Quote from: Optimism on February 23, 2011, 11:51:41 AM

Quote from: Xrow on February 23, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
Can you really say, COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY speaking, that Christianity is not one of the more reasonable beliefs of the world?

And is that why you decided to disbelieve Christianity? Because someone said you were being a ***** and told you to stop allowing a God that doesn't exist to control your life?


And Opti, Christianity is the single largest religion in the world. If the majority of religious followers (yes, I am counting atheism - even though it hurts my illustration) believe in a common morality.. Then should that not be the morality that everyone pursues? What makes yours right and Christianity's wrong?

I stopped believing in Christianity simply because no religion can substantiate truth over the other. I objectively viewed all and honestly found no reason to continue believing in a single religion, as all religions are simply absurd. If evidence cannot be provided for something, I will not believe it to be true, thus, atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in those ways of life who have yet to provide evidence (burden of proof). Faith is not evidence. Looking into the cosmos and not understanding how it all came to be and then say god did it is not evidence. I can discredit each without taking a second glance because of this.

Don't allow Logical Fallacy to pervade your thought process.

quite there is a prove that god exists lets say everything evolved from the same cell (a old belief a possible truth) then what created  that cell i doubt it was the big bang  and if so what caused the big bang you see if the universe is infinite means it continues forever which has to start from one point ex 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,etc what created the point doubt it created itself and every thing the very first electron didnt make it self did it? if so you have no proof but i do to make electrons u need something where would u find  the something it can be created what would create that thing its God with ability to create things 0,0

Quote from: Optimism on February 25, 2011, 11:53:22 AM

Quote from: koolwolf2 on February 25, 2011, 11:38:49 AM

Quote from: Optimism on February 25, 2011, 11:26:48 AM

Quote from: Xrow on February 25, 2011, 02:09:10 AM

Quote from: Optimism on February 24, 2011, 11:08:47 PM

Quote from: Xrow on February 24, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Opti, we grasp what you mean.
Your just wrong.
Lol.

You don't grasp the concept, as this is universally accepted within the philosophical community. Proponents assigned to "god" disallow your free will if that god is considered all knowing. It is a paradox. There is nothing wrong about it. You don't understand the concept.

Allie's example clearly demonstrates her lack of understanding of the concept.

First of all, who are you to say what I do or do not understand?
Secondly, I see no evidence or reason behind the statement that it is "universally accepted within the philosophical community."
Thirdly, I have already LOGICALLY EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY FREE WILL IN THE PRESENCE OF OMNISCIENCE IS NOT ONLY PLAUSIBLE, BUT IS ACTUAL. You and Kelvin have just restated your single illogical argument over and over. Use your f**king brain.

You've never given a "logical explanation" for why this is plausible, as it is not.

he did not but i did 0,0 admit it u gave no proof that god does control us he might know that i will do something but doesn't effect it 0,0

I've already stated that in the absence of an all-powerful and all-knowing being, then free will, is indeed possible.

He may not directly affect what seems to be a choice, but if he knows the exact choice you make, then you never had a choice in the first place.

A paradox.

it might be just like anticipation he knows what will u do but u did have a choice which u think doesn't exist there is a choice just that he anticipates your choice depending on your first choice like when your a baby 0,0 pwned

granted but your but dies 0,0

i wish to be immortal 0,0

Quote from: Optimism on February 25, 2011, 11:26:48 AM

Quote from: Xrow on February 25, 2011, 02:09:10 AM

Quote from: Optimism on February 24, 2011, 11:08:47 PM

Quote from: Xrow on February 24, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Opti, we grasp what you mean.
Your just wrong.
Lol.

You don't grasp the concept, as this is universally accepted within the philosophical community. Proponents assigned to "god" disallow your free will if that god is considered all knowing. It is a paradox. There is nothing wrong about it. You don't understand the concept.

Allie's example clearly demonstrates her lack of understanding of the concept.

First of all, who are you to say what I do or do not understand?
Secondly, I see no evidence or reason behind the statement that it is "universally accepted within the philosophical community."
Thirdly, I have already LOGICALLY EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY FREE WILL IN THE PRESENCE OF OMNISCIENCE IS NOT ONLY PLAUSIBLE, BUT IS ACTUAL. You and Kelvin have just restated your single illogical argument over and over. Use your f**king brain.

You've never given a "logical explanation" for why this is plausible, as it is not.

he did not but i did 0,0 admit it u gave no proof that god does control us he might know that i will do something but doesn't effect it 0,0

so am looking into neutral views between Opti and Xrow i go with Xrow

opti says if gods exists and knows what are u gonna do thus proving u have no free will

xrow says god exists  he knows what are u gonna do but that doesnt effect ur choices

let me try to act up here xD

well if god does know what are u going to do next before u do it doesnt need to prove that u have no free will

lets go back to the start ex when ur born does god tell u to cry or keep silent

choices are made like a fork in a road/river

each fork leads to another one

god knows which ur gonna take

but he doesnt do anything  about it, why would you have no free will?

like the silent observer It (cant call god a gender) knows what will happen but doesnt alert u proving that u had free will its like letting someone make a mistake just to learn from it

Quote from: Optimism on February 24, 2011, 01:13:09 AM
You pick up a hamburger and are deciding the following:

To eat it or not to eat it or to not eat it and feed it to your seeing eye dog.

I, Tyler am secretly god and know exactly what you are going to do, as I sit beside of you as a friend. I watch you think intensely about what you are going to do. I snicker to myself knowing exactly what you are going to do, given I am all knowing and all powerful -- I know you will feed it to your dog.

Sure enough, 15 rough minutes later, while you sat there deciding, you feed it to your dog. You think you have free will, while I know that you do not, as I understand and KNOW what choice you will make before it is made.

Free will?

NAWP.

It knows but doesnt do anything u have free will unless u talk to god 24/7 which i doubt but if u argue with this if u do talk to god and he tells u : you will jump of the bridge so you dont, trying to proving him wrong while he actually knows you will not jump just making u think that he knows you are going to jump thus proving u have no free will while this doesnt happen am with xrow

free will+absolute truth is possible u lost Opti 0,0

Who do u think is better in pvp patch/ram/surge wondering i need people with exp to help me  

Quote from: Shadow on February 25, 2011, 10:13:03 AM
^ I know right haha.  I don't think he even knew what he was saying.

what happens if i am there when he said that:

unban my account or i wont play anymore.

ans=i dont care your the one who is gonna lose your acc then *lol my life out*

Quote from: Shadow on February 25, 2011, 10:12:12 AM

Quote from: koolwolf2 on February 25, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
we should tell red to ban his ip of the forum i think he is going to spam 0,0

Quote from: GavinGill on February 24, 2011, 08:11:19 PM
Shut up and get off the internet.

He'll have his IP banned if he breaks the rules again I'm sure.

i dont know if he gets I.P banned i know that he is gonna get banned

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Quote from: raviol on February 23, 2011, 12:56:44 AM
hey guys, some days ago I created my account, and suddenly i joined a sever with a hacker and well i leveled up a bit, and I got some coins so, then suddenly a guy named "SoSoba88" when i was playing he told me "TAKE OFF YOUR WINGS AND GIVE THEM TO ME" i told him NO, buy them, he said he didn't want to play too much to get coins, so i told him, WELL LOOK FOR A HACK MAN, MY COINS ARE FOR MYSELF, and then he told me GIVE ME THE FLAGS OR I'LL BAN YOU, and well I denied giving the flags to him and no I got banned without reason, unban my account or i wont play anymore.

I had to login to point that out. I lol'd.

Noticed that. LOLOLOL

Quote from: Shadow on February 24, 2011, 09:21:21 PM
Haha that's epic "unban my account or I wont play anymore" your banned so you cant play anymore anyways .

LOOOLED every time i see that sentence xD

we should tell red to ban his ip of the forum i think he is going to spam 0,0

Quote from: GavinGill on February 24, 2011, 08:11:19 PM
Shut up and get off the internet.

Quote from: thematic on February 24, 2011, 05:44:13 AM
does message "you have failed to connect in 5 seconds" have something with it?

wrote more in bugs section

maybe but most probably 0,0

Quote from: koolwolf2 on February 24, 2011, 07:10:50 AM
shouldn't you guys close the server or something for maintenance ?

i think gm santa closed the server lets hope it gets fixed

not really i got more boxes without lucky aura it might be  because the more u kill the more u get not sure though

shouldn't you guys close the server or something for maintenance ?

but am not vista or windows 7 0,0 i will see what can i do thanks anyway