[Allie]

Surge > patch, but surge does not have the ability to trans against a patch, and a patch has its upper spam.

[sw10268]

if u haz skill, upper spam can be avoided.

[Optimism]

Patch vs Surge = ?

I haven't really tested yet. Similar to ram, I'm assuming it will take an upper tier player behind the control to be effective against a surge; however, this does mean, if I am effective, the game is balanced. Newbs simply must become better XD.

[Iridion]

its not some kind of rule that everyone needs to have different bot types in pvp
there is a bot with an advantage in pvp, whats so bad about it?

[Optimism]

its not some kind of rule that everyone needs to have different bot types in pvp
there is a bot with an advantage in pvp, whats so bad about it?

This is true, I suppose. For instance, 4v4 base, against 4 rams with charge=instant loss.

[Cornhl]

This is true, I suppose. For instance, 4v4 base, against 4 rams with charge=instant loss.

BS. I was 'an HxC(HAWDC0AR)' Patch baser.. Rams were the easiest to take out, especially when they went trans.. So easy to upper push even if all 4 of them are at the base.. There be a delay time after the 4th hit.

[InternetPedo]

BS. I was 'an HxC(HAWDC0AR)' Patch baser.. Rams were the easiest to take out, especially when they went trans.. So easy to upper push even if all 4 of them are at the base.. There be a delay time after the 4th hit.

Exactly, me + Jew + Umak/Exxeh + Corr (Team /Camp) with two patches and two surges - The patches (usually me/Jew) would destroy any transformed opponents due to between 0 and 50 TD (sometimes one TD flag + TA set, other times full TA) damage against us while our TA would dish out 200-300 on their trans. The surges were then free to push mercs or attack the enemies base while the retarded rams got destroyed by patches.

[Cornhl]

Exactly, me + Jew + Umak/Exxeh + Corr (Team /Camp) with two patches and two surges - The patches (usually me/Jew) would destroy any transformed opponents due to between 0 and 50 TD (sometimes one TD flag + TA set, other times full TA) damage against us while our TA would dish out 200-300 on their trans. The surges were then free to push mercs or attack the enemies base while the retarded rams got destroyed by patches.

But that's because we made the best BvB team . Most surges are fricking retarded and are just like VROOM VROOM JUMP SPAM!!!!

[Optimism]

BS. I was 'an HxC(HAWDC0AR)' Patch baser.. Rams were the easiest to take out, especially when they went trans.. So easy to upper push even if all 4 of them are at the base.. There be a delay time after the 4th hit.

Well, vs. giga, hulk pulki and one other, 4 rams rap3d.

4 rams that knew what they were doing, that is.

Its a rule of thumb that most rams are complete newbs...so you were probably confusing my 3 with some rando ram newbs...

[Cornhl]

Well, vs. giga, hulk pulki and one other, 4 rams rap3d.

4 rams that knew what they were doing, that is.

Its a rule of thumb that most rams are complete newbs...so you were probably confusing my 3 with some rando ram newbs...

No, we could beat them. Done it plenty..
50-50 honestly.. >.>
And rams only have trans.. Nothing else.

[Optimism]

No, we could beat them. Done it plenty..
50-50 honestly.. >.>
And rams only have trans.. Nothing else.

False :/.

[Cornhl]

False :/.

The whole 2 times you based with us, riet? >_>
Srsly gtfo if you weren't there.
Giga was the only exceedingly good baser out of the people you listed >_> .
Pulk and hulk were meh.. Hulk never beat me in a 1v1 base for the record >_>.. Ever.

[Optimism]

The whole 2 times you based with us, riet? >_>
Srsly gtfo if you weren't there.
Giga was the only exceedingly good baser out of the people you listed >_> .
Pulk and hulk were meh.. Hulk never beat me in a 1v1 base for the record >_>.. Ever.

Hulk was easily one of the best basers. Giga abused TD...guy woulda lost his 5 lives twice as fast if not for this fact. I don't even consider him top 5 ;/.

Lyfe, davey relapse, sparkz, ext. I saw these guys rap3 "the best basers" ;/.

Pulk wasn't even good...just a TD abuser and random spam.

I played with Umak, yourself, hulk, giga, pulk, ext...

My opinion is objectively based, although, it is still an opinion.

[Cornhl]

Hulk was easily one of the best basers. Giga abused TD...guy woulda lost his 5 lives twice as fast if not for this fact. I don't even consider him top 5 ;/.

Lyfe, davey relapse, sparkz, ext. I saw these guys rap3 "the best basers" ;/.

Pulk wasn't even good...just a TD abuser and random spam.

I played with Umak, yourself, hulk, giga, pulk, ext...

My opinion is objectively based, although, it is still an opinion.

>_> Hulky is a 6/10 imo.
There's best basers I've seen are : Giga, Lyfe, Lone, Exxar, and S_A.
Giga usually used a lv 40 and raped high levels including all of the ones you named.. He had 0 competition.

[Jonathan]

I <3 Hulk, but he was better in team base matches. When it comes to one on one, generally, whoever has better PvP skills or knows how to strategize will win. JEWRIC, I wanna play you. :\