threads for 2 reasons:
1. They can't debate with the player base so they need to get the last word by locking.
2. They're power hungry.
3. Their is no reason for said thread.
Yup, 2 reasons.
That thread was a rant transformed into a joke by people like you.
I gave a final warning to everyone to stop mocking the thread, but you continued to reply in the same way.
Why would the thread not be locked?
People like you would keep replying with stupid reasons only to look cool, stupid reasons that wouldn't be taken into consideration, making the whole thread spam.
You're directing all this at me, why, I don't know. I directed it on you because after my warning killerpig stopped, instead you continued posting in the same way.
I agree with Corr on the first part
Quote from: HyperShadic6 on September 08, 2012, 07:44:57 AM
Actually it was closed because it wasnt worth debating Grim...
I agree with Corr
Wrong. Read posts before you post yourself >_>
sowwy.
Wasnt reading right lol
just open the post and let us debate, if people keep trolling the thread give them warn status.
The "trolling" that was happening still contributed, but at the same time was just an opening for hundreds of useless replies. The arguments were on-topic but were crammed with off-topic statements that would just lure other people into arguing with the off-topic stuff.. plus like I said the debate was basically just everyone saying "we dont want this we dont want that". That's not rly a debate.
y is everyone always so srs
everytime i read something here i see you guy's faces like dis:
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/98b/2be/3b3/resized/angry-man-meme-generator-mother****er-i-ll-kill-you-96776d.jpg?1315543486.jpg)
makes me sad :'(
Quote from: Santa on September 08, 2012, 08:51:55 AM
y is everyone always so srs
everytime i read something here i see you guy's faces like dis:
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/98b/2be/3b3/resized/angry-man-meme-generator-mother****er-i-ll-kill-you-96776d.jpg?1315543486.jpg)
makes me sad :'(
(http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/4693/yo-*****-sup.jpg)
I'm rlly sad right now :[
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
The "trolling" that was happening still contributed, but at the same time was just an opening for hundreds of useless replies. The arguments were on-topic but were crammed with off-topic statements that would just lure other people into arguing with the off-topic stuff.. plus like I said the debate was basically just everyone saying "we dont want this we dont want that". That's not rly a debate.
It was not a debate thread. No mod debated with us. It was a feedback thread. And what do you mean, it would lure people into arguing with the off-topic, stuff? It was clear what they were trying to do...
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 07:21:55 AM
Quote from: Corr on September 08, 2012, 02:00:29 AMMods lock threads for 2 reasons:
1. They can't debate with the player base so they need to get the last word by locking.
2. They're power hungry.
3. Their is no reason for said thread.
Yup, 2 reasons.
That thread was a rant transformed into a joke by people like you.
I gave a final warning to everyone to stop mocking the thread, but you continued to reply in the same way.
Why would the thread not be locked?
People like you would keep replying with stupid reasons only to look cool, stupid reasons that wouldn't be taken into consideration, making the whole thread spam.
You're directing all this at me, why, I don't know. I directed it on you because after my warning killerpig stopped, instead you continued posting in the same way.
Because you're a mod, and it's your job to be able to access the situation and react accordingly. Labeling those posts as mocking the thread, saying that those reasons were stupid and that they were posted only to look cool, saying that a few posts makes a whole thread spam, saying that those reasons wouldn't be taken into consideration when you have yet to address why the reasons are flawed...
I don't think this is a good showing that you can do that.
To sum up my answer for this entire thing, whether you agree with it or not, it was locked for a good reason in our eyes and if it was me I would have done the same thing. We don't really HAVE to give our reason for locking it to you, but we saw the thread as a dead spam thread. Also, yes Ian said the thread was for debating, mods aren't here to debate with you. I think you guys need to read each others posts before you try and correct mine...
when did i said it was a debating thread? i said i made the thread to speak my mind to show how dumb the idea of illigal names was. later i responded and said: "open the post and let us debate" or something close to that.
Is it not common sense to label posts like "i think pig should be censored because vegetarians might find offensive" or "Selene should be censored too because it's the name of a porn star" as mocking, as useless, as stupid?
Is it not common sense that their reasons are stupid and can't be taken into consideration?
You said that I labeled the whole thread because of a few posts, yet more than half of the thread was filled with posts like those.
yo how about some tl;dr ? just noticed that topic and dont feel like reading through 3 pages where every post has 500 letters
Ian u said u wanted to debate on the thread. The whole thing u guys have been implying is that u wanted to debate ur logic there, and Yz is only saying that there was no debating happening. Why would opening it up make it any different? What has changed?, you've spoken up about a lock and now this means u wont shit all over a thread? Ya'll are being too passionate about this, revolting against staff is just dumb when they have responded 2 everything you want. I rly dont think they are going to unlock it, and their point (and yours) have both been made, what else do u want? They won't unlock it, they think there was reason, and u want better reason and want it unlocked. It's rude 2 try and tell someone that their opinion is wrong, and so long as the staffs judgement doesnt affect the community in a harsh way I don't have a probem atall. The thread already had a warn on it and the spam shit continued, so the thread was due for a lock. What more is there 2 say? Get over it, they had a reason to in their mind and it wasn't anything 2 do with power abuse or not wanting to argue back with us.
Also wanted 2 add I read the thread n I hope u know Allie was implying it wasn't worth debating w/Corr, right? Not with anyone else, it wasnt about the thread. That's like her saying that the thread is done n shes not going to argue with Corr, wat he said was just hostile and replying to it wouldnt have done any good. I saw a lot of the crap posted there nd it was call for a lock imho. Stop sticking up 4 ur opinions so much it's not going to do anything but cause shitstorms, which is the opposite of what you want right??
Community shouldn't be catered too as much as you want it 2 be when they themselves are ****ing their own threads up.
a tl;dr it's just a thread. Staffs opinion is that it was time to lock it, ur opinion is otherwise. Don't tell people their opinions are wrong, you won't get anywhere.
Quote from: wxx on September 08, 2012, 12:05:47 PM
Ian u said u wanted to debate on the thread. The whole thing u guys have been implying is that u wanted to debate ur logic there, and Yz is only saying that there was no debating happening. Why would opening it up make it any different? What has changed?, you've spoken up about a lock and now this means u wont shit all over a thread? Ya'll are being too passionate about this, revolting against staff is just dumb when they have responded 2 everything you want. I rly dont think they are going to unlock it, and their point (and yours) have both been made, what else do u want? They won't unlock it, they think there was reason, and u want better reason and want it unlocked. It's rude 2 try and tell someone that their opinion is wrong, and so long as the staffs judgement doesnt affect the community in a harsh way I don't have a probem atall. The thread already had a warn on it and the spam shit continued, so the thread was due for a lock. What more is there 2 say? Get over it, they had a reason to in their mind and it wasn't anything 2 do with power abuse or not wanting to argue back with us.
Also wanted 2 add I read the thread n I hope u know Allie was implying it wasn't worth debating w/Corr, right? Not with anyone else, it wasnt about the thread. That's like her saying that the thread is done n shes not going to argue with Corr, wat he said was just hostile and replying to it wouldnt have done any good. I saw a lot of the crap posted there nd it was call for a lock imho. Stop sticking up 4 ur opinions so much it's not going to do anything but cause shitstorms, which is the opposite of what you want right??
Community shouldn't be catered too as much as you want it 2 be when they themselves are ****ing their own threads up.
a tl;dr it's just a thread. Staffs opinion is that it was time to lock it, ur opinion is otherwise. Don't tell people their opinions are wrong, you won't get anywhere.
stop kissing the feets of the staff members, they are not any better then us. they just have powers and im trying to show that this is something that shouldn't have happend, and yes we where "Sh*tting on the thread" but we made a joke of something that has no point.
the "Spam" post we made showed how dumb it is, not to troll the other users.
They are not but they make the call here n we don't. The spam posts were call for a lock kid, learn how a forum works, n I don't care what the staff think of me.
What is so hard to understand Ian?
I said no more spam, they continued spamming, it got locked.
Spamming is against the rules, I did you and everyone else who posted in that thread a favor for locking it and not warning/muting everyone.
Why is it so hard to comprehend?
The point is that this topic is not about the spamming, it is about the lock. i don't care if you warned me or muted me if i did spammed, the post is locked because of a few idiots posting shit on the topic. it is unfair for the players that took the thread serious, as i created the thread with a serious reason because there was just no logic behind the name rule.
The situation in question (regarding inappropriate names) is a decision that we've gone by for years, however only recently have been strictly enforcing. Given this, we are fine with you guys talking amongst yourselves, but if it's going to be a serious thread regarding the situation, than I expect all seriousness.
The thread which was locked was spammed by people who took it as a joke. As the thread itself was a rant, and everyone in the thread was taking such rant a joke, it is not worth my or anyone's time to bother argue about it. Any logical person rightfully understands why such precautions to inappropriate names are taken, and I can't agree more on each and every one of our censors. Our censors are not an opinion.
I met a seven year old playing BoutCheetah yesterday. He's level 221 and he's been playing for months. Have you ever heard a seven year old in real life who curses and knows everything about sex already? I have, but I'm not going to support teaching it to them in my game, for one less of those kinds of kids, and one more of an actually productive child is more beneficial (as well as better for the reputation) to (of) our game.
I want to say that I am uninterested in debating you on anything you're about to reply to this statement, and I just wanted to get my reasoning towards you. Judging by your posts, I can already see that you're going to ramble on about anything and everything tangent to my actual post at hand. I hope to see you enjoying our game just like the rest of us in the meantime.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 08, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
The point is that this topic is not about the spamming, it is about the lock. i don't care if you warned me or muted me if i did spammed, the post is locked because of a few idiots posting shit on the topic. it is unfair for the players that took the thread serious, as i created the thread with a serious reason because there was just no logic behind the name rule.
Wtf.
"
i think we should add animals to the block list.
cow
pig
chicken
cat
dog
bird
horse
<all other animals>"
"L00000000000000000000000000000000000l"
"Colours should be censored, some people could see colours like black and yellow as racisme." These are ur posts. You dont deserve acknowledgement, if u rly think you are in the right then you will NEVER see our points of views nor will we see yours. You shit in your own thread and it got locked, congraz.
never said i didn't spammed and made a joke about the thread, i said before: the "trolls" made in the topic where showing how dumb it was. im not going to spend more attention at this because im okay with Allie's reaction. i will just respond on dumb comments like yours wxx.
Nice, u avoided what I said and just said my post was dumb. Very mature, and this is y u deserve ur own thread, jk. But the points been made, Bashie is the only intelligent user fighting for ur cause, so until he replies there's no need to check up on this.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 08, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
never said i didn't spammed and made a joke about the thread, i said before: the "trolls" made in the topic where showing how dumb it was. im not going to spend more attention at this because im okay with Allie's reaction. i will just respond on dumb comments like yours wxx.
Bad argument is bad.
You said that idiots spammed your thread yet you spammed it yourself, you then say that the post which proved you wrong is stupid.
Disappointed Ian. Spammed your own thread and qq'd about it getting locked, then insulting Galacti before he even insulted you, twice xD
i never said i didn't spammed it, i will said it for the 3rd time now ok?
i will tell once more what the point of the topic was, i was showing this name filter has no sense, it is just useless. Allie replied here and explained why there is a filter. that was all i wanted to know.
Then you can't qq about the thread being locked or qq about other people spamming on it, which was MY point.
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:30:38 PM
Then you can't qq about the thread being locked or qq about other people spamming on it, which was MY point.
You shouldn't lock threads because people spam it. you could also give me the warned status and let other keep posting on it. i wouldn't care anyway.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 08, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:30:38 PM
Then you can't qq about the thread being locked or qq about other people spamming on it, which was MY point.
You shouldn't lock threads because people spam it. you could also give me the warned status and let other keep posting on it. i wouldn't care anyway.
That's YOUR opinion. We lock threads that have gone to shit ie even to the point the thread maker is spamming. There was no point in it being there, it was just constant spam and trolling to the point you stopped caring.
Just stop replying man, you're saying your opinion with no data/facts behind it, which is just cramming this thread like all your others >_<
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 08, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:30:38 PM
Then you can't qq about the thread being locked or qq about other people spamming on it, which was MY point.
You shouldn't lock threads because people spam it. you could also give me the warned status and let other keep posting on it. i wouldn't care anyway.
That's YOUR opinion. We lock threads that have gone to shit ie even to the point the thread maker is spamming. There was no point in it being there, it was just constant spam and trolling to the point you stopped caring.
Just stop replying man, you're saying your opinion with no data/facts behind it, which is just cramming this thread like all your others >_<
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
That's YOUR opinion.
Nope, it's how the staff does things and how we'll do it forever and ever. In your opinion we do it wrong, but that won't change a thing.
Thought that was smart, eh? lawl.
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
Nope, it's how the staff does things and how we'll do it forever and ever. In your opinion we do it wrong, but that won't change a thing.
Thought that was smart, eh? lawl.
ok now i will stop replying.
Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2012, 12:14:53 PM
The situation in question (regarding inappropriate names) is a decision that we've gone by for years, however only recently have been strictly enforcing. Given this, we are fine with you guys talking amongst yourselves, but if it's going to be a serious thread regarding the situation, than I expect all seriousness.
The thread which was locked was spammed by people who took it as a joke. As the thread itself was a rant, and everyone in the thread was taking such rant a joke, it is not worth my or anyone's time to bother argue about it. Any logical person rightfully understands why such precautions to inappropriate names are taken, and I can't agree more on each and every one of our censors. Our censors are not an opinion.
I met a seven year old playing BoutCheetah yesterday. He's level 221 and he's been playing for months. Have you ever heard a seven year old in real life who curses and knows everything about sex already? I have, but I'm not going to support teaching it to them in my game, for one less of those kinds of kids, and one more of an actually productive child is more beneficial (as well as better for the reputation) to (of) our game.
I want to say that I am uninterested in debating you on anything you're about to reply to this statement, and I just wanted to get my reasoning towards you. Judging by your posts, I can already see that you're going to ramble on about anything and everything tangent to my actual post at hand. I hope to see you enjoying our game just like the rest of us in the meantime.
I wanted to make this topic because I was frustrated with the way things were handled in that situation, and I saw that this kind of thing wasn't exactly uncommon. I wanted to see if this was a community that I could actually be a part of. But...
> everyone in the thread was taking such rant a joke, it is not worth my or anyone's time to bother argue about it.
Not being able to differentiate between a thread or different posters' views on issues with the issues themselves...
>Any logical person rightfully understands why such precautions to inappropriate names are taken, and I can't agree more on each and every one of our censors.
Branding everyone who disagrees with you as illogical...
>Our censors are not an opinion.
Arrogance that is just plain wrong...
>I want to say that I am uninterested in debating you on anything you're about to reply to this statement, and I just wanted to get my reasoning towards you. Judging by your posts, I can already see that you're going to ramble on about anything and everything tangent to my actual post at hand.
Being a massive ****...
I'd say no. I'd say that I could not deal with the moderation being so petty, immature, and just plain mean for me to be invested in any sort of community.
Your stance on whether or not there should be a name filter is an opinion, like it or not. Being able to codify that opinion does not make it valid and does not provide any justification for your argument. Any logical person understands that they need to back up there points with evidence and logic, not just say that they are correct. People in the thread did care for a long while, and no matter how much you'd like to pretend that every single post was spam and that no one was taking anything seriously but the OP, there's actual evidence in the posts themselves that show that this is demonstrably wrong.
You did not want for me to understand your "reasoning". The only thing that you provided in that regard was, "I'm right because I'm right, and we don't want more of THOSE kids around," which is pretty bereft of logic...
You wanted to be petty. You wanted to insult me, assert your power over me, then leave before I could reply. No, I don't think you're professional and that you have the community in mind at all.
You are an asshole.
Most of these posts, correct me if I'm wrong, have the justification of, "We can do whatever we want, and we will, and you won't change our minds." If you want to run your game like that, feel free. But I do not feel like it is an environment particularly open to community involvement or friendly to it.
Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
To sum up my answer for this entire thing, whether you agree with it or not, it was locked for a good reason in our eyes and if it was me I would have done the same thing. We don't really HAVE to give our reason for locking it to you, but we saw the thread as a dead spam thread. Also, yes Ian said the thread was for debating, mods aren't here to debate with you. I think you guys need to read each others posts before you try and correct mine...
My points are not intrinsically tied to his. They are not legitimized or debunked based on what he says. Our posts, positions, and points, while similar, are not the same.
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
Is it not common sense to label posts like "i think pig should be censored because vegetarians might find offensive" or "Selene should be censored too because it's the name of a porn star" as mocking, as useless, as stupid?
Is it not common sense that their reasons are stupid and can't be taken into consideration?
You said that I labeled the whole thread because of a few posts, yet more than half of the thread was filled with posts like those.
They're mocking, yeah. Useless? At a certain point, when multiple people just used those comparisons as the sole content of their posts. Stupid? 100%.
But woah, woah, woah. They're reasons are stupid? Stop right there, mate. Their reasoning was that offense is subjective, and that's solid. It should be taken into consideration, and I argue that it is one of the stronger arguments against this decision.
Last edit. I felt as if I should reply to everyone who responded to me, because I'm OCD like that. ^_^
I made a bet with Tricky. A bet that you would pick out specific points in my wall that I made specifically to see what you'd do.
I won that bet. You ignored my reasoning behind the censor itself, and chose to antagonize me instead.
I'll leave you off on this note: if you made a petition that seven year olds should be branded for life with sexual references on an online childs game I'll change it back. If you don't see that this is obviously not the right place to have a sex chat with a friend, you're not worth debating.
^And this is why I locked the previous thread. Good day, and I'd like to remind you of the rules on flaming another player.
You are joking, are you not?
You're pretty much saying that the community should decide administrative stuff?
Lets see a scenarion where the community decides most of the things.
You go in pvp, you get shoot for 142k dmg by dark meto.
Everyone is lvl 221 and winning every map in less than a minute.
I can go on and on.
There is a reason for why the community has no say in some things.
The only reason for why they don't agree with the censor is because they want to run around with names like Penis.
Yes, sure, let's have people named like ****, that will surely make this game look so proffesional.
Tell me a game in which the Administration is asking the community what to do every single time.
The only reason this thread was made is because you want to prove Allie wrong. You couldn't care less about the thread.
this shit aint over
when i get home ill respond for real
i read the whole thread but i didnt really understand much
if what hawk said, that people started to spam on it even after a warning i kinda agree with the lock
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
The only reason this thread was made is because you want to prove Allie wrong. You couldn't care less about the thread.
wtf
instead of just blindly repeating points and accusing people of shit they didnt do, just stop omg
Quote from: KillerPig on September 08, 2012, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
The only reason this thread was made is because you want to prove Allie wrong. You couldn't care less about the thread.
wtf
instead of just blindly repeating points and accusing people of shit they didnt do, just stop omg
now i agree with pig
I swear there been too much talk about this. It's crazy :'(
If this was Acclaim u'd all get banned lol
this is why we can't have nice things >_>
uh like anyone forgot how a country has laws and a community should have at least respectable rules?
In order for a group of people to actually be a group, there's always going to be a leader who really, gets the final say. You should respect that. Censorship for in game player's names ARE necessary. Seriously, it's immature to even argue against this.
Yoshi, you explained a dictator, i thought this forum was.
Democracy
(http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/Themes/ShadowLurking/images/warnwarn.gif) Warned for spamming in your thread. For more details talk to Allie/Yz.
Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 08, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
Yoshi, you explained a dictator, i thought this forum was.
Democracy
(http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/Themes/ShadowLurking/images/warnwarn.gif) Warned for spamming in your thread. For more details talk to Allie/Yz.
Democratic governments have leaders; the United States have had 44 presidents. The United States, home of democracy has rules and laws for citizens to respect and follow. Learn what the term "Dictatorship" actually refer to before you bring it up.
Stop going off topic.
One of the rules.
I wouldve just moved the topic to spam thread. Lol
read the whole thing
uhm not on anyone's side , but my thread got locked before cause fireY was being a child , which i did not appreciate at all , i'd rather have his posts deleted then my thread locked , because it was a legitimate thread
link here (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,28960.0.html)
back on topic , i find locking someone's thread because a random person was acting like a child something retarded , a person should not pay for someone else's stupidity
Quote from: mo9 on September 08, 2012, 03:59:50 PM
read the whole thing
uhm not on anyone's side , but my thread got locked before cause fireY was being a child , which i did not appreciate at all , i'd rather have his posts deleted then my thread locked , because it was a legitimate thread
link here (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,28960.0.html)
back on topic , i find locking someone's thread because a random person was acting like a child something retarded , a person should not pay for someone else's stupidity
Are you joking. Seriously, are you.
the one thing I hate about this community is that they only see 1 side of everything >_> Half of that thread is "Allie is bad ararara" and most of that is over Pigs ban which was validly placed. I locked it for that reason. But thanks for just making it seem like a personal problem of mine ._.
how is this still going on?
Problem: staff is locking topics because of someone breaking rules.
Solution: punish the people who're breaking the rules instead of locking the whole thread (you have a warning system and you can delete single posts)
We got a problem and the solution which makes this thread useless and everyone is going off topic now.
I suggest locking this thread and getting back to normal again.
If another thing like this happens the person who has a problem can make another thread where it can be maturely discussed.
Tricky misunderstood my side and went mad so I gotta make something clear.
I completely support the staff's decision for locking the threads.
However it came only that far that the threads needed to be locked because the people who started spamming/going off topic didn't get warned or their posts didn't get removed.
I give you an example.
Pig made that off topic joke and Ian continued with those jokes, then the next one made another one etc.
However if pig his post was deleted noone would have continued following pig and the thread wouldn't get trashed.
So yeah, the staff just needs to instantly remove those posts or warn the people instead of doing nothing till the thread is ruined and lock it then.
FM NEO FTW !!!! 8)
think about it this way peeps, lets say you have a little child playing BoutCheetah, do you want them playing in a sector match with someone named ImGoingTo****You, or SuckMy****. Tons of games have these kinds of sensors. It is necessary. Get over it. If you don't like it, simply bypass it by doing SuckMyD1ck and get banned.
@Pig
I'm saying this from all three of us admins, who have all come to a similar conclusion.
We gave you another chance to forum here, from a ban that shouldn't have been lifted, and all you do is start trouble and call us wrong in every argument you can find. Here is the official warning you're looking for: forum like a normal player and stay out of trouble. If you argue against Zylon Gaming again, we will ban you.
This is an agreement between all three of us admins, not just me. I'm just the one whose finally going to post it.
We didn't unban you so you could start more trouble.
yea i was unbanned and im really happy u did. i didnt really expect it and i do look up to u (at least more than i did before) now.
im not trying to make u look bad or start trouble. i just think the whole idea is stupid : |
I understand entirely what this thread is about, and I think the point has been made, everyone whose going to read this already has.
I'm going to lock it. If a lock legitimately bothers you, PM a staff member (higher-up is better) with a reason, and we'll clean up the thread instead. We do not lock without reason, and we're sorry if you feel that way.