[Optimism]

This is more f*ckin awesome than factual. But then, it's also true:
Winning creationist argument (Print the bible on them):

Humans are by far the dominant species on the modern planet.
And we are rapidly depopulating the earth of the rest of it's species.
A species becomes extinct every 20 minutes.
In 300 years, half of all species will be extinct.
So, in about 475 years, all species, besides humans, will be extinct.
And apparently nothing happens to them when they die, huh?
What happens when humans kill each other and no life is left except a couple of bushes?
Then what? -.-
Then another big bang occurs and bacteria magically comes to existence and uses something it doesn't have to make more and more complicated bacteria that can't possibly be made with the nothingness it has at hand?
Then they turn into...?
A fish?
Then a monkey?
Then a person?
Then they die and become a tree?
Then the tree gets cut down and is printed as a Bible?
Then people are brought to Christ as a result.


Fact..
There used to be less species..

During dinosaur times, there were LESS species that there are now, and DIFFERENT species than there are now.
Unless that one-in-a-few-thousand-billion chance of a beneficial mutation occured MULTIPLE times, AND SOMEHOW STUCK TO A SPECIE'S GENOME, none of what now exists could be in existence.


Reasoning... (By the way, I made Allie contradict herself. Then I recall her defending her contradiction. /Sigh.):
Make them contradict themselves:

-Them:  "Evolution:  The process by which a species gains what is needs to survive."
-Me:  "Then why do we have planes?  Where are our wings?"
-Them:  "Planes are a luxury for travel, not a necessity."
-Me:  "Well, if "evolution" is 'gaining what is needed to survive,' Then why DO we have planes?  We don't NEED them, therefore the ability and knowledge to make them shouldn't have been "evolved."


Fact....
Mutations:

There are no half-"evolved" species, and there are 0 beneficial mutations. If there were beneficial mutations, there is virtually no chance that that mutation would get passed on to the mutated being's offspring, resulting in the loss of that single beneficial mutation..


Facts AND reasoning based on studies and logic:
The Giraffe and Bombadeer Beetle account:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRcOxCczzus
"The currently existing animals shown in this video had to have all parts of their body at the same time to have the ability to exist without dying."
Therefore, if "evolution" were correct, the giraffe would not exist. Why? Because evolution occurs over time and parts would have been added over time. This means that they would not have had all the necessary parts at the same time, resulting in the animals almost immediate death and then it's extinction.



/Sigh

Reading this, its blatantly obvious that you are far under-educated regarding this subject matter. You are merely brushing the surface of complexities you've yet to be taught//understand. I can take this no further with you because you will simply repeat the same statements with your erroneous mindset.

[Jeffalo13]

Reading this, its blatantly obvious that you are far under-educated regarding this subject matter. You are merely brushing the surface of complexities you've yet to be taught//understand. I can take this no further with you because you will simply repeat the same statements with your erroneous mindset.

Dude, how have you read the last umpteen posts of Xrow?  They've been paragraphs; you must really be invested in this >_>.

[Kevin]

Why the ****....

[Xrow]

Sigh, okay Opti.
I don't understand your level of thinking.

This debate is over, we're lost causes.


By the way, everyone, me and Opti have had this debate going for three years or more.
We're still good friends.

[Kevin]

I understand then.

[Optimism]

Sigh, okay Opti.
I don't understand your level of thinking.

This debate is over, we're lost causes.


By the way, everyone, me and Opti have had this debate going for three years or more.
We're still good friends.

Indeed .

[Xrow]

[GavinGill]

A fish?
Then a monkey?
Then a person?
Then they die and become a tree?
Then the tree gets cut down and is printed as a Bible?
Then people are brought to Christ as a result.

Since when do Christians beleive in reincarnation? :3

-Them:  "Evolution:  The process by which a species gains what is needs to survive."
-Me:  "Then why do we have planes?  Where are our wings?"

Evolution ≠ magic.

The process of growing wings involves death, magic, and a halo.

cwutididthar? :3

Facts AND reasoning based on studies and logic:
The Giraffe and Bombadeer Beetle account:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRcOxCczzus
"The currently existing animals shown in this video had to have all parts of their body at the same time to have the ability to exist without dying."
Therefore, if "evolution" were correct, the giraffe would not exist. Why? Because evolution occurs over time and parts would have been added over time. This means that they would not have had all the necessary parts at the same time, resulting in the animals almost immediate death and then it's extinction.

Giraffes came in two varieties: those born with the short neck trait and and those with the long necks trait. Nothing really needed to be "added on", the long-necked ones had everything they needed to survive which is why they're still here. The short-necked ones died. This filtration process continues with each generation until the trait for short necks is eventually eliminated from the gene pool. I'd assume there'd be other small variations with each birth and there would continue to be such variations for many years to come. Some of these variations would either be lost the same way the short neck trait was while other would live on and eventually become dominant and be passed on. Those small variations continue for many, many years until we have the modern giraffe. Because of these new variations/traits that continued to be eliminated or added to the gene pool, we now have a giraffe that's quite different than what we started with. Therefore, it has evolved.

Now obviously I could have worded it better but you should be able to understand it.

[Xrow]

We believe that Christ reincarnated duhh :p Therefore we believe in it.

And I know "evolution" =/= Magic, but you get the point of the argument I made?


Stop tryna prolong this debate dangit!
Just share the love like me and Opti :3.
Psh

[GavinGill]

We believe that Christ reincarnated duhh :p Therefore we believe in it.

LIES! Jesus was resurrected, not reincarnated.

[Polar Bear]

I join?
k

[Mihax]

LIES! Jesus was resurrected, not reincarnated.

Gavin pooned you there, and he's not even Christian. SHAME KINGEH, SHAME! 

[Jeffalo13]

Gavin pooned you there, and he's not even Christian. SHAME KINGEH, SHAME! 

Ya, he was Jewish.

[GavinGill]

Ya, he was Jewish.

Neither. I dont really identify myself with a certain religion, just accept the small possibility of the existence of God. The way I see it, if there is no afterlife and God doesn't exist, I have nothing to worry about. I'd be too dead to care. If God does exist, I have nothing to worry about as long as I dont make an effort to inconvenience/hurt society and I stay within my "moral limits."
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... from this sole argument I cannot conclude anything further than that it is probable that an intelligent and superior being has skillfully prepared and fashioned the matter. I cannot conclude from that alone that this being has made matter out of nothing and that he is infinite in every sense.

The theory of a Christian-Judaic God would not allow for human life to have fallen to the standard that it is at today. A teleological being is far more feasible, due to it's non omni-benevolent approach.

Two randoms quotes to ponder.

@ second quote: Woo for Tupac.

[Xrow]

LIES! Jesus was resurrected, not reincarnated.

We also believe 'Anything is possible with God.'
We believe Jesus is God.
Therefore, we must believe in reincarnation and whatever other word you want to beat me over the head with, because anything's possible. So there :3

...JEW