TRUTH: Definition:
(1) : the state of being the case : fact
(2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
Fact or reality.
In other words, truth is not defined by human perception. It is FACT AND REALITY.
REALITY cannot vary per individual, and therefore TRUTH cannot either.
BELIEF: Definition:
(1) : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
(2) : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
(3) : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
Trust, tenets or conviction.
In other words, BELIEF is the CONVICTION of TRUTH.
TRUSTS or TENETS can vary per individual, and therefore BELIEF can as well.
TRUTH cannot vary, BELIEF can.
Please consider this before replying to it.
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The amount of harm belief inflicts on humanity: innumerable harm through innumerable beliefs.
Therefore, why not select a belief that applies the progression of a universal moral code (if you inflict no harm, then proceed with your life unhindered)?
So, select a belief not for yourself, but for all of humanity.
Think about this, though (Discounting that a belief in evolution would make me unChristian and such):
Why can't our two sets of evidences point to the same creator?
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Think about this, though (Discounting that a belief in evolution would make me unChristian and such):
Why can't our two sets of evidences point to the same creator?
It cannot, as a creator associated with any religion is impossible. Do you realize the extent of your creator's human ill-contempt? No god can have such qualities. A god, if it does exist, it cannot be this way. It simply isn't possible for me to be more god like than a god. If we are talking of your god, then I am more god like with regard to patience and love towards my fellow human beings.
Read my edit.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 01:31:47 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Think about this, though (Discounting that a belief in evolution would make me unChristian and such):
Why can't our two sets of evidences point to the same creator?
It cannot, as a creator associated with any religion is impossible. Do you realize the extent of your creator's human ill-contempt? No god can have such qualities. A god, if it does exist, it cannot be this way. It simply isn't possible for me to be more god like than a god. If we are talking of your god, then I am more god like with regard to patience and love towards my fellow human beings.
Read my edit.
You cannot say a creator in any form is impossible, merely improbable. (Sorry, language sucks - but we must be precise).
I doubt you are more patient. I don't mean to be rude, but just today you swore at me. Would my God ever swear at me?
And Opti, if my God exists and He is who He says He is, then morality is as He defines it, not as humans define it.
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:35:27 AM
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 01:31:47 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Think about this, though (Discounting that a belief in evolution would make me unChristian and such):
Why can't our two sets of evidences point to the same creator?
It cannot, as a creator associated with any religion is impossible. Do you realize the extent of your creator's human ill-contempt? No god can have such qualities. A god, if it does exist, it cannot be this way. It simply isn't possible for me to be more god like than a god. If we are talking of your god, then I am more god like with regard to patience and love towards my fellow human beings.
Read my edit.
You cannot say a creator in any form is impossible, merely improbable. (Sorry, language sucks - but we must be precise).
I doubt you are more patient. I don't mean to be rude, but just today you swore at me. Would my God ever swear at me?
And Opti, if my God exists and He is who He says He is, then morality is as He defines it, not as humans define it.
Kohlberg's 6th stage of Moral development. Given that your religion is 1 of probably 350,000 to ever exist, do you wish to throw someones life under the bus simply because you may be correct (the .0000000000000000000000000001 percent chance). I can throw this figure out, as there is no evidence your religion provides for validity that another has not in the past. Emotional connection is the only "validity" religion upholds as evidence, or any other for that matter. At this point, they are all equally invalid viewed objectively. So, why **** humanity for a belief that cannot be true, given the tenants of logical contradiction, paradox, etc.?
This is where my logical nature crosses my religious nature, unfortunately.
I would like to simply say, "Well, why not just choose one and stick with it?" But this wishful thinking is intercepted by the reality that religions are mutually exclusive, and therefore they cannot all be true.
Which begs the question, "Which is the most reasonable?"
Well, to be sure, Christianity is one of the more reasonable religions of the world.
Compare it to terrorism-based religions, among others, for example.
There are countless aspects of countless religions to dissect and consider. Who can know?
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:54:22 AM
This is where my logical nature crosses my religious nature, unfortunately.
I would like to simply say, "Well, why not just choose one and stick with it?" But this wishful thinking is intercepted by the reality that religions are mutually exclusive, and therefore they cannot all be true.
Which begs the question, "Which is the most reasonable?"
Well, to be sure, Christianity is one of the more reasonable religions of the world.
Compare it to terrorism-based religions, among others, for example.
There are countless aspects of countless religions to dissect and consider. Who can know?
Logical fallacy: conclusion from ignorance. You've not dabbled in all religions equally; therefore, you are unable to make this claim. The sooner you come to terms with this, the sooner you will become an agnostic. Please, hurry.
You can't know. So stop being a ****ing ***** and choose your life's beliefs based on benefit of others and not yourself.
**** SON.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 02:00:23 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 01:54:22 AM
This is where my logical nature crosses my religious nature, unfortunately.
I would like to simply say, "Well, why not just choose one and stick with it?" But this wishful thinking is intercepted by the reality that religions are mutually exclusive, and therefore they cannot all be true.
Which begs the question, "Which is the most reasonable?"
Well, to be sure, Christianity is one of the more reasonable religions of the world.
Compare it to terrorism-based religions, among others, for example.
There are countless aspects of countless religions to dissect and consider. Who can know?
Logical fallacy: conclusion from ignorance. You've not dabbled in all religions equally; therefore, you are unable to make this claim. The sooner you come to terms with this, the sooner you will become an agnostic. Please, hurry.
You can't know. So stop being a ****ing ***** and choose your life's beliefs based on benefit of others and not yourself.
**** SON.
Did I ever tell you that I worship the ground you walk on?
Kidding
not really
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?
And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?
And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?
Quote from: Lyric_ on February 23, 2011, 02:08:53 AM
Did I ever tell you that I worship the ground you walk on?
Kidding not really
Do you believe that truth is relative or absolute? Why?
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?
And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?
And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?
I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this.
Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?
And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?
And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?
I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. Technically not even atheism can substantiate its beliefs over any other religion. Nearly every "truth" humans know (or think they know) is based on induction. Without perfect induction (http://www.okstate.edu/ag/agedcm4h/academic/aged5980a/5980/Logic/LOGIC/sld012.htm (http://www.okstate.edu/ag/agedcm4h/academic/aged5980a/5980/Logic/LOGIC/sld012.htm)), we can not know anything with absolute certainty. Therefore neither atheism nor any other religion can truthfully claim truth over another. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. Wait, wait wait. Your telling me you objectively viewed ALL religions? You yourself stated that there have been 350,000+ unique religions throughout history. How can you be philosophically certain that atheism substantiates truth over all religions? If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. I 100% agree! Do you have faith that there is no God? Now, do you have evidence? ;) Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this. As if looking into the cosmos and saying, "I know, a magical explosion did it!" is any better?
Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process. You either, my friend.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism.
Opti, no evidence exists to support that God
doesn't exist. This means you cannot believe atheism to be true..
Stop creating multiple topics if they're only extensions of a conversation being carried out in a pre-existing thread.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?
And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?
And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?
I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this.
Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process.
quite there is a prove that god exists lets say everything evolved from the same cell (a old belief a possible truth) then what created that cell i doubt it was the big bang and if so what caused the big bang you see if the universe is infinite means it continues forever which has to start from one point ex 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,etc what created the point doubt it created itself and every thing the very first electron didnt make it self did it? if so you have no proof but i do to make electrons u need something where would u find the something it can be created what would create that thing its God with ability to create things 0,0
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?
And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?
And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?
I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. Technically not even atheism can substantiate its beliefs over any other religion. Nearly every "truth" humans know (or think they know) is based on induction. Without perfect induction (http://www.okstate.edu/ag/agedcm4h/academic/aged5980a/5980/Logic/LOGIC/sld012.htm (http://www.okstate.edu/ag/agedcm4h/academic/aged5980a/5980/Logic/LOGIC/sld012.htm)), we can not know anything with absolute certainty. Therefore neither atheism nor any other religion can truthfully claim truth over another. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. Wait, wait wait. Your telling me you objectively viewed ALL religions? You yourself stated that there have been 350,000+ unique religions throughout history. How can you be philosophically certain that atheism substantiates truth over all religions? If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. I 100% agree! Do you have faith that there is no God? Now, do you have evidence? ;) Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this. As if looking into the cosmos and saying, "I know, a magical explosion did it!" is any better?
Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process. You either, my friend.
Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism.
Opti, no evidence exists to support that God doesn't exist. This means you cannot believe atheism to be true..
Atheism is not a belief, its simply a rejection of religious dogma (belief) based on the fact that NO evidence has been proposed to substantiate ANY religion.
Extraordinary claims require, yet again, extraordinary evidence. If you cannot provide this evidence, then I may dismiss your beliefs in the same manner -- without evidence. The burden of proof relies on yourself and others making the same absurd claims with the absence of any substantiating factors.
The burden of proof has been placed on yourself immediately after you've made this claim of "truth". Prove it. I don't have to disprove it, as proving a negative is an impossibility (we've gone over this).
A caller has proof of Creationism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbt0yIW6nT4#)
When I state "objectively viewing religion", this means that no religion has made a proposition that can differentiate itself from any other so much as to enable "my religion being dominant over your own". They are all the same. They all utilize the same points to establish "validity". All religion. If this isn't true, then how specifically, is your religion different from all other religions as so much to claim faith in it? Once you realize your claim in faith within a sole religion is simply for comfort measures, we can continue this discussion.
Lol, Opti, atheism is a religion. Your quite subjective if you really think otherwise.
Quote from: Xrow on February 25, 2011, 10:43:28 PM
Lol, Opti, atheism is a religion. Your quite subjective if you really think otherwise.
LOL. Atheism is nothing like religious dogma. I'm not expected to go to church, pray to something or even commit to tithe. Nor do I adhere to a strict over-seeing body (the Vatican -- if catholic). Nor does atheism impose some skewed moral authority over a single individual or multiple individuals. The list goes on and on.
Dogmatic religion vs. Atheism.
Are you ****ing serious? LOL.
9th straw man in this thread. Congrats.
1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.
2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion
-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.
-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!
-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.
3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.
You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.
Quote from: Xrow on February 25, 2011, 11:44:09 PM
1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.
2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion
-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Wrong.
-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!
Humanism is not atheism
-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
Wrong again.
Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.
3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.
You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.
Your definition complies with EXACTLY what I stated. Are you ****ing blind? Moreover, if somehow, the religious definition did not line up exactly with my statement, WHICH IT DOES, are you that out of touch with reality to not accept that statement as truth? You are nuts bro.
I don't worship scientists nor great thinkers. Atheism is not a moral code. Wow bro, you are just completely lost here. LOL.
Quote from: Optimism on February 25, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: Xrow on February 25, 2011, 11:44:09 PM
1. I didn't say dogmatic religion, retard. I said religion. Stop making assumptions.
2. None of the attributes you just ascribed to a religion adhere to the definition of a religion.
RELIGION: Definition:
(1) : a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs
(2) : a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion
-Atheism is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Wrong.
As is every other religion: Atheism is a religion.
Wrong, close-minded.
-You are a humanist, therefore you DO have a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - you were just lecturing me about how poor you believe mine is! You are more religious than me in this aspect of religion!
Humanism is not atheism
Still validates that your religion is indeed a religion.
Wrong, stubborn.
-Atheism is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
Wrong again.
Of really? Then what is it?
Suck it. You should have looked up the definition of religion before debating on it.
3. To refute your argument:
Your church is a science classroom/lab.
You may not pray to God, but you practically worship "great" scientists and atheist/adeist "thinkers."
Atheism DOES impose a skewed moral code over an individual, that individual being yourself - you pursue morals that YOU believe to be correct, instead of morals an omniscient God ordains. Your "morals" are no better - merely more postmodern.
You just made a fool of yourself. Good job bud.
Your definition complies with EXACTLY what I stated. I must be ****ing retarded. True. Moreover, if somehow, the religious definition did not line up exactly with my statement, WHICH IT DOES, are you that out of touch with reality to not accept that statement as truth? You are nuts bro.
I don't worship scientists nor great thinkers. Either you are sadly disillusioned, or you fail to understand the meaning of worship as expressed in this context. Atheism is not a moral code. Then neither is Christianity. Wow bro, you are just completely lost here. LOL.
The more I learn, the less intelligent you get. Sad.
Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.
Understand this, and you won't draw such idiotic conclusions about Atheism (the LACK OF BELIEF IN CLAIMS THAT SUPPORT A GOD).
Atheism has nothing to do with religion, as it rejects religion. We are completely free from any tangible/made-up being.
Free to do whatever we wish without any over-seen restraint from an invisible man in the sky (no constraining book either). This couldn't be more clear.
That fact that your definition of religion validated my previous post didn't hurt either, lol.
Quote from: Optimism on February 26, 2011, 12:55:04 AM
Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.
LOL?
There are not two types of belief, Opti. If there are, you are the only one that
believes in them.
Quote from: Xrow on February 26, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
Quote from: Optimism on February 26, 2011, 12:55:04 AM
Remember, King, there are two types of beliefs -- those founded on observation and that which requires a leap of faith.
LOL?
There are not two types of belief, Opti. If there are, you are the only one that believes in them.
Expectation (what you consider a form of belief) and belief. We've gone over this -- the two vary drastically.