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So what do we think should happen to Rage? While evidence does POINT towards her scamming, I don't think anything could be proven base on her side of the story. And while it was rather fishy, I think she should get a 30-90 day ban. Especially with all she does for the community, with her races and other giveaways, I find it hard to believe she was scamming everyone to get those prizes that she was handing out.

My vote is for 30 day ban, but what do you guys think? I want to hear other views...

We are still investigating. It's really confusing, probably one of the most confusing cases or we could just be stupid and not notice something.

Idk  =/
I Know that she scammed me , but i would give her 30 day ban If she would back to ma items  :-\
Anyways thats back to the staff members

Who's rage.

I dunno

I don't know who Rage is or the situation at all. Can you fill me in?

People still scam?

She should just be locked until the admins find the bottom of this lol

Quote from: Reviax on December 09, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
I don't know who Rage is or the situation at all. Can you fill me in?

http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=48576.0 (http://boutcheetah.zylongaming.com/index.php?topic=48576.0)

Quote from: Reviax on December 09, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
I don't know who Rage is or the situation at all. Can you fill me in?

From what I understand from the thread, this is a brief summary.

Allie found that some scammed accounts had last been used by the same IP as -Rage-, and traded items over to the -Rage- account, making it seem as though -Rage- is an obvious scammer. -Rage- says it must have been someone else in the 'hotel' she lives in who is on the same IP.

Quote from: Cooky on December 09, 2013, 01:24:07 AM
From what I understand from the thread, this is a brief summary.

Allie found that some scammed accounts had last been used by the same IP as -Rage-, and traded items over to the -Rage- account, making it seem as though -Rage- is an obvious scammer. -Rage- says it must have been someone else in the 'hotel' she lives in who is on the same IP.

pretty much.
cmon guys, is this in anyway believable.
especially considering the part you missed out, where that "person" from the hotel gave the scammed account to -rage-, not just the items but the account itself.
And that "person" does not own an account of their own. So, supposedly, said person who may or may not know -rage- irl chose to join the game, scam an account, and give it to -rage- without playing themselves.
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Quote from: Cooky on December 09, 2013, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: Reviax on December 09, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
I don't know who Rage is or the situation at all. Can you fill me in?

From what I understand from the thread, this is a brief summary.

Allie found that some scammed accounts had last been used by the same IP as -Rage-, and traded items over to the -Rage- account, making it seem as though -Rage- is an obvious scammer. -Rage- says it must have been someone else in the 'hotel' she lives in who is on the same IP.

I read over the topic that Bombz linked me to. And what I think is... This is a planned out scam that was made so Rage could scam without getting permanently banned for it. I don't think this person cares in the slightest if they get a 30 day ban. Actually, it would only benefit her. Rage waits 30 days and walks away with the items/money. If there's going to be any sort of ban, it must be permanent.

I think there are two possibilities.
1) Rage tells us there are people in the hotel that play BC and they did the scamming. Where's the proof though? How do we actually know there are people in the hotel that play BC? Rage scammed and is trying to cover it up with a lie.

2) Let's say other people in the hotel actually do play BC. Rage sells her S4league (or whatever its called) account in exchange for items on BC that were scammed. If this person is giving EVERYTHING they scammed to Rage then I think it's safe to assume that they plan on quitting BC and wanted the account for a game they'll be playing from now on. So in other words, that person couldn't care less about what happens to Rage after. They have their account for S4league so they're happy with it. If this is the scenario (which it probably isn't, but it's just one of my guesses) then that means Rage was framed and nothing more than a victim. However, then another problem arises because that's a real world trade...

Quote from: Reviax on December 09, 2013, 02:21:59 AM

Quote from: Cooky on December 09, 2013, 01:24:07 AM

Quote from: Reviax on December 09, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
I don't know who Rage is or the situation at all. Can you fill me in?

From what I understand from the thread, this is a brief summary.

Allie found that some scammed accounts had last been used by the same IP as -Rage-, and traded items over to the -Rage- account, making it seem as though -Rage- is an obvious scammer. -Rage- says it must have been someone else in the 'hotel' she lives in who is on the same IP.

I read over the topic that Bombz linked me to. And what I think is... This is a planned out scam that was made so Rage could scam without getting permanently banned for it. I don't think this person cares in the slightest if they get a 30 day ban. Actually, it would only benefit her. Rage waits 30 days and walks away with the items/money. If there's going to be any sort of ban, it must be permanent.

I think there are two possibilities.
1) Rage tells us there are people in the hotel that play BC and they did the scamming. Where's the proof though? How do we actually know there are people in the hotel that play BC? Rage scammed and is trying to cover it up with a lie.

2) Let's say other people in the hotel actually do play BC. Rage sells her S4league (or whatever its called) account in exchange for items on BC that were scammed. If this person is giving EVERYTHING they scammed to Rage then I think it's safe to assume that they plan on quitting BC and wanted the account for a game they'll be playing from now on. So in other words, that person couldn't care less about what happens to Rage after. They have their account for S4league so they're happy with it. If this is the scenario (which it probably isn't, but it's just one of my guesses) then that means Rage was framed and nothing more than a victim. However, then another problem arises because that's a real world trade...

I still feel #2 is closer to the truth. And trading an acc for another game isn't real world trading...

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 05:15:16 PMI still feel #2 is closer to the truth. And trading an acc for another game isn't real world trading...

?
So I can start trying to trade all my BC stuff for anything on another MOG and there's no issue with it?

Quote from: Reviax on December 10, 2013, 05:23:24 PM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 05:15:16 PMI still feel #2 is closer to the truth. And trading an acc for another game isn't real world trading...

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So I can start trying to trade all my BC stuff for anything on another MOG and there's no issue with it?

Correct. Another online game isn't considered "real world"

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Correct. Another online game isn't considered "real world"

I believe Admin Santa said otherwise a week or 2 ago

Quote from: daluzman123 on December 09, 2013, 01:16:32 AM
People still scam?

it will never stop johnny

Quote from: Cooky on December 10, 2013, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Correct. Another online game isn't considered "real world"

I believe Admin Santa said otherwise a week or 2 ago

Oh...but Allie said....nvm

Allie, can you look into this and determine once and for all wether there's enough evidence to keep rage banned?

I think im changing my vote to unlock her idk

Idk peeps, she wouldn't scam and like I know her very well!!! in general

Someone hacked or something guys to get rage perm locked, I swear!!!   :(

Quote from: Thornz on December 08, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Especially with all she does for the community, with her races and other giveaways

This doesn't change the punishment, for example if cooky hacked he would still get perm banned even tho he does a lot of events.

Back on topic, i think she was lying about the story. First denying about knowing anything about the scam, then after different questions slowly revealing a story about others in the hotel who play bc and scammed to do a realworld trade. Not something i would believe without good proof.

lol you got scammed.

ban her

Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on December 10, 2013, 08:32:34 PM

Quote from: Thornz on December 08, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Especially with all she does for the community, with her races and other giveaways

This doesn't change the punishment, for example if cooky hacked he would still get perm banned even tho he does a lot of events.

Back on topic, i think she was lying about the story. First denying about knowing anything about the scam, then after different questions slowly revealing a story about others in the hotel who play bc and scammed to do a realworld trade. Not something i would believe without good proof.

Like I said, I'd just like some more evidence. Wether it condemns her or saves her from the ban hammer.....

i voted for unlock. all hail rage.

i vote for perm ban. i don't belive her story and prolly mr scorpion wasn't the first one scammed

community has spoken..   :-X

(http://puu.sh/5IMSr.jpg)

Quote from: Cooky on December 10, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
community has spoken..   :-X

(http://puu.sh/5IMSr.jpg)

It's a good thing the admins take the opinion of the community into account when making decisions about specific players ::)

May i ask how the people got scammed?

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Are you people who are on Rage's side literally retarded? Her story was the worst cover up I have ever seen. Ten year old children have come up with more believable stories. People say "I know her she is really nice and gives items in events she would never scam!" but you probably do not really know her. Everyone has an internet persona and a real life persona. She is not worth all the time and effort.

Or another solution could be to tell her that if she returns (not sure if she already did) all the scammed items, then she will only be banned for 30 days. Then ban her permanently.

Personally, I don't believe her story one bit. BUT I'm willing to give her te benefit of the doubt until Allie makes an official decision. Rage has always been very nice, and that's the only reason I'm still seeig if there's te slightest chance she's actually telling the truth. No matter how retarded her story sounds ::)

how did she scam?

Quote from: -Speedy- on December 10, 2013, 10:46:56 PM
how did she scam?

Made accs with names of ppl on the trusted seller list that hadn't been updated....

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 10:57:10 PM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 10:45:50 PM

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Are you people who are on Rage's side literally retarded? Her story was the worst cover up I have ever seen. Ten year old children have come up with more believable stories. People say "I know her she is really nice and gives items in events she would never scam!" but you probably do not really know her. Everyone has an internet persona and a real life persona. She is not worth all the time and effort.

Or another solution could be to tell her that if she returns (not sure if she already did) all the scammed items, then she will only be banned for 30 days. Then ban her permanently.

Personally, I don't believe her story one bit. BUT I'm willing to give her te benefit of the doubt until Allie makes an official decision. Rage has always been very nice, and that's the only reason I'm still seeig if there's te slightest chance she's actually telling the truth. No matter how retarded her story sounds ::)

Opinion based off your experiences with her through the internet.

GAWD FOR THE LAST TIME, I'M NOT SAYING TO UNBAN HER CAUSE SHE'S #!@&$ NICE!!!!

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 11:00:28 PM

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 10:57:10 PM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 10:45:50 PM

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Are you people who are on Rage's side literally retarded? Her story was the worst cover up I have ever seen. Ten year old children have come up with more believable stories. People say "I know her she is really nice and gives items in events she would never scam!" but you probably do not really know her. Everyone has an internet persona and a real life persona. She is not worth all the time and effort.

Or another solution could be to tell her that if she returns (not sure if she already did) all the scammed items, then she will only be banned for 30 days. Then ban her permanently.

Personally, I don't believe her story one bit. BUT I'm willing to give her te benefit of the doubt until Allie makes an official decision. Rage has always been very nice, and that's the only reason I'm still seeig if there's te slightest chance she's actually telling the truth. No matter how retarded her story sounds ::)

Opinion based off your experiences with her through the internet.

GAWD FOR THE LAST TIME, I'M NOT SAYING TO UNBAN HER CAUSE SHE'S #!@&$ NICE!!!!

Ofc not.

Quote from: Thornz on December 07, 2013, 01:29:22 AM
Can GMs/Admins check marketplace logs? Cause I accidently bought a 100m ice-bot from rage's shop XP

Anyways, keep her banned.  ::)

@nanak

-deep breath-  ok, I see what you meant. Lol

@ross

That's not why I want her unbanned. She already paid me back in items ::)

I don't even want her unbanned necessarily. I just want more evidence....

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
@nanak

-deep breath-  ok, I see what you meant. Lol

@ross

That's not why I want her unbanned. She already paid me back in items ::)

I don't even want her unbanned necessarily. I just want more evidence....

What Rage needs is more evidence actually. Allie has logs of all this happening, this is is enough evidence to perm ban her. Her defense to this story is something that is basically impossible. What is next? Every scammer uses this same exact defense even though they can't properly prove it with evidence, and because of the slight 1/1000000000000000000000000000billion chance it is true it means every scammer would get away with it?  ::)

I think we should just give her a 365 day ban (or 366, leap year  ;D) instead of perm  :o  :o  :o

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
Another solution could be to ban her for 3 months and then monitor her. And if she even scams 1mil gigas the she gets perm banned.

I guess that's a solution. It keeps bugging me that she prolly is te one that scanner my 80m tho....

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 11, 2013, 12:14:01 AM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 11:52:34 PM

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
Another solution could be to ban her for 3 months and then monitor her. And if she even scams 1mil gigas the she gets perm banned.

I guess that's a solution. It keeps bugging me that she prolly is te one that scanner my 80m tho....

I think she should be able to keep her account but nothing on it. So she will have her level and same account but no items, gigas coins etc. I am only suggesting this because I am putting myself in her shoes and (although she did scam a lot), it sucks to be PERM banned from any game regardless of that fact. If everyone gets their items back, then it should be fine giving her a 3month ban and letting her keep her account with nothing on it.

Yeah

A perm ban is too harsh  :P

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 11, 2013, 12:14:01 AM

Quote from: Thornz on December 10, 2013, 11:52:34 PM

Quote from: nanak tatum on December 10, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
Another solution could be to ban her for 3 months and then monitor her. And if she even scams 1mil gigas the she gets perm banned.

I guess that's a solution. It keeps bugging me that she prolly is te one that scanner my 80m tho....

I think she should be able to keep her account but nothing on it. So she will have her level and same account but no items, gigas coins etc. I am only suggesting this because I am putting myself in her shoes and (although she did scam a lot), it sucks to be PERM banned from any game regardless of that fact. If everyone gets their items back, then it should be fine giving her a 3month ban and letting her keep her account with nothing on it.

+1
(she should be able to keep her MetoWings and DM...)

-Rage- has been unlocked, with all rares, gigas and coins stripped.
Be happy I've decided to unlock you - hope to see you in-game.

Rage got unlocked , I Wona meet her in the game  ::)

Its awesome that she's unlocked

but with this:

Quote from: Allie on December 11, 2013, 06:05:14 AM
with all rares, gigas and coins stripped.

I think she quits

lol

i can't understand why no1 got scammed when rage was banned  ::)

Quote from: Bombz on December 11, 2013, 10:09:42 AM
Its awesome that she's unlocked

but with this:

Quote from: Allie on December 11, 2013, 06:05:14 AM
with all rares, gigas and coins stripped.

I think she quits

lol

Only an immature brat would quit if that happened, she's most likely grateful her account was unlocked.

Quote from: Allie on December 11, 2013, 06:05:14 AM
-Rage- has been unlocked, with all rares, gigas and coins stripped.
Be happy I've decided to unlock you - hope to see you in-game.

congrats

Quote from: Zain123456 on December 11, 2013, 08:55:59 AM
Rage got unlocked , I Wona meet her in the game  ::)

why? you already done enough trouble don't you think?, this all setuation is all because of you, so you are going to talk to her and make some more trouble?
I know you and i know that's what you're gonna do, every dingle thing that had a slight of trouble, you go and make it worse..

anyway Thanks for believing Rage and unbanning her, if no proofs on both sides then taking her stuff will be an enough punishment (although i don't think she has needed her stuff taking anyway) but you are keeping her Perm stuff right? (DM, MW, DK)

Quote from: mygodZzZ on December 11, 2013, 07:57:10 PM

Quote from: Zain123456 on December 11, 2013, 08:55:59 AM
Rage got unlocked , I Wona meet her in the game  ::)

why? you already done enough trouble don't you think?, this all setuation is all because of you, so you are going to talk to her and make some more trouble?
I know you and i know that's what you're gonna do, every dingle thing that had a slight of trouble, you go and make it worse..

anyway Thanks for believing Rage and unbanning her, if no proofs on both sides then taking her stuff will be an enough punishment (although i don't think she has needed her stuff taking anyway) but you are keeping her Perm stuff right? (DM, MW, DK)

Lol im not gonna make trouble with her
And why u r so annoying , Cant u just leave me alone  :-\

Quote from: mygodZzZ on December 11, 2013, 07:57:10 PM
anyway Thanks for believing Rage and unbanning her, if no proofs on both sides then taking her stuff will be an enough punishment (although i don't think she has needed her stuff taking anyway) but you are keeping her Perm stuff right? (DM, MW, DK)

I have zero faith in -rage-. I believe she did it and I believe she's a bad liar.
So I stripped every rare that's not an untradeable item. I believe she's a scammer, and I hope she's learned from her mistakes, and thus with such a harsh punishment is able to skip the ban and continue playing without making the same mistakes.