Quote from: Allie on September 08, 2012, 12:14:53 PM
The situation in question (regarding inappropriate names) is a decision that we've gone by for years, however only recently have been strictly enforcing. Given this, we are fine with you guys talking amongst yourselves, but if it's going to be a serious thread regarding the situation, than I expect all seriousness.

The thread which was locked was spammed by people who took it as a joke. As the thread itself was a rant, and everyone in the thread was taking such rant a joke, it is not worth my or anyone's time to bother argue about it. Any logical person rightfully understands why such precautions to inappropriate names are taken, and I can't agree more on each and every one of our censors. Our censors are not an opinion.

I met a seven year old playing BoutCheetah yesterday. He's level 221 and he's been playing for months. Have you ever heard a seven year old in real life who curses and knows everything about sex already? I have, but I'm not going to support teaching it to them in my game, for one less of those kinds of kids, and one more of an actually productive child is more beneficial (as well as better for the reputation) to (of) our game.


I want to say that I am uninterested in debating you on anything you're about to reply to this statement, and I just wanted to get my reasoning towards you. Judging by your posts, I can already see that you're going to ramble on about anything and everything tangent to my actual post at hand. I hope to see you enjoying our game just like the rest of us in the meantime.

I wanted to make this topic because I was frustrated with the way things were handled in that situation, and I saw that this kind of thing wasn't exactly uncommon. I wanted to see if this was a community that I could actually be a part of. But...

> everyone in the thread was taking such rant a joke, it is not worth my or anyone's time to bother argue about it.

Not being able to differentiate between a thread or different posters' views on issues with the issues themselves...

>Any logical person rightfully understands why such precautions to inappropriate names are taken, and I can't agree more on each and every one of our censors.

Branding everyone who disagrees with you as illogical...

>Our censors are not an opinion.

Arrogance that is just plain wrong...

>I want to say that I am uninterested in debating you on anything you're about to reply to this statement, and I just wanted to get my reasoning towards you. Judging by your posts, I can already see that you're going to ramble on about anything and everything tangent to my actual post at hand.

Being a massive ****...

I'd say no. I'd say that I could not deal with the moderation being so petty, immature, and just plain mean for me to be invested in any sort of community.

Your stance on whether or not there should be a name filter is an opinion, like it or not. Being able to codify that opinion does not make it valid and does not provide any justification for your argument. Any logical person understands that they need to back up there points with evidence and logic, not just say that they are correct. People in the thread did care for a long while, and no matter how much you'd like to pretend that every single post was spam and that no one was taking anything seriously but the OP, there's actual evidence in the posts themselves that show that this is demonstrably wrong.

You did not want for me to understand your "reasoning". The only thing that you provided in that regard was, "I'm right because I'm right, and we don't want more of THOSE kids around," which is pretty bereft of logic...

You wanted to be petty. You wanted to insult me, assert your power over me, then leave before I could reply. No, I don't think you're professional and that you have the community in mind at all.

You are an asshole.

Most of these posts, correct me if I'm wrong, have the justification of, "We can do whatever we want, and we will, and you won't change our minds." If you want to run your game like that, feel free. But I do not feel like it is an environment particularly open to community involvement or friendly to it.

Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
To sum up my answer for this entire thing, whether you agree with it or not, it was locked for a good reason in our eyes and if it was me I would have done the same thing. We don't really HAVE to give our reason for locking it to you, but we saw the thread as a dead spam thread. Also, yes Ian said the thread was for debating, mods aren't here to debate with you. I think you guys need to read each others posts before you try and correct mine...

My points are not intrinsically tied to his. They are not legitimized or debunked based on what he says. Our posts, positions, and points, while similar, are not the same.

Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
Is it not common sense to label posts like "i think pig should be censored because vegetarians might find offensive" or "Selene should be censored too because it's the name of a porn star" as mocking, as useless, as stupid?
Is it not common sense that their reasons are stupid and can't be taken into consideration?
You said that I labeled the whole thread because of a  few posts, yet more than half of the thread was filled with posts like those.

They're mocking, yeah. Useless? At a certain point, when multiple people just used those comparisons as the sole content of their posts. Stupid? 100%.

But woah, woah, woah. They're reasons are stupid? Stop right there, mate. Their reasoning was that offense is subjective, and that's solid. It should be taken into consideration, and I argue that it is one of the stronger arguments against this decision.


Last edit. I felt as if I should reply to everyone who responded to me, because I'm OCD like that. ^_^

Quote from: Yz on September 08, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
The "trolling" that was happening still contributed, but at the same time was just an opening for hundreds of useless replies. The arguments were on-topic but were crammed with off-topic statements that would just lure other people into arguing with the off-topic stuff.. plus like I said the debate was basically just everyone saying "we dont want this we dont want that". That's not rly a debate.

It was not a debate thread. No mod debated with us. It was a feedback thread. And what do you mean, it would lure people into arguing with the off-topic, stuff? It was clear what they were trying to do...

Quote from: hawk5005 on September 08, 2012, 07:21:55 AM

Quote from: Corr on September 08, 2012, 02:00:29 AMMods lock threads for 2 reasons:

1. They can't debate with the player base so they need to get the last word by locking.
2. They're power hungry.
3. Their is no reason for said thread.

Yup, 2 reasons.
That thread was a rant transformed into a joke by people like you.
I gave a final warning to everyone to stop mocking the thread, but you continued to reply in the same way.
Why would the thread not be locked?
People like you would keep replying with stupid reasons only to look cool, stupid reasons that wouldn't be taken into consideration, making the whole thread spam.

You're directing all this at me, why, I don't know. I directed it on you because after my warning killerpig stopped, instead you continued posting in the same way.

Because you're a mod, and it's your job to be able to access the situation and react accordingly. Labeling those posts as mocking the thread, saying that those reasons were stupid and that they were posted only to look cool, saying that a few posts makes a whole thread spam, saying that those reasons wouldn't be taken into consideration when you have yet to address why the reasons are flawed...

I don't think this is a good showing that you can do that.

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Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
We're aware of that... and the majority of us didn't respond because it had nothing to do with us. You're generalizing, and that's not really fair >.>

Be more specific. What are you aware of, and what had nothing to do with "us"? I don't know who you're referring to. And how am I generalizing?

Quote from: hawk5005 on September 07, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
That whole thread was one big joke.
Nobody took it seriously and it was only being spammed by people mocking it.
Before Allie locked it, I gave a final warning to everyone to stop taking the thread as a joke, they continued so Allie locked it.
In the end Corr was the reason the thread was locked, not us.

That's demonstrably wrong. People DID take a seriously. It was only at the end that people got a little crazy with their comparisons being the sole content of their posts. In fact, I remember you saying that people should not "transform it" into a joke. I admit that the posts after yours were a bit iffy, and I could see people being banned or given warning or whatever system of demerits you have going around here, but locking the topic just seems strange to me.

Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 03:08:36 PM
Too many points for just one topic that got prematurely locked.

People may debate all they want, but the thread was overrun by trolling and arguments. Corr was arguing with Allie about something that really couldnt be argued against because it was a troll-argument, he couldn't be punished by that, everyone else who was 'spamming' was still contributing to a degree.

The thread gets locked when it looks lost, there were like 5+ people ruining the thread and no one seemed to really care at that point. It was pretty much completely discussed by page 3-4 >_>

Well, this wasn't just about that topic, although that was the example that was clear, because being new here, I have to go by what the community says and old forum topics for my broader point. I'd like my points to really be addressed. Buuuut because I can't help myself sometimes...

The last ten posts or so were joke comparisons to show that offense is subjective and all that good stuff. The bulk of the thread was filled with real opinions submitted fairly respectfully. A post saying, "Okay, we get it, let's get back on topic" would have been sufficient, but instead, "This topic isn't worthy of discussion". Overkill isn't a strong enough word for this situation. There wasn't any real interaction or debate involved from the modstaff. There was, "Tits is block, sorry". And, "These words have been added to the list", but no one really stopped to talk to the players at all to justify why there even had to be a block list, and their points were ignored. And in any case, that doesn't nullify the point that even if the administration just didn't care about what we thought and didn't want to talk to us about it, this is a rants and feedback forum, and you have to expect that when you go there, especially in a thread focused on a decision that few seem to support, you're going to have people who are less than pleased.

Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 02:45:12 PM
I'll just reply to one segment of your post, since the rest of it is up to Allie, not me.

You think we should just make decisions that the players wanted? We'd make the most well-liked player a staff member, who wouldn't do anything. Our events would give our the best items, and we wouldn't have any rules... we'd do things that are dumb :/ We make decisions that are best for the game, not for the playerbase specifically.

I understand not always pandering to players. That's why I said that there's not a good justification. In my mind, generally speaking, players should have a bit of power of the games that they play, at least collectively, and when it comes to decisions like this that are basically about the community and the environment of it, I should think that the people who make up that community and mold the environment how they like would be an important voice.

This really is an issue about philosophy, about what players find important and what they'd rather give up to have something else versus...what the administration thinks is important and what they'd rather give up on their behalf. It's rather baffling to me. It's not like this is a G environment. People swear in games all the time, playful banter is somewhat vulgar, and things like that. When you have an environment like that, it doesn't make sense to try to do things to limit it, not in that way, or limit it without that community having much sway in how it's limited or knowing why it should be limited in detail when that community seems to not want to be limited in that way.

And what's more, this is an entirely different type of situation than one influencing gameplay, where people might not know by default or might not be experienced enough to determine what is best for the game in that particular situation. This is an entirely different beast.

Last edit, I swear on me mother's grave.

Quote from: KillerPig on September 07, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
everyone makes that mistake selene. sometimes if i read too fast ill mix shit up like that too lol

@topic
imma go ahead and make a guess and say theres an issue with ur graphics card

What kind of issue?

Quote from: Yz on September 07, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
People weren't just stating their opinions. They were bashing a choice that was made and was absolutely final, all you were going to hear was "this is stupid I disagree with this" >_>

Why is it a final choice? Why is it so inflexible when it was met with such contempt and derision? If all you were going to hear was that, why did you make the decision? I can't see what's wrong with debating something or even bitching about it. That seems to be what this section of the forums is here for. I CAN see what's wrong with making a decision that no one is defending but the moderation, who refuse to discuss the matter and just say "done". But even if you didn't want to debate it, there's no real reason to close it. This isn't a debate forum, this is a rants and feedback forum. If you want to complain about people giving bad feedback, don't make decisions that no one likes. I think that's the purpose of one of these things, right? Players talk about things they don't like so that the administration can take a look what what the players want.

I don't understand why this decision was made if the players don't like it. I mean, we're the ones who are going to be playing it, and there hasn't been a real justification for this, no explanation to why this is needed so badly that you can go against the majority on this issue, but EVEN ignoring that, there's no real justification for closing the topic because everyone would bitch about it, because that's what this forum is FOR.

Quote from: Xx Itz Ian on September 07, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
i know it was being spammed, i won't call names *cough* Killerpig *Cough* but i still think the players also have rights to open their mind and clear that up in a post, by locking it you do not give me that chance, i think it would be better to warn the users that where spamming and if continued they should be given the warned status / or get a ban.

the point of the thread was pretty clear and those "Trolls" where showing how dumb the name thing acctually is.
also i said there was no rule against the names which is probertly another reason to delete the name filter.

Well, it's pretty much that. Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean that you should. I'm not arguing that the decision to institute a filter is wrong and damaging inherently, but the justification for locking that thread when it was clear that people did have objections to what happened and virtually no one in the thread supported it was pretty...petty sounding. Like this man up here says, why not ban people instead of preventing people from discussing things that the community cares about? Why, if the community cares about something enough to debate about it and think that it's ridiculous would it be locked and someone say that debate was over so quickly?

The point is that, I'm closing this because this isn't worthy of debate, I've made up my mind, thread locked...is a horrible thing to say if you want to build up something with your playerbase. If, Sorry, decisions final - locked". I still would have been pretty annoyed, but it would have at least been BETTER.

I haven't been here but a few weeks, but I've heard things. I've heard that you guys are good at business. I've heard that you guys are fairly professional. I've heard that you guys let me buy items. Okay, sounds cool. I'm glad this game is in the hands of people who can do it up right. But...I saw something today that was not cool.

Someone locked the name change thread because it didn't need to be debated, in their opinion. Excuse me? Obviously, more than a few people thought it was a ridiculous thing that should never been an issue. Acting like that? Bam. You have trivialized the concerns of some members of your community and shut down debate because of your own personal opinion. Guess what you just damaged?

It really is a minor thing, but looking back a lot of of threads here and elsewhere, I see that certain people don't seem to think that certain members of the staff have great attitudes (from one thread in particular that's in this forum, the mod who locked the thread), I see that many forums are dead,  and I have had to search in here for information that I think should have been available to me somewhere along the line very clearly.

It kills me, because I love the previous incarnation of this game, I think that as far as business goes, people seem to think you're doing the right things, but when it comes to what would really turn this whole package from good to great, a good relationship with your base, it does not seem like you have it. From my impression, it does not seem like people want to have it with you. I get that the playerbase is pretty ass sometimes. I play with them, you know? But...really?

Anyone...?

On startup, I can hear the music for the login screen, but I can't see anything. Help?