You all knew this was coming. Anyways, I just wanted to mention a few things with regard to the previous 17 page long debacle of a discussion about PVP rankings/history/etc.
What many people don't seem to address or even consider when comparing the old generation with the current generation is one, the pool of talent and two, the knowledge base of the players, which dovetail into each other indefinitely. Before I retired here on BC, the aforementioned pool was much deeper than it was in 06' and 07. Because of the individuals who were willing to instruct new players and pass knowledge on, we have a somewhat decent PVP community here. This wasn't the case in 06', 07' and even early 08'. The talent pool was abysmal at the very best on the original Acclaim server. There were a few top tier players, and even then, these high tier players lacked the knowledge required to ever become "the best". In 07' and early 08', I was one of these players. Then, in late 08', came the onslaught of PVP guilds, where knowledge was passed around (I'll talk about this in a bit) and the community strengthened exponentially (Sanctuary, Death_Factor, etc.). The best drew from each other's talents and built their own skill sets. We had our arguments; however, we respected each other and enjoyed the competition. We entered rooms of 8 and watched as each of us took a turn in round robin tournaments to decide who was the best at the time. Save a few delusional individuals, we all knew who was the best and what needed to be done to become better. Yes, in 07' and early 08', S_A was indeed the best PVP in the game. I'm not going to take anything away from the man -- he held the most knowledge and detail about the intricacies of the game (more than anyone at the time).
Then, myself and Saphira decided to sit in a room together for probably 2 hours and delve into the gaps of our knowledge in an attempt to better ourselves. During these two hours, we discovered the glitches that only S_A possessed, amongst other things. We made a promise to never let these secrets out; however, I broke this promise when I made Sanctuary. Unlike S_A and Saphira, I wanted to spread this knowledge to better our community and better the game. I was sick of defeating all but one individual. I wanted more competition. I wanted more fun. And as time past, I developed my own abilities and skills that were independent of what anyone had seen in the game. I have no one else to thank for this but those I trained, who gave me great games so that I could hone my skills further in an attempt to acquire the top rank. To be as concise as I can with the inaccurate description of S_A's skills with regard to the information zeitgeist within BOTS!!, I'll describe the following situation. In late 08' / early 09', I had been beating S_A 50/50 for quite some time during our private 1v1 matches. We were both very curious who was the better PVP. We decided to do a best of 5.. I won 3 games straight, surviving in red, orange and orange respectively. Despite having an identical skill set and an account belonging to S_A himself, this avatar (who was really S_A) claimed that he wasn't S_A, but rather, his cousin playing on his account. Now, this may bring back a few memories about certain players (Nitex, for instance) -- certain people cannot handle losing big matches. They consistently find an excuse for why it is happening. S_A was no different. However, no one had the opportunity to see this side of him, save myself at the time, as I was the only one capable of bringing him down at a consistent level in 1v1 matches. At this moment, he was no different than Nitex.
The purpose of these details isn't to kick S_A while hes not around, it's to emphasize the importance of the information transition within this game (the only reason I was able to become better and beat S_A). It is ridiculous to hold S_A as the "gold standard" today, when, during his time, he denied himself competition by refusing to share his secrets with others. He lived in a time where the best player external from the group that consistently played together was a newb. Times have changed; The talent pool is greater; We all understand the game better. During our best of 5, even my knowledge was infantile compared to what it is today (continual information dissemination). Many of you now would fare better than even I did then during our best of 5. This is something many of you seem to leave out when describing the "best PVP ever". His time was then. Your time is now at a very different stage in the game's development. The players today have knowledge and information at their hands that we never had in the game's early stages. Comparing then to now simply can't be done (it is an ENORMOUS fallacy). A great analogy to this is Mixed Martial Arts. The sport has evolved so greatly, the talent pool has increased so much, that the best of 10 years ago wouldn't stand a chance in hell against the best today (there is simply so much potential that is readily developed and refined with the new-age techniques and information that those who previously held this information to themselves would be out shined). Many of you are living a dream, a delusion; you've never moved on. It's time to move on and admit to ourselves that the old generation of players (06', 07' and 08') simply can't compare to the best of today with the current knowledge available. The PVP realm within this game is an information war. Those who have it succeed; those without it fail. Anyone can press buttons. With timing and this information, you have a great chance at making it into the top tier.
So, can we all stop arguing about who is the best? Go in-game and show it to each other. Honesty is something we all held in high esteem during the old days of play (most of us). Today, it simply seems that lies, a sharp tongue on the forum, and yes, even lag (Tricky [remember, I've seen you play without it]), can make you a top tier player.
Your back!
i knew you'd come back after seeing that pvp topic
you never saw me without lag. it's kinda gay how you keep saying that, even though i was literally alt+tabbed and in the bottom corner while you type hit me the whole game (which is why i will always respect voos opinion over yours)
I agree with everything, but until anyone here can accomplish things that S_A accomplished (like winning 1v3s that he did) then none of them are at his level IMO.
OMG YESS !!
sup opti
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
you never saw me without lag. it's kinda gay how you keep saying that, even though i was literally alt+tabbed and in the bottom corner while you type hit me the whole game (which is why i will always respect voos opinion over yours)
I agree with everything, but until anyone here can accomplish things that S_A accomplished (like winning 1v3s that he did) then none of them are at his level IMO.
You didn't read a thing did you.
I'll give you an example of opti's logic.
Back in the day, S_A was among the best. Everyone but him were newbs.
It's like beating random newbies who aren't known as good pvpers in 1v3s. I fail to understand how this makes him any good ??????
I read everything. -_-
I don't care to reply to it all at 5 AM. S_A was above everyone and did things no one else could do, there's no chance everyone just got better overnight.
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
I read everything. -_-
I don't care to reply to it all at 5 AM. S_A was above everyone and did things no one else could do, there's no chance everyone just got better overnight.
Except that it wasn't overnight. It was over the course of six ****ing years.
How about one pvp round with djballslap eh?
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
OMG YESS !!
Remember when I came to BoutCheetah and won a 1vs7?
You guys blow, which is why I was able to do this (BACK THEN).
The same can be said for S_A. His talent pool was even worse than the one here, which is why it was easy to beat people in a 1v3...
C'mon now. Bad logic is bad.
Quote from: Allie on September 16, 2012, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
you never saw me without lag. it's kinda gay how you keep saying that, even though i was literally alt+tabbed and in the bottom corner while you type hit me the whole game (which is why i will always respect voos opinion over yours)
I agree with everything, but until anyone here can accomplish things that S_A accomplished (like winning 1v3s that he did) then none of them are at his level IMO.
You didn't read a thing did you.
I'll give you an example of opti's logic.
Back in the day, S_A was among the best. Everyone but him were newbs.
It's like beating random newbies who aren't known as good pvpers in 1v3s. I fail to understand how this makes him any good ??????
those noobies were among one of the best pvpers in bots
wtf why am i even protecting this S_A figure. I've never even met him let alone seen him pvp
And over six ****ing years no one has done what he's done 8) ::)
@opti not the same sort of thing im talking about, lyric has done the same thing
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:09:17 PM
And over six ****ing years no one has done what he's done 8) ::)
@opti not the same sort of thing im talking about, lyric has done the same thing
No please. Please divulge into what you're talking about. I'd love to hear this story.
btw opti you'll shit to the top 5 current active pvpers in the game right now gaurentee :/
no **** your pvp chats lol
made me quit in the first place
only reason i ever get involved is cuz people have to bring me up, or say incredibly faulty knowledge
But your knowledge is the one that's faulty.
It's rtarded to assume that pvp hasn't advanced and you know it.
You just have the ones who aren't rtarded laughing at u lulz.
just proved you're retarded by saying i think pvp hasn't advanced
"you know it"
exactly, i do, thanks fer clarifying what we BOTH know
Hai opti ::)
thx
So we agree that S_A was top in his time. Now he's shit compared to the pvpers of today.
Even Imag would be able to wipe S_A out if he went back in time. This is basic logic and knowledge.
That's what this thread is about.
Quote from: Optimism on September 16, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
OMG YESS !!
Remember when I came to BoutCheetah and won a 1vs7?
You guys blow, which is why I was able to do this (BACK THEN).
The same can be said for S_A. His talent pool was even worse than the one here, which is why it was easy to beat people in a 1v3...
C'mon now. Bad logic is bad.
mo got better.
dunno all your different techs and fancy pancy stuff , but still i'd put up a decent fight ;o
could you make side notes of half of the words you used
no, i think it's like this
of S_As generation, he was the best by 8 billion miles
of this generation, there are like 5 people who are as good as each other and they are slightly better than the rest of BC
meaning S_A is a PvP phenomenon of his generation, which is why he will always be a legend ::)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/34t34mq.jpg)
Sup, Imag?
nice hack dewo
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
no, i think it's like this
of S_As generation, he was the best by 8 billion miles
of this generation, there are like 5 people who are as good as each other and they are slightly better than the rest of BC
meaning S_A is a PvP phenomenon of his generation, which is why he will always be a legend ::)
mainly because he knew stuff that no one else knew back then
i dunno wat i'm talking about :)
that's a fake ss
k.
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: Optimism on September 16, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
OMG YESS !!
Remember when I came to BoutCheetah and won a 1vs7?
You guys blow, which is why I was able to do this (BACK THEN).
The same can be said for S_A. His talent pool was even worse than the one here, which is why it was easy to beat people in a 1v3...
C'mon now. Bad logic is bad.
mo got better.
dunno all your different techs and fancy pancy stuff , but still i'd put up a decent fight ;o
PvP me later. I'm not as qualified as opti to judge but opti taught me for a good few months. I know and understand all the techniques, though can only pull them out without lag.
@Yz
That is understandable. But everyone, including you, keeps going "S_A is best gtfo".
Like no, lrnlogic&history plz.
He was best. Shit happened. Now he's not.
***** ***** says
dont these people realize that the whole pvp style in this game is so ****ing easy to master
you kill someone before they kill you
Tricky yoloniggr says
xD!
***** *****says
block a lot, hit them wen u can
use lag effectively
dont get hit
Tricky yoloniggr says
rly lold
at dat
lmao
***** ***** says
bam your s_a reincarnated
like ****, allies complicating it so much
--
you people are pulling this to some starcraft type shit. the basic mechanics of this game are that ****ing simple.
Quote from: Pokeh on September 16, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
***** ***** says
dont these people realize that the whole pvp style in this game is so ****ing easy to master
you kill someone before they kill you
Tricky yoloniggr says
xD!
***** ***** says
block a lot, hit them wen u can
use lag effectively
dont get hit
Tricky yoloniggr says
rly lold
at dat
lmao
***** ***** says
bam your s_a reincarnated
like ****, allies complicating it so much
--
you people are pulling this to some starcraft type shit. the basic mechanics of this game are that ****ing simple.
this
stupid techniques don't matter
the only 'techniques' you need to know - trans glitch, block glitch
and that's what makes me a better pvper than you overall (without abusing lag).
The actual techniques of the game is what allows you to win. The techniques are what made S_A so great in his time, he knew them and others didn't.
Thanks to expansion, over time everyone started learning them. That is how it turned from one great pvper to a lot of great pvpers. We're all advanced S_A's.
Even if you fail to comprehend this, you are using said techniques. It is natural to not think about it, but refusing to accept that you are is pretty wasteful.
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: Pokeh on September 16, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
***** ***** says
dont these people realize that the whole pvp style in this game is so ****ing easy to master
you kill someone before they kill you
Tricky yoloniggr says
xD!
***** ***** says
block a lot, hit them wen u can
use lag effectively
dont get hit
Tricky yoloniggr says
rly lold
at dat
lmao
***** ***** says
bam your s_a reincarnated
like ****, allies complicating it so much
--
you people are pulling this to some starcraft type shit. the basic mechanics of this game are that ****ing simple.
this
stupid techniques don't matter
the only 'techniques' you need to know - trans glitch, block glitch
^ok theres more than that but in all honesty you could be the best pvper ever in like 2 months
and ya, your no genius for figuring out this basic shit. so there's always going to be more than 1 person who's considered the best. and to top it all off, how much you lag and how well you play against lag i guess ranks these top players who gets this basic idea >_>
Tricky, this is why you sucked and suck.
:D
if you so great, why cant you beat my lag eh ::)
Incorrect, as Opti said there's two parts to PvP, and that's technique and skill.
By skill, I mean everything from personal timing to hand eye coordination, someone just may be better at that than others.
Having the techniques makes you able to defeat someone else who doesn't, but without the "skill" behind it to implement and use said techniques, you're still not going to be the best. And that is why even though there's so many of us great pvpers who are "just a bit better than the others", within us there's betters of us.
@Yz
nig im not gonna debate u gtfo this thread plz
cuz you can't.
S_A could beat all laggers, and yet none of you can do shit to me or gala
fail and aids at pvp xD
@ allie i'm on now
@erryone else
this is like comparing an army with today's technology and knowledge with another army that completely dominated it's time back in the day
sure the new one will destroy the old one , but that doesn't mean the old one wasn't the best at it's time
/amimakingsense
no cause you just brought that up cuz u have nothing to say and just want to win go away cancer.
Quote from: Allie on September 16, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
and that's what makes me a better pvper than you overall (without abusing lag).
The actual techniques of the game is what allows you to win. The techniques are what made S_A so great in his time, he knew them and others didn't.
Thanks to expansion, over time everyone started learning them. That is how it turned from one great pvper to a lot of great pvpers. We're all advanced S_A's.
Even if you fail to comprehend this, you are using said techniques. It is natural to not think about it, but refusing to accept that you are is pretty wasteful.
bc is completely different from bots
different stats, laggier than bots
throw that into the equation and obviously you'll have adapted players who cant even compare to the original game, and the original pvpers
not rly
just got to the point of you guys saying i suck, which is why im acting like this now
Voo/Corr/Tok > You two in PvP debating, by so so much...
unban voo bring him here
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
@ allie i'm on now
@erryone else
this is like comparing an army with today's technology and knowledge with another army that completely dominated it's time back in the day
sure the new one will destroy the old one , but that doesn't mean the old one wasn't the best at it's time
/amimakingsense
That's what this thread is about.
Everyone still, to this day, implies that S_A is the best at PvP. He was the best in his time, but that in no way makes him the best now. Maybe if he'd stuck to the game and advanced with the rest of us he'd still play a good match, but right now (not trying to attack him) he wouldn't stand a chance, for we all learned techniques far superior to what was used back in the day,
@Yz
Dunno Voo, Corr sucks at all debates whatsoever, Tok is retarded.
You only say that cause they're on your side tbh lulz. They spew nothing but retardedness.
no i say that because this is you and opti
*Wall of text*
someone disagrees
"You suck at pvp ****ing noob
P.S Opti wrote "So, can we all stop arguing about who is the best? Go in-game and show it to each other."
Now, I am not being ****y, like I said I dont think I'm #1 in pvp
But with your retarded logic, as none of you can beat my lag
Doesn't that mean I'm #1 cuz every time we go in-game I wreck you to shit?
Stop being hypocrites
Quote from: Allie on September 16, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
Quote from: mo9 on September 16, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
@ allie i'm on now
@erryone else
this is like comparing an army with today's technology and knowledge with another army that completely dominated it's time back in the day
sure the new one will destroy the old one , but that doesn't mean the old one wasn't the best at it's time
/amimakingsense
That's what this thread is about.
Everyone still, to this day, implies that S_A is the best at PvP. He was the best in his time, but that in no way makes him the best now. Maybe if he'd stuck to the game and advanced with the rest of us he'd still play a good match, but right now (not trying to attack him) he wouldn't stand a chance, for we all learned techniques far superior to what was used back in the day,
@Yz
Dunno Voo, Corr sucks at all debates whatsoever, Tok is retarded.
You only say that cause they're on your side tbh lulz. They spew nothing but retardedness.
what do we have that bots possibly didn't pvp knowledge wise? since its the basis of your side of the debate
FYI:
S_A had trouble with all types of laggers.
Didn't lose consistently to people like unlt though.
do not see where we did that
yes it would, because if you read my damned posts ud see the "SKILL" factor.
now go away plz your not even arguing you're just spamming and doing personal attacks.
i will start removing your posts if they're not important to the thread at hand, for I don't want this shit locked yet.
@Poke
Techniques and methods have since evolved, S_A was in '07, a time where he was among the only ones who even could even comprehend such techniques that we all understand today. The primary techniques he used back in the day were discovered, built upon, and spread around to induce more pvp. The actual usage of such techniques have evolved aswell as people have learned and utilized them for years.
i dont mean to interrupt u guys
but zom is the best pvper of all time
all time
>said that imo techniques don't matter as much as you think they do
>"tricky you suck"
>i am starting fights on this thread and doing personal attacks
**** this game? ???
I was joking turd.
this is a nice read
Technique is everything in this game. PvP in this game is extremely simple. You can walk, run, jump, guard, trans and shoot a gun. Technique is knowledge that utilizes this simple game of PvP and allows you to best your opponent who has the same restrictions and capabilities as you. If you don't know or can't comprehend the techniques you are using, you are not fully understanding the game, and as such are at a massive disadvantage. This ruins your overall game and disallows you to advance as far as someone who did understand could.
Quote from: Allie on September 16, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
do not see where we did that
yes it would, because if you read my damned posts ud see the "SKILL" factor.
now go away plz your not even arguing you're just spamming and doing personal attacks.
i will start removing your posts if they're not important to the thread at hand, for I don't want this shit locked yet.
@Poke
Techniques and methods have since evolved, S_A was in '07, a time where he was among the only ones who even could even comprehend such techniques that we all understand today. The primary techniques he used back in the day were discovered, built upon, and spread around to induce more pvp. The actual usage of such techniques have evolved aswell as people have learned and utilized them for years.
imho these 'techniques' weren't really built on, but more so give steroids in the form of bc's stats compared to bots. nothing really's changed since bots died, or when s_a quit. Just that his technique was altered and basically had different shitter versions of it spread across the playerbase. ya, since bots was only a year old in 07' he knew more and was skilled so he won a more, but just because everyone knows unorganized chunks of his shit in their own forms doesn't mean it's evolved to a point where his shits being outbeaten. people back then weren't stupid and shit in pvp either, they just lacked his knowledge, which came out in like 08 when corr/voo/everyone else got really good at pvp
Quote from: Optimism on September 16, 2012, 05:39:02 PM
I was joking turd.
but that's spam...
and allie said i cant spam...
Quote from: Yz**** this game? ???
@Allie My "techniques" are just how I play. Playstyle > all
I guess I have techniques I just haven't named >.> THE JUMP ON THE SIGN TECHNIQUE
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I won't debate that, Poke, for you're not wrong at all. However, the techniques used in 07 were only a year old, and were since evolved upon. Since then, everyone has learned their own version of it and allowed others to learn from their own evolution of it. Alone, S_A had his own style. But with everyone taking their own take on this style, pvpers have seen what works and what doesn't, allowing the overall pvp style to evolve.
Do you understand?
Also, taking shower. I'll continue when I'm out.
And @Yz
Your techniques are what make you as a pvper. Recognizing what you do and using your recognition to enable you to further yourself upon that are what will build your strengths up.
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There are just too many, and you are generalizing them (I misunderstood exactly how generalized they were)
So I guess when I run behind the sign then quickly run backwards back out of it and hit the enemy who thinks I'm gonna run the full course around the sign, is counted as a technique .-. Fair enough then.
/dontknowwhatelsewe'rearguingaboutlol
Sleep time bai
hello opti do you remember when i beat you
c:
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 05:46:27 PM
There are just too many, and you are generalizing them (I misunderstood exactly how generalized they were)
So I guess when I run behind the sign then quickly run backwards back out of it and hit the enemy who thinks I'm gonna run the full course around the sign, is counted as a technique .-. Fair enough then.
/dontknowwhatelsewe'rearguingaboutlol
Sleep time bai
Yes it is, and an example of evolution is when you keep getting knocked off and learn not to do it anymore.
That is the basis of my argument.
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then ill agree wit allie solely cuz i havent pvped or seen any footage of s_a play so cant compare to todays folk
but theres not much thats changed from then and now :O
o and im still sticking to my point on the basics of this game and how were complicating and pushing it more than we have to and we all sound stupid even debating it lal
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I don't even know the meaning of some words you used in my own language.
But respect for the time it took you to type this
if we published a book with all of these forum threads, we'd be rich!
drama time
Who's this S_A dude
is he like a hall of famer or something
thought about what i'm arguing for
decided the point i was trying to get across (but failed probly due to how tired i was) was that we will never have another S_A
meaning, back then, we all worshipped S_A as a god of pvp
nowadays we are all competing and we will never have that feeling of "that one guy who pwns everyone without trouble"
People are constantly finding new things. For example Ross figured out the CC glitch (inf combo mob that counters.) a little over a year and a half ago / 2 years ago, and very few people in BC know about this currently due to Ross sharing it to a few select people. ::)
Also S_A, was apparently the best at his time, however things change, and new things are found. Just to note stop fighting over if S_A is better or not. We don't know how good he could be at this time, your comparing the people of 2012 / 2013 soon vs someone who is from 07 / 08. If S_A kept playing or if S_A started playing again he may be better than he was / become better than he was. No one can say if they are better than him or not during this time. ::)
This reminds me, both Tricky and Opti owe me a pvp training session lol.
Quote from: Rossbach on September 16, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
People are constantly finding new things. For example Ross figured out the CC glitch (inf combo mob that counters.) a little over a year and a half ago / 2 years ago, and very few people in BC know about this currently due to Ross sharing it to a few select people. ::)
Also S_A, was apparently the best at his time, however things change, and new things are found. Just to note stop fighting over if S_A is better or not. We don't know how good he could be at this time, your comparing the people of 2012 / 2013 soon vs someone who is from 07 / 08. If S_A kept playing or if S_A started playing again he may be better than he was / become better than he was. No one can say if they are better than him or not during this time. ::)
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
thought about what i'm arguing for
decided the point i was trying to get across (but failed probly due to how tired i was) was that we will never have another S_A
meaning, back then, we all worshipped S_A as a god of pvp
nowadays we are all competing and we will never have that feeling of "that one guy who pwns everyone without trouble"
@hawk I thought i already trainedd you :c
Quote from: Rossbach on September 16, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
People are constantly finding new things. For example Ross figured out the CC glitch (inf combo mob that counters.) a little over a year and a half ago / 2 years ago, and very few people in BC know about this currently due to Ross sharing it to a few select people. ::)
teach me ***
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossbach on September 16, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
People are constantly finding new things. For example Ross figured out the CC glitch (inf combo mob that counters.) a little over a year and a half ago / 2 years ago, and very few people in BC know about this currently due to Ross sharing it to a few select people. ::)
Also S_A, was apparently the best at his time, however things change, and new things are found. Just to note stop fighting over if S_A is better or not. We don't know how good he could be at this time, your comparing the people of 2012 / 2013 soon vs someone who is from 07 / 08. If S_A kept playing or if S_A started playing again he may be better than he was / become better than he was. No one can say if they are better than him or not during this time. ::)
Quote from: Yz on September 16, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
thought about what i'm arguing for
decided the point i was trying to get across (but failed probly due to how tired i was) was that we will never have another S_A
meaning, back then, we all worshipped S_A as a god of pvp
nowadays we are all competing and we will never have that feeling of "that one guy who pwns everyone without trouble"
@hawk I thought i already trainedd you :c
How is that relevant? Ross is just saying how stupid it is to be comparing the people of today to S_A back when he played.
Also Tricky, Ross does agree we will never have someone like that, however you can't be 100% sure, you never know who might show up one day who can even beat Imag, Tricky, Allie, Opti *add 3 more pro people,* vs himself in the same game (7 vs 1) on a "legit map" (flop.) However that is pretty much impossible atm. /vague example but you get the point. ::)
i think i kinda get wats being discussed here
but i dont wanna say anything in case i say something wrong and i sound dumb
Quote from: Corr on September 16, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
S_A will forever be the best in PvP.
Gg.
S_A from our under standing WAS the best, however there is no proof he can and is currently the best. The only way to prove that he still is, would be to have him fight the "good" PvP'ers of today.
Quote from: KillerPig on September 16, 2012, 08:30:09 PM
i think i kinda get wats being discussed here
but i dont wanna say anything in case i say something wrong and i sound dumb
No matter what you say atm it wont make you sound any more stupid then you are believed to be. ::)
Everyone here is a couple notches below from Pvpers in terms of skill/tech/lag/all that other bullshit that fira thinks is right.
We all been spoiled by the OPness and the unbalanced items. That's why nobody here who has played in BOTS!! is as skilled or better than they were before. If anything, we all got worse because the game is so broken.
S_A is the best, replicate what he did in PvP in this game, and you can maybe get to his level.
Quote from: Corr on September 16, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
Everyone here is a couple notches below from Pvpers in terms of skill/tech/lag/all that other bullshit that fira thinks is right.
We all been spoiled by the OPness and the unbalanced items. That's why nobody here who has played in BOTS!! is as skilled or better than they were before. If anything, we all got worse because the game is so broken.
S_A is the best, replicate what he did in PvP in this game, and you can maybe get to his level.
This is a different community. Replicating what he did in BOTS!! is completely irrelevant and is no way to compare ourselves to his level. ::) What Ross is asking for is proof. Proof that S_A > people of today, or that the people of today are > SA.
You can't compare original BOTS to BC, it's like saying +4 172 ram head is better than +4 221 patch arms. You just don't do it.
@tricky ya you trained me once, and then you said you'd train me again after you unrust ( about 2 months ago ).
Quote from: Rossbach on September 16, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Corr on September 16, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
Everyone here is a couple notches below from Pvpers in terms of skill/tech/lag/all that other bullshit that fira thinks is right.
We all been spoiled by the OPness and the unbalanced items. That's why nobody here who has played in BOTS!! is as skilled or better than they were before. If anything, we all got worse because the game is so broken.
S_A is the best, replicate what he did in PvP in this game, and you can maybe get to his level.
This is a different community. Replicating what he did in BOTS!! is completely irrelevant and is no way to compare ourselves to his level. ::) What Ross is asking for is proof. Proof that S_A > people of today, or that the people of today are > SA.
Shittier community (knowledge based) and lack of skill + reaction time that players in this game use is enough.
@Hawk- Pawns just move up 2 spaces once and 1 space for the rest of the game, that's why they're pawns.
Like I said, broken items, broken game, no balance what so ever, no such thing as a fair game. Imo people who've beaten others and vice versa have no say because one of them always had an advantage, whether is it measured as big or small has yet to be debated on. But the match and result itself should be nullified. Therefore, their is no best PvPer in the game and no tier 1, 2, 3 blah. Which means by default history > current time.
Corr, you continue to purport this fallacy, despite information otherwise. I bested Luke (S_A) in his prime. I was no where near my prime during these series of matches. Thus, myself and others have surpassed his top skill level.
Luke seemed "amazing" because of the terrible skill level surrounding him. Lyric_ bested Ornalth in a few series as well. Lyric came here, and we all know how that went.
Dave (Tokxilchaosz) did the same thing with Ornalth (Ornalth was better than everyone ever, blah blah), which was total bullshit. Now you're committing to the same fallacy. Learn2logic.
Also, S_A did NOTHING to advance PVP. I, on the other hand, shared everything I knew. Basically, he was very stingy and didn't care if his title was glorified amongst newbs. As long as he was number one, he didn't care. His true colors showed when he was beat and it became quite obvious why he was keeping to himself for all that time.
ALSO, a little know fact -- Nitex actually bested S_A for several weeks and held his title. I convinced Luke that he was better and had him rematch him to regain the title (this was when Nitex bested me often).
sounds legit
Quote from: komochi on September 17, 2012, 05:09:08 AM
Optimism, I swear to god, I thought I stuck up for you for a reason. Don't make me take it back bro. If you want to keep count of losses and wins against me and you then we can have a tournament to see who's acutally better. Really, I dare you to try that shit again. >.>
http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,1691.0.html (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,1691.0.html)
http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,2118 (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,2118)
http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,2510.0.html (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php/topic,2510.0.html)
OH HOLY **** I DIDNT KNOW U RLY WERE NITEX
Quote from: Ray_Kalm on September 14, 2010, 05:45:01 PM
Nope, I'll beat Optimism in this tournament. Main reason I'm hosting it.
lol
Opti are you ever coming back? If yes, when?
opti: **** bots im gonna go bang my bf
911
yo niggers truth is u are all fighting for stuff that will never happen agen on a game that is dead and on a game that will probably be a secondary project soon and nobody cares
gtfo old***s, ur time is past now
bc will suffer bot's fate :(
admins will focus on the new game (like acclaim did with 9dragons and those shits) and ignore bc :(
Quote from: komochi on September 17, 2012, 07:59:28 AM
You don't even know what's going on..... unless he told you... ._. why do I even bother.. :-\
Stop saying I'm Nitex... you weren't even there and you still judge, so unprofessional on your part... he knows EXACTLY why I'm saying this to him, he know what he did.
I don't have to know what's going on. I read your post and before I looked at who posted it I was like "wdf is nitex back?"
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Imagine, I just want to say that your rush technique is excellent and your trans defense and offense is superb compared to what it used to be. Welcome to the top 4.
Quote from: Optimism on September 17, 2012, 05:13:11 PM| Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain |
Quote from: iwasbobo on September 17, 2012, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: Optimism on September 17, 2012, 05:13:11 PM| Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain |
You don't understand this quote at all.
It's Bruce Lee's quote regarding the middle of combat. It means, Empty your mind, so that you can focus solely on the intricacies of combat.
Quote from: Optimism on September 17, 2012, 05:27:46 PMYou don't understand this quote at all.
It's Bruce Lee's quote regarding the middle of a battle. Empty your mind, so that you can focus solely on the intricacies of combat. Stop quoting my quotes when you have not a clue what they mean.
ooooooooo, defensive are we? xD
it's common knowledge around here that i'm the best, so there's no need to debate it, opti.
Quote from: iwasbobo on September 17, 2012, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: Optimism on September 17, 2012, 05:27:46 PMYou don't understand this quote at all.
It's Bruce Lee's quote regarding the middle of a battle. Empty your mind, so that you can focus solely on the intricacies of combat. Stop quoting my quotes when you have not a clue what they mean.
ooooooooo, defensive are we? xD
it's common knowledge around here that i'm the best, so there's no need to debate it, opti.
*bows*
omg opti answer hawk's question pls !! D:
opti is most likely not coming back because hes gay and doesnt like us anymore :(
When I get a team on MSN to help me make this new background for the Site. My GFX skills blow.
omg not this again
how about you guys brainwash cwas into coming to our side ?
I have a bad feeling...
Where's Izy?
FAK you guys >.<.
Me
Quote from: komochi on September 18, 2012, 02:39:02 AM
@Allie please stop butting your head into my personal conflicts. Wubbs youu. <3
@Opti I'm really sorry for acting that way and thanks for the complement and rank really appricate it your really mature man(unlike me).... really... I was expecting a thrashing from you :-[ :'( :-* :)
You're welcome.
Tricky, since when did you become equally delusional as the idiots over at Bout Evolution? When did you ever beat me in a series of matches? Never. There are multiple instances on this forum and on BE's where you admit that I am better. I've never lost to you in a series of matches, nor anyone for 4+ years, save starscream55 in his prime.
I'm just going to be honest here: We played four matches lag free and you absolutely no idea what you were doing when it came to timing, the meta game or any glitches. That is the undeniable truth; I don't care how hard you try to re-write history or my memory. We BOTH know it to be true, and given your inconsistency with regard to your statements about me, its quite evident that much of what you say simply can't be trusted as fact anyway.
Quote from: Optimism on September 18, 2012, 03:27:45 AMI've never lost to you in a series of matches, nor anyone for 4+ years, save starscream55 in his prime.
and mother ****in' allie, yesterday.
Quote from: Allie on September 18, 2012, 03:33:46 AM
Quote from: Optimism on September 18, 2012, 03:27:45 AMI've never lost to you in a series of matches, nor anyone for 4+ years, save starscream55 in his prime.
and mother ****in' allie, yesterday.
And then I unrusted :P.
Quote from: Optimism on September 18, 2012, 03:27:45 AM
Quote from: komochi on September 18, 2012, 02:39:02 AM
@Allie please stop butting your head into my personal conflicts. Wubbs youu. <3
@Opti I'm really sorry for acting that way and thanks for the complement and rank really appricate it your really mature man(unlike me).... really... I was expecting a thrashing from you :-[ :'( :-* :)
You're welcome.
Tricky, since when did you become equally delusional as the idiots over at Bout Evolution? When did you ever beat me in a series of matches? Never. There are multiple instances on this forum and on BE's where you admit that I am better. I've never lost to you in a series of matches, nor anyone for 4+ years, save starscream55 in his prime.
I'm just going to be honest here: We played four matches lag free and you absolutely no idea what you were doing when it came to timing, the meta game or any glitches. That is the undeniable truth; I don't care how hard you try to re-write history or my memory. We BOTH know it to be true, and given your inconsistency with regard to your statements about me, its quite evident that much of what you say simply can't be trusted as fact anyway.
-always admit you're better than me but you can't beat my lag, trufax check youtube and i have screens
-don't recall that match, if you have proof you're welcome to show it
-it's easy to just say something happened without proof and say "you know it's true"
-i beat you 5051-0 my favor, you know it's true ::)
-why u even talkin smack i didnt say shit lol
tl;dr tricky has proof of at least 6 wins on opti, opti has no proof of any wins on tricky
rusting is a chemical change and cant be undone
no nobody is kidding ur gfx sucks and so does ur background
loool x2
still arguing could someone lock this shit
no let opti know about his background
Quote from: Iridion on September 18, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
no nobody is kidding ur gfx sucks and so does ur background
jk post btw
Get on; we'll go best of 5: TA only.
if im on msn i'm free otherwise you'll have to wait
lol
Quote from: KillerPig on September 18, 2012, 10:02:56 AM
rusting is a chemical change and cant be undone
DAMN, PIG WHIPPIN OUT THE SCIENCE
ye
bill nye isnt dead
WAW OPTIMISM 0 P.I.G 1
Yea, Pig straight up owned him.
Damn, this burn will never heal.
Holy shit I just re-read it and came again.
Smh, how the ****.. I don't even.