I'm only going to reply to this with a little debate because you said some things as if they are facts, but they aren't, they're opinions - all of which I respect, and I appreciate your input Ice.
Quote from: RAUDOG on November 04, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
as you know the first Gil wiped wipeout did not even work properly
What do you define as "a guild wipe working properly"? For the first 6 months after the guild wipe, there were so many active guilds..
Here's a list of guilds that were actively playing the game within the first 6 months of our guild wipe in 2012, which will honestly make todays competition look sad.
-Game Kings
-Silence
-Redemption
-Sunshine
-Sympathy
-Utopia
-Sanctuary
-Anarchy
-ZeaL
-rKr
-Genesis
-Legend.
-Schism
-Disdain
-~StarZ~
-Even LiL Optis
And to a degree, SevenSeeds, PnPnP, and SynsationalWolfs. Also, I know I'm missing some.
Where did all this competition go? The statistics are there. BoutCheetah's most active and competitive point in time was after the last guild wipe, besides beta. As far as I know, the last guild wipe worked as intended.
Quote from: RAUDOG on November 04, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
instead of gills having 30 to 40 members it dropped to 20 didn't none of us like that now you want to drop it to 10 people in a Guild.
We have less than 30 players on at a time, the reason I was able to list so many guilds up there ^ was because enough players were split up into their own guilds. More guilds, more alliances, more events, more competition. Win-win.
Quote from: RAUDOG on November 04, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
too many people have been working very hard, with there own events, and there hard earned money
Understood, it's a shame. But really, how many people are working hard with their events right now? Next to none. The game has truly stagnated.
Quote from: RAUDOG on November 04, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
It's unfair to do a Guild wipe at this time, just as it was unfair last time. It's un professional it this takes place
Agreed. There's very little fairness to it, which is why we're seeking the approval of the playerbase before we make such a move. However, ultimately, fair or not and as stated earlier, it's the easiest quick fix to breathe life into the game again. The active playerbase that cares about guilds is so laughably low at the moment.
Still, this is only a concept and if it were to happen it wouldn't be for a long time - currently it's extremely unlikely.
But I can't stress enough - please look at the list above. That list is not an exaggeration, and those were all English guilds apart from sunshine - think of all the foreign ingame only guilds that never posted on the forums...
and today... we're left with Silence and a bit of SoSa. Can't really get worse than this.
One more reason to do another wipe is to properly rework and balance GP gains - doing it now at this point is impossible.
When it comes down to it, you care about the time and effort put into your guilds, but when you consider the health, balance and liveliness of the game, the guild wipe has way more ups than downs.